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2019 Celtics Offseason Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2019 17:51:04 GMT -5
I'd go after Randle, I'm just trying to predict what the Celtics will do. I've heard nothing regarding them and Randle and I've never heard of them linked to him for whatever reason.... The idea of cap space is what four days old? I've seen one report saying Vuc would be a guy, like what have you seen? You could be right. I’ve seen him (Vuc) named from serval different sources but you never know if it’s a piggy back source thing. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2019 17:52:09 GMT -5
I think some of your concerns are fair, but I also think you’re underestimating how much of an impact the NCAA’s archaic rubles have on talented players. When you combine the closer 3-point line with the lack of defensive 3 seconds, there’s essentially zero room in the paint for athletic players to operate. There’s a reason Jaylen looked so underwhelming in college but his athleticism was instantly noticeable once he got to the league. Hope you are right... he was a charge machine in college - partly bc of what you said and partly bc that spin move was very predictable. He will certainly learn from that tho |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2019 17:54:21 GMT -5
Just thinking out loud, but what would it take to get a Cousins? Like he's not a max guy right now, not even close. Certainly not my first choice, but you need options and skill wise he's a great fit. Like does he take a four year 80 million deal? I feel like Cousins should be a guy, but how hung up are they on the good guy culture they just drafted? Brooks Lopez is probably a guy we will see them linked to, like it or not. I really wouldn't want to risk that Culture, yet I want no part of guys like Lopez either. You'd almost be better off using the cap space to acquire assets than paying big money to guys like Lopez. Like if you were going to do that, why not just pay Horford? With Cousins you could be getting a true difference maker. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2019 17:59:09 GMT -5
Randle is not going to happen. Cousins would be interesting if they could get him on a short-term deal, but my guess is he ends up back in GS. I’m curious how much of a pay cut Tremont Waters will take going from LSU to a late 2nd rounder. Why on Randle? If Cousins goes back to the Warriors he can only make around 6-7 million. They have no way of paying him more than 120% of last year's salary. Waters will make less on a two way contract, but slightly more on the minimum. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2019 18:29:09 GMT -5
I feel like Cousins should be a guy, but how hung up are they on the good guy culture they just drafted? Brooks Lopez is probably a guy we will see them linked to, like it or not. I really wouldn't want to risk that Culture, yet I want no part of guys like Lopez either. You'd almost be better off using the cap space to acquire assets than paying big money to guys like Lopez. Like if you were going to do that, why not just pay Horford? With Cousins you could be getting a true difference maker. I’m assuming Lopez is fairly cheap... like maybe 10m per territory. Also, was just speculating. Lopez is a good player tho and can stretch the floor. He’s not great but he’s a good rotation piece at a position of need. Word is Horford is leaving not over money but even if that’s not true there’s a difference between giving Horford 4/100 and Lopez 3/36 or even 3/45 on the high end. He could even go for less than that.... he made very little last year. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2019 19:25:04 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 21, 2019 20:04:05 GMT -5
Markel Fultz for Jason Tatum and Romeo Langford... who won the deal In less than 2 years, Fultz went from a guy that was traded for Tatum and a lottery pick to a guy that was traded for Jonathon freaking Simmons and filler picks. That's unbelievably unreal. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 21, 2019 22:15:48 GMT -5
Tacko was pretty impressive against Zion in the tournament, at least in the first half.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 22, 2019 6:44:46 GMT -5
Tacky Fall signed summer league contract with Celtics... i like that move - might as well I had to look up the new summer league contract rules. Confusing stuff, but gives them a shot to make some money with a sign on bonus attached. Not much, but hey better than what they were getting (nothing) in the past. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 22, 2019 6:47:16 GMT -5
Randle is not going to happen. Cousins would be interesting if they could get him on a short-term deal, but my guess is he ends up back in GS. I’m curious how much of a pay cut Tremont Waters will take going from LSU to a late 2nd rounder. I'm at the opposite end of this WCP3. I felt like if Cousins was going to happen, it would have already happened by now. The Celtics inquired on Randle in the past, I'm almost positive remembering. With Horford gone, it adds to the Celtics going after him harder. Add- If the Celtics can find a better player that is this young and talented, I'd be all for them going after another player. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 22, 2019 7:02:09 GMT -5
