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Post by ianrs on Jul 10, 2019 12:08:19 GMT -5
That's great news. I feared they were going to hang onto him just for the possibility of a trade. Wonder if Tacko gets that spot? Or Tre moved to roster, Tacko gets the two way instead? Maybe they also like Green enough to try to keep him instead? |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 10, 2019 12:10:23 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Jul 10, 2019 13:36:46 GMT -5
Yabu and Thornburg released in the same day. The hype to output ratio was huge for each.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 10, 2019 17:02:35 GMT -5
Honestly, I never really got the Yabu pick in the first place and kept waiting for him to show something to prove Danny right. Just never saw it.
Danny has done really well drafting, so I'm not really being critical of him for that miss, but I just never saw it.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 10, 2019 18:15:56 GMT -5
The belief of many is that, of the players who were willing to stay overseas, he was the best.
Cs wanted that flexibility so it pushed him to late lottery when he was really a late 1st guy.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 10, 2019 18:24:47 GMT -5
The belief of many is that, of the players who were willing to stay overseas, he was the best. Cs wanted that flexibility so it pushed him to late lottery when he was really a late 1st guy. Yep, they were going for Durant that season and needed the space. It wasn't a bad bet and honestly you can see faint glimpses of a player in Yabu. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 10, 2019 18:36:17 GMT -5
Wasn’t Kanter pretty solid defensively in the playoffs last year? Some context Kanter's DBPM for his career regular season -2.1, -1.2, -1.8, -2.3, -3.1, -1.9, .1 and last year -.2. In the playoffs 1.0, so he was certainly better. For comparison Horford was 2.7 regular season, 3.3 playoffs and Baynes was 1.4 and 3.8. Kanter has improved the last two years and those 16 playoff game likely are the best defensive games of his career. Even then the drop off from Horford and Baynes is massive. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 10, 2019 18:43:29 GMT -5
Yes a big part of the Yabu pick was he was willing to stay overseas. Yet like with the Baynes deal there were other ways to save money. Should have just traded the pick for a future one. That pick was seen as a big reach the minute it was made. If I remember right most draft experts had Yabu mid second round. He was picked like two tiers higher just because he was willing to stay overseas. Made himself a lot of money doing that.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 10, 2019 18:54:38 GMT -5
I might still have my 16 spreadsheet but I thought he'd been getting a lot of late 1st love in mocks.
Admittedly, that could've been due to accurately connecting him with Boston but assuming it was with their last 1st rounder.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 10, 2019 20:56:43 GMT -5
Was Yabu's contract fully guarenteed?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 10, 2019 21:01:29 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 11, 2019 5:46:24 GMT -5
Rated second to last player in Tier 6, Ford saying he heard one player was rated on one teams board in top 30 for those guys. That group had LeVert coming off major injury and we know the Nets traded for a pick targeting him. For example our two mid second round picks were Tier five guys that year and Danny had a chance at tier four guys when he picked Yabu. There were like 30 plus players rated above him and looking at those players you can see why.
There very well could have been a late switch in mocks due to information, yet based on rankings I don't think any experts had him anywhere near top 30. He was actually one of the lower rated international guys, a bunch of higher ones went later. Zubac for example was in the lottery in a bunch of mocks. Fell because he wanted to come over that year. SG from Turkey that the Sixers took and has looked better than Yabu.
So Danny had options, not like there was only one international guy worth a first round pick that year. It was seen as a rather strong class, Danny just liked Yabu and missed. He shouldn't just get a pass for missing on that pick. I'm just glad he seemed to learn from his mistake and was brilliant this year. I'd much rather a future pick even if it's worse than just talking an international guy to save money. I could have seen it if he was raw and high upside, but that was never Yabu.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 11, 2019 5:53:11 GMT -5
Tacko makes very little sense. We go four deep at center now. If you want to keep him, give him a two way contract.
You can really use another PF for depth, so it makes sense to target Veterans.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 11, 2019 5:54:52 GMT -5
Thought of another trade while having a lot of free time with no sports on lately.
