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2019 Celtics Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 6, 2019 16:43:49 GMT -5
Clarke had the second best efficiency rating in all of College Basketball to only Zion last year. He's an elite athlete that plays very good team ball, is a great defender, can pass, and drives to the Basket like a SF. Like he averaged 4.5 blocks and steals combined last year, he's like the Thybulle of bigs and he can guard small ball 5s along with PFs and SFs. He's a jump shot away from being a boarder line All-Star. He's a better Larry Nance Jr at worst, which is a fairly high floor.
He's not my top guy at 14, like I'd love him at 20. Yet I don't worry about his age because his skills translate to the NBA. He's still going to be more athletic and faster than almost all bigs, the guy can hang with the best SFs in the NBA. He's also skilled and does everything but shoot. My issue with Cameron Johnson is if he can't create his own shot, what else does he do? A guy like Covington is great at hitting open shots, we guarded him in the playoffs and he sucked when trying to take three pointers when guarded. I also don't see Johnson as the defender Covington is. I just struggle projecting his role, that makes sense passing on guys with much higher upsides. Have you seen his comps? Like four different experts, list shades of a bunch of players, not one gets me excited and that's not something that happens often. Usually someone is higher on him and throws out what seems like a crazy comp. That's certainly not an end all, but it seems a lot of experts are also struggling to project his role.
The one thing that worries me about Clarke is his weight. He needs to bulk up for the NBA, yet he looks a lot bigger than his listed weight. Also Clarke unless he gets a jumper won't be able to play with Williams, like Washington can. So he's not a perfect fit by any means. Yet Danny loves defenders and athletic upside guys. Clarke even at his age has big upside because he's so elite athlectly.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 6, 2019 23:35:58 GMT -5
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26914126/nets-trade-crabbe-hawks-prince?platform=amp"The Brooklyn Nets are trading guard Allen Crabbe and his $18.5 million contract to the Atlanta Hawks, clearing the salary-cap space to pursue two maximum free-agent contracts this summer, league sources told ESPN. The Nets are sending Crabbe, the No. 17 pick in the 2019 NBA draft and a 2020 lottery-protected first-round pick to the Hawks for forward Taurean Prince and a 2021 second-round pick, league sources said. The deal can't be finalized until July 6. Boston guard Kyrie Irving -- who is expected to become a free agent -- and Brooklyn have a strong mutual interest, league sources told ESPN. The Nets have $46 million in salary-cap space to sign two maximum-contract free agents. Brooklyn's dream scenario is to lure Irving and Golden State's Kevin Durant to the franchise, league sources said." So the Nets can now thank the Hawks for giving them a extra 18 million in cap space to sign Kyrie Irving and possibly Kevin Durant. Well, here comes part 2 of the rebuild because Kyrie reportedly wants Brooklyn.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 6, 2019 23:38:25 GMT -5
Oh boy if Kyrie does sign with the Nets then the articles about the trade practically write themselves.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 7, 2019 12:23:21 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 7, 2019 12:42:02 GMT -5
I'd do that trade if Kyrie commits. You don't do that trade unless he does commit. Danny is a gunslinger. I have been trying to explain this for over a year. He wants to win. Not wait around and look for players to develop for a maybe down the road. If he sees a path to contention with better talent right now, you bet he's going to take it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 7, 2019 16:14:03 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 7, 2019 17:03:59 GMT -5
I mean, apples to oranges. Leonard was reportedly pushing for LA with a year left in his contract.
Davis reportedly wants the same, but I think has 2 years left on his deal. More control over a player he covets.
If Leonard was willing to talk extension with the Celtics, do you honestly think Brown would be a Celtic today?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 7, 2019 17:15:36 GMT -5
Well, this is interesting.
Add UMASS-
"I do know that there is some regret with some people in the Celtics organization about not pulling the trigger on a Kawhi Leonard deal," Mannix said. "They could have made a deal for him involving Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart, or at least with Brown as the centerpiece."