If you can't land Vucevic, Randle, or Cousins in free agency, then Kanter is probably the best option at a mid level exception kind of thing or whatever it's called these days. The Celtics shied away from him though last year. They had a chance to get him but opted not to get him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2019 7:14:49 GMT -5
I really wouldn't want to risk that Culture, yet I want no part of guys like Lopez either. You'd almost be better off using the cap space to acquire assets than paying big money to guys like Lopez. Like if you were going to do that, why not just pay Horford? With Cousins you could be getting a true difference maker. I’m assuming Lopez is fairly cheap... like maybe 10m per territory. Also, was just speculating. Lopez is a good player tho and can stretch the floor. He’s not great but he’s a good rotation piece at a position of need. Word is Horford is leaving not over money but even if that’s not true there’s a difference between giving Horford 4/100 and Lopez 3/36 or even 3/45 on the high end. He could even go for less than that.... he made very little last year. I'm looking at the Bucks trading a first round pick to open up 19 million in cap space which everyone is saying so they can resign him. Rumors he's a Lakers target if they can't get a max guy or max space. I think he gets paid, unless he takes a lower level deal to chase a Championship. Which is our problem, we have to beat every team in offers to get a guy like him. No thanks on a guy like him that is older. Like I want a true impact player or frankly I would just use my cap space to get more assets. Teams are going crazy right now. Yet I get the feeling I will be disappointed and Danny will do just what your saying. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2019 7:20:15 GMT -5
I’m assuming Lopez is fairly cheap... like maybe 10m per territory. Also, was just speculating. Lopez is a good player tho and can stretch the floor. He’s not great but he’s a good rotation piece at a position of need. Word is Horford is leaving not over money but even if that’s not true there’s a difference between giving Horford 4/100 and Lopez 3/36 or even 3/45 on the high end. He could even go for less than that.... he made very little last year. I'm looking at the Bucks trading a first round pick to open up 19 million in cap space which everyone is saying so they can resign him. Rumors he's a Lakers target if they can't get a max guy or max space. I think he gets paid, unless he takes a lower level deal to chase a Championship. Which is our problem, we have to beat every team in offers to get a guy like him. No thanks on a guy like him that is older. Like I want a true impact player or frankly I would just use my cap space to get more assets. Teams are going crazy right now. Yet I get the feeling I will be disappointed and Danny will do just what your saying. I agree and that’s one option of how they can go, but another is getting more salary trade fodder in addition to useful players. Right now their salaries are such that you have Hayward and Smart with any significant type money. You’re going to add Brown to that group too. If they can’t get what they want having 2 other guys who make in the 10-15m range plus Rozier gives you real salary options to include in deals. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2019 7:34:30 GMT -5
With so many free agents, money will run out quickly. So if you can't get the big guys, Danny better wait the market out and get some good deals at the minimum. I'd still target younger guys like Vonleh though. I want all three guys from the Smart draft that I liked in Smart, Randle and Vonleh. He's ready to break out.😁
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2019 8:34:05 GMT -5
With so many free agents, money will run out quickly. So if you can't get the big guys, Danny better wait the market out and get some good deals at the minimum. I'd still target younger guys like Vonleh though. I want all three guys from the Smart draft that I liked in Smart, Randle and Vonleh. He's ready to break out.😁 Noah looked good last year and he’s a local kid |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2019 9:18:17 GMT -5
Not sure if hes a one year wonder but hes young enough to suggest it's just a step forward in development. So I'll bring up Thomas Bryant again.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 22, 2019 12:48:26 GMT -5
With so many free agents, money will run out quickly. So if you can't get the big guys, Danny better wait the market out and get some good deals at the minimum. I'd still target younger guys like Vonleh though. I want all three guys from the Smart draft that I liked in Smart, Randle and Vonleh. He's ready to break out.😁 I don't think we need to bargain shop since the problem with the roster isn't depth, but a lack of imediate impact talent. How many guys do you think we should add? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2019 12:58:19 GMT -5
With so many free agents, money will run out quickly. So if you can't get the big guys, Danny better wait the market out and get some good deals at the minimum. I'd still target younger guys like Vonleh though. I want all three guys from the Smart draft that I liked in Smart, Randle and Vonleh. He's ready to break out.😁 I don't think we need to bargain shop since the problem with the roster isn't depth, but a lack of imediate impact talent. How many guys do you think we should add? They need 1 legitimate big and other 1 or 2 serviceable ones depending on whether they renounce Theis... my guess is if they are bargain shopping then it makes no sense to renounce Theis. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2019 13:21:05 GMT -5