To Toronto
Gordon Hayward
Daniel Theis
Kanter
2 first round picks
For
Serge Ibaka
Marc Gasol
Two expiring deals too. Ibaka would fill the PF spot and Gasol would fill in as a nice big man.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 11, 2019 6:19:07 GMT -5
Was Yabu's contract fully guarenteed? Yes |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 11, 2019 6:23:41 GMT -5
Thought of another trade while having a lot of free time with no sports on lately. To Toronto Gordon Hayward Daniel Theis Kanter 2 first round picks For Serge Ibaka Marc Gasol Two expiring deals too. Ibaka would fill the PF spot and Gasol would fill in as a nice big man. A couple issues, Kanter cannot be traded until Dec 16 and he sat out games in Toronto last year because he’s not comfortable leaving the US considering Turkey basically wants to extradite him back home and kill him. He doesn’t have a valid passport as Turkey cancelled his so not only would he not report to the Raptors, Danny Ainge would basically have to retire as no player would ever work with him again if he did that to Kanter. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 11, 2019 6:26:51 GMT -5
Thought of another trade while having a lot of free time with no sports on lately. To Toronto Gordon Hayward Daniel Theis Kanter 2 first round picks For Serge Ibaka Marc Gasol Two expiring deals too. Ibaka would fill the PF spot and Gasol would fill in as a nice big man. A couple issues, Kanter cannot be traded until Dec 16 and he sat out games in Toronto last year because he’s not comfortable leaving the US considering Turkey basically wants to extradite him back home and kill him. He doesn’t have a valid passport as Turkey cancelled his so not only would he not report to the Raptors, Danny Ainge would basically have to retire as no player would ever work with him again if he did that to Kanter. Lol, that's insane. I didn't know that. The trade could work without Kanter too. It's close enough to work without him. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 11, 2019 7:13:21 GMT -5
What should the Celtics do with the last roster spot?
It should either go to a young player you can work to develop or a veteran who doesn’t need minutes regularly (think DNPs) but can fill a role. The latter probably makes the most sense.
I did want to mention a guy who won’t get it but might deserve a chance just doesn’t fit here.
JaVonte Green is a really good defensive player and is explosive as hell. I doubt he can shoot as I don’t see him do it and if he could he’d be an NBA player no problem. He’s a later bloomer at 25, but he’s only 6’4 so he’s not big enough to carry as a slashing defensive wing without a shot.
Jonas Jerebko or Ryan Anderson make the most sense as stretch 4s still on the market. I get the need for a stretch 4, but i keep going back to smaller rotations and minutes for our young guys. If Brad can be disciplined and DNP those guys most of the year then dust them off in the playoffs like they did with Green a few years ago then I’m good with it. If they are playing regular minutes then I’m not.
This is where Tacko can make some sense. Being at the end of the bench, he will barely play, but could be utilized in situations. End of quarter plays to cover the in bounder or set plays at the ends of clocks to stand under the hoop to defend any slashers going into the paint. He can play shirt stretches where you want to switch to zone on a team etc. He’s never going to play 15+ minutes a night but that’s ok. It’s actually a good thing. He actually moves very well for his size and is super wide so it’s hard to go around him. He can also stand 8 feet off a guy and still affect the shot so I don’t buy the he will get run around off switches. Also, why do we need to play by the new NBA mentality that you have to switch on a pick and roll. It’s gotten so comical that they call a pick over and guys switch before anything is even set then walk away in some situations. It’s ridiculous. There’s ways to cover for those things in limited minutes. So here’s the deal. If you want a guy who doesn’t require minutes and can fill a very specific role (think BB roster utilization) then you can easily see why Tacko could fill the final spot and give you something. If you’re dreaming on him being some hugely impact guy, blocking shots everywhere and out rebounding everyone then you’re way over shooting. He’s a DNP guy that can come in and have a positive affect on 4 or 5 situational plays a game and emergency Center depth. What’s wrong with that?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 11, 2019 19:37:56 GMT -5
Big time trade in the NBA.
Marcus Morris to the Knicks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 11, 2019 20:01:38 GMT -5
Big time trade in the NBA. Marcus Morris to the Knicks. Unless there’s a video in the tweet it’s waaaay easier if you post a pic of it. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 11, 2019 20:05:51 GMT -5
Post a picture of what? Didn't I do that? Im confused lol.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 11, 2019 20:15:06 GMT -5
Post a picture of what? Didn't I do that? Im confused lol. You posted links to the tweets not pictures |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 11, 2019 21:43:53 GMT -5
Post a picture of what? Didn't I do that? Im confused lol. You posted links to the tweets not pictures They show up if you're on a browser. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 12, 2019 0:31:14 GMT -5
If Tacko is your 15th guy, which is crazy to have a 5th center, yet he won't be able to play any special role. Only 12 guys are active for games. Nevermind Robert Williams can do everything listed and likely better due to being a great athlete.
As much as I hated Yabu, he was more useful than Tacko.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 12, 2019 6:39:14 GMT -5
Maybe this is why we need to keep Tacko...
Robert Williams on what he has learned from Tacko Fall: "Tack taught me about patience. Tack taught me about listening, man. Tack, he soaks up everything."
Williams most impressive wrinkle has been his passing. If he can be a really good passing big man, that will go a long way towards covering up for the fact he can’t shoot.
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