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 7, 2019 18:33:47 GMT -5
I mean, apples to oranges. Leonard was reportedly pushing for LA with a year left in his contract. Davis reportedly wants the same, but I think has 2 years left on his deal. More control over a player he covets. If Leonard was willing to talk extension with the Celtics, do you honestly think Brown would be a Celtic today? Pedro it's the exact same thing, one year left on deal, wants to play in LA and wants to be a free agent. Given the current rules and how the cap keeps going up, it would be stupid for nearly any player to sign an early extension. Just like with Irving last year. It would cost them a lot of money. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 7, 2019 18:43:29 GMT -5
Well, this is interesting. Add UMASS- "I do know that there is some regret with some people in the Celtics organization about not pulling the trigger on a Kawhi Leonard deal," Mannix said. "They could have made a deal for him involving Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart, or at least with Brown as the centerpiece." Pedro that is what the article I posted said. No surprise Danny will be in on every trade, yet he just doesn't make trades if it makes them better contenders like you keep saying. They have to make sense and trading Tatum makes little sense! Heck that Leonard trade made more sense even if seemed like overkill at the time. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 7, 2019 18:46:36 GMT -5
I mean, apples to oranges. Leonard was reportedly pushing for LA with a year left in his contract. Davis reportedly wants the same, but I think has 2 years left on his deal. More control over a player he covets. If Leonard was willing to talk extension with the Celtics, do you honestly think Brown would be a Celtic today? Pedro it's the exact same thing, one year left on deal, wants to play in LA and wants to be a free agent. Given the current rules and how the cap keeps going up, it would be stupid for nearly any player to sign an early extension. Just like with Irving last year. It would cost them a lot of money. You need to get them to Boston to show them how awesome it is here. That's how you got Garnett to stay. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 7, 2019 21:10:47 GMT -5
Pedro it's the exact same thing, one year left on deal, wants to play in LA and wants to be a free agent. Given the current rules and how the cap keeps going up, it would be stupid for nearly any player to sign an early extension. Just like with Irving last year. It would cost them a lot of money. You need to get them to Boston to show them how awesome it is here. That's how you got Garnett to stay. KG signed a three year extension the day the trade was made. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 8, 2019 3:09:06 GMT -5
You need to get them to Boston to show them how awesome it is here. That's how you got Garnett to stay. KG signed a three year extension the day the trade was made. Yeap, after he needed to be convinced about how great Boston is. AD might need to be SHOWN that instead. Add- Garnett was resistant to coming to Boston at first. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 8, 2019 6:10:05 GMT -5
NBA needs to change the rules on extensions if they want to take some power back from the players. It’s a way to do it where it actually benefits the player at the same time. Why should the Celtics or the Cavs have to wait until they are free agents to give Kyrie the contract? Sure they can offer more than anyone else but at that point the guys going to be massively rich anyways. Signing it early keeps him in town - the player does it to get the money secured and the team does it to secure the player. Win - win. Problem is the league likes the circus more than they care about teams staying competitive.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 8, 2019 8:38:59 GMT -5
KG signed a three year extension the day the trade was made. Yeap, after he needed to be convinced about how great Boston is. AD might need to be SHOWN that instead. Add- Garnett was resistant to coming to Boston at first. Maybe that's all he needs or maybe Boston isn't for him. Great town, but Basketball is a winter sport and let's be frank Winter's suck in Massachusetts. It's a big risk, see Irving. Also the Media and die-hard fans expect Championships. It's not for everyone, certainly not players that want to play in LA. Now it's been ten plus year's, yet wasn't it the Ray Allen trade that convinced him? They did everything they could and he said no, they made that trade and he's like let's do this. Which isn't surprising they built the best team in the NBA. Davis to the Celtics doesn't do that. You have one year and if it doesn't work you are in full on rebuild again. The exact thing you keep saying you want to avoid. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 8, 2019 8:45:32 GMT -5
NBA needs to change the rules on extensions if they want to take some power back from the players. It’s a way to do it where it actually benefits the player at the same time. Why should the Celtics or the Cavs have to wait until they are free agents to give Kyrie the contract? Sure they can offer more than anyone else but at that point the guys going to be massively rich anyways. Signing it early keeps him in town - the player does it to get the money secured and the team does it to secure the player. Win - win. Problem is the league likes the circus more than they care about teams staying competitive. They sure do, they make little sense considering they were designed to help teams keep players. Yet the cap going crazy litterally means the difference between four and five year deals along with bigger raises is rather small. Like Irving should have been ample to sign a full max five year deal last off-season. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 8, 2019 10:07:51 GMT -5
If Kyrie walks then making a Davis trade is borderline negligent and definitely desperate. You can’t trade Tatum or Brown let alone Smart and a bevy of picks on top of it all.