With so many free agents, money will run out quickly. So if you can't get the big guys, Danny better wait the market out and get some good deals at the minimum. I'd still target younger guys like Vonleh though. I want all three guys from the Smart draft that I liked in Smart, Randle and Vonleh. He's ready to break out.😁 I don't think we need to bargain shop since the problem with the roster isn't depth, but a lack of imediate impact talent. How many guys do you think we should add? I don't want to bargain shop I want Randle and I'd be stupid and give him the full max if that's what it took. Would hope like four years 80 million did it though. He's my target, after him it gets harder. I just don't want day one you're paying role players top of the market deals. Like if you can't get the elite guys, let the market play out and pick up bargains, while using your space to acquire assets. I'd say your looking for a center who can shoot or score in the post and two PFs at this point. With one PF who can play small ball center and shoot, hopefully Randle. Like either get an impactful player or get depth hopefully younger players with upside like Vonleh and Bryant, plus more assets. Just trying to be flexible because out of my targets I don't think we stand a great chance at a bunch of them. Wait the market out and some good players will take a lot less. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 22, 2019 13:23:09 GMT -5
They need 1 legitimate big and other 1 or 2 serviceable ones depending on whether they renounce Theis... my guess is if they are bargain shopping then it makes no sense to renounce Theis. Yeah, that's kind of how I look at it too. They need a big, a backup big and a PG. Ideally they'd find one legit player out of that group and get 2 cheap ones to fill the other roles. I don't think we need to bargain shop since the problem with the roster isn't depth, but a lack of imediate impact talent. How many guys do you think we should add? I don't want to bargain shop I want Randle and I'd be stupid and give him the full max if that's what it took. Would hope like four years 80 million did it though. He's my target, after him it gets harder. I just don't want day one you're paying role players top of the market deals. Like if you can't get the elite guys, let the market play out and pick up bargains, while using your space to acquire assets. I'd say your looking for a center who can shoot or score in the post and two PFs at this point. With one PF who can play small ball center and shoot, hopefully Randle. Like either get an impactful player or get depth hopefully younger players with upside like Vonleh and Bryant, plus more assets. Just trying to be flexible because out of my targets I don't think we stand a great chance at a bunch of them. Wait the market out and some good players will take a lot less. Randle would be flat out awesome. It's too quiet on that front though, it makes me question if Danny and/or Brad like him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2019 9:43:37 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2019 9:47:40 GMT -5
They need 1 legitimate big and other 1 or 2 serviceable ones depending on whether they renounce Theis... my guess is if they are bargain shopping then it makes no sense to renounce Theis. Yeah, that's kind of how I look at it too. They need a big, a backup big and a PG. Ideally they'd find one legit player out of that group and get 2 cheap ones to fill the other roles. I don't want to bargain shop I want Randle and I'd be stupid and give him the full max if that's what it took. Would hope like four years 80 million did it though. He's my target, after him it gets harder. I just don't want day one you're paying role players top of the market deals. Like if you can't get the elite guys, let the market play out and pick up bargains, while using your space to acquire assets. I'd say your looking for a center who can shoot or score in the post and two PFs at this point. With one PF who can play small ball center and shoot, hopefully Randle. Like either get an impactful player or get depth hopefully younger players with upside like Vonleh and Bryant, plus more assets. Just trying to be flexible because out of my targets I don't think we stand a great chance at a bunch of them. Wait the market out and some good players will take a lot less. Randle would be flat out awesome. It's too quiet on that front though, it makes me question if Danny and/or Brad like him. I don't see that as a negative as we only have one report on Vuc being one option and we know Danny has a bunch more. No reason to give teams information they can use against you. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 23, 2019 11:09:19 GMT -5
Willie Cauley-Stein's agent is coming out and telling the world that Willie doesn't want back with the Kings, he's a another great guy to go after. He's really young still.
Add- Steven Adams is looking like a trade candidate too.
The Celtics should land someone. There's just too many options for them to screw this one up.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2019 15:15:21 GMT -5
What is WCS role? Like he was supposed to be a great defensive center, but that just never happened. He has very little offensive game. Unless you think Robert Williams is useless I don't see the fit and I really wanted too.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2019 20:17:34 GMT -5
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