You let Tatum and Brown get time as the top options and you run from there. They’ve both shown star potential so let them go for it. You hope Hayward returns to some semblance of the player he was and keep or trade him. That’s all you can do then you hope Memphis keeps sucking for 2 more years and add a stud. But in the mean time you have an exciting high energy team that can compete.
It will be tough because I don’t think there’s a way to carve out cap space with the way Horford and Hayward’s contracts are in combination with when Brown and Tatum are due. Plus, who can you expect to attract.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 8, 2019 13:15:03 GMT -5
If you're not willing to make that trade then you're probably not interesting in trading for a star player (since MOST won't be available with more than a year on their contract).
That's okay, mind you. Don't know if I agree but it's not outlandish.
You're basically weighing the risk of Davis leaving after a year vs the risk of waiting to see if Tatum/Brown/Memphis produces a star(s).
EDIT - to be clear, my mind changes on a daily basis as to what I want.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 8, 2019 23:43:39 GMT -5
bleacherreport.com/articles/2839838-2019-nba-mock-draft-latest-prospects-stock-movement-and-predictionsHad to post. Interesting Mock for many reasons. It has RJPs boy at 14, yet also gives us NAW at 20 and Bol at 22. Like change 14 to Herro, heck almost anyone but Johnson and it's a great mock. I know Little might be risky, but he's on my list. Like take away Herro in this mock, say you drop the overrated French guy and your choices are limited. Assuming NAW and Bol go 20 and 22. Do you take the risk on Porter? Langford who is safer, yet was the shooting just an injury?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 9, 2019 4:57:15 GMT -5
bleacherreport.com/articles/2839838-2019-nba-mock-draft-latest-prospects-stock-movement-and-predictionsHad to post. Interesting Mock for many reasons. It has RJPs boy at 14, yet also gives us NAW at 20 and Bol at 22. Like change 14 to Herro, heck almost anyone but Johnson and it's a great mock. I know Little might be risky, but he's on my list. Like take away Herro in this mock, say you drop the overrated French guy and your choices are limited. Assuming NAW and Bol go 20 and 22. Do you take the risk on Porter? Langford who is safer, yet was the shooting just an injury? They will probably take little since I hate the idea of it. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 9, 2019 9:13:35 GMT -5
Just a random thought. Over the years we have discussed the chances of winning a championship while the Warriors have been loaded, chances didn't look good. I have stated in the past that they were an injury away from being vulnerable. And now it has happened an injury is going to cost them the trophy.
If the season were just getting started and we were debating who would have the best chance of winning if GS was without KD I would have to say Boston. Sorry, like I said it was a random thought, just punctuates how bad the C's have blown an opportunity.
Same old question, how do you go to game 7 of the ECF then add a superstar and an allstar, albeit a rehabbing one, but regress so badly? What a lesson in bad team chemistry.
It seemed like the C's had 2 roads to consider. 1 with the youth, 1 with Kyrie and AD. Could their be a third with AD and no Kyrie? Should be an interesting summer.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 9, 2019 9:23:47 GMT -5
The Celtics could have been the Raptors with Leonard on the Celtics. That's why the Celtics regret not making that trade.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 9, 2019 10:49:06 GMT -5
RJP what's your thoughts on Dylan Windler F from Belmont?
Very similar to Johnson in a ton of ways, yet seems to be a SG in NBA. Like he has good dribbling ability and can create his own shot. He'll struggle on D, but I like his offensive skill set.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2019 12:02:40 GMT -5
What stops an Irving-free Celtics trade for AD from turning them into the Pelicans?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 9, 2019 13:28:17 GMT -5
What stops an Irving-free Celtics trade for AD from turning them into the Pelicans? The Pelicans don't have a potential rebound of Hayward. They also wouldn't have Brown and whatever's left that Danny didnt trade. |
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