2019 Celtics Offseason Thread

I don’t know him that well. I’ll check him out.

So you aren't going to second guess him if he doesn't trade for AD or let Irving walk?

sports.yahoo.com/nba-rumors-celtics-engaged-pretty-164444047.html

Interesting but what do you give up?

Sign and trade rules are crazy complicated. Basically most times the team trading for him needs the cap space where they could just sign him. So you are getting very little like conditional 2nd round pick and you might have to even pay a small price. They are basically favors, like Irving could be a great guy and ask the team that signs him to help the Celtics out. Not holding my breath.

As to the package, I'd expect a lot more than that. Say Smart, Semi, Williams and pick 22 or Smart, Baynes, and Semi or Capela plus for Horford (I don't like this one bit, but it was rumored). They either want more depth or a different type of player I assume. It's not a salary dump.

Yeah, I know sign and trades are complicated, but obviously Brooklyn has the cap to sign him. As for what's their motivation to trade and not just sign  him, I thought it meant we could give him an extra year in that scenario, but now I'm seeing stuff that says that isn't true anymore (these seem like really stupid rule changes by the league- why are they making it so teams that lose FAs can't get anything for them?). But I was also thinking we could take Prince off their hands if they wanted to move a few more mil to go after more FAs. Don't know if they would, he's not a particularly good or bad player. But yeah, I might throw in a late 1 to get something done, assuming we had something to do with that exemption. 

As for what it would cost to get Capela, I have no idea. I wasn't thinking "salary dump" but I was thinking it's a team that knows they need to shake things up to get over a hump in a very short remaining window. Capela seemed kind of like he was an afterthought this year. Semi would seem to be the kind of guy they could use. But again, don't know what else it would take. I assume Baynes wouldn't be part of it because of the rumors that he would only not opt out to stay in Boston. I think he could get more money elsewhere, so I'd be surprised if he didn't opt out without an assurance he wouldn't be traded. If we're supposedly talking about it there has to be something doable. No idea what it would be.

If it were Smart or Horford, I wouldn't even think about it. Though I can at least see the logic of something like Horford and throw ins for Capela and Gordon. 

You can't do Horford for Capela if he opts in, it's not even close salary wise. It have to be also Gordon or Tucker, Nene and a few throw in players. Which for a team that needs depth makes little sense.

So if it's Horford it's likely a sign and trade. I'm no expert, but the sign and trade rule that makes matching salary hard, is tied to the raise the player gets, over a certain amount and that 50% rule kicks in, where you can only take back 50% of his salary. Hence you need cap space. Yet if Horford signs say a three year extension at 15-17 million that wouldn't apply or I don't think it would. Yet Danny came out after the rumors and said signing Horford to an extension was a top priority.

Now if you're Houston and can't get by the Warriors Smart would seem to make a lot of sense. The exact type of player they need to try and contain Curry and Thompson. I could see Baynes opting in if he's going to a contender like Houston and likely a draft pick, heck maybe two. Gives Houston more depth and draft picks to make trades or young players to trade for veteran help, something they don't have with no picks. I'll admit it seems kinda crazy, I think Capela is easily twice the player Smart is. Yet if Houston thinks Smarts new three point shooting is legit, he'd really fit that system.

Overall depending what the package is I like it. Go for the younger guy under contract. The type of guy who will have good trade value for years and matches up age wise a lot better with Brown and Tatum. Would also really help get us back to being that D first team we need to be. Then draft a guy like Thybulle or Sort to replace Smart.

Irving is freaking out right now.

KD reportedly tore his Achilles. Could change everything this offseason.

For sure, the 1+1 deal completely messed up the balance. The players exchanged long term security for what, the possibility of franchise hopping? How does that help the sport when we spend most of the season talking about where players will go after it's done?

I think you are right he will still get a max but it’s only from a desperate team or the Warriors who have no cap space anyways. Achilles are no joke; there’s a good possibility he’s never close to the same player.

Also, that Warriors GM is a joke. If I were the owner of the Warriors, I would have wanted to fire him today. I’m ok with sensitivity but Jesus man

What's the plan then for Irving to Nets? Like Durant and Irving made sense. Irving and Russell don't make any sense. Irving doesn't even really make sense for the Nets unless he could get a Durant to go there.

He's the most talented basketball player on this team.

He's also proven capable of being a great 2nd fiddle on a championship team (yes, it was Lebron but that doesnt mean it had to be).

He's also proven capable of leading the Cs to great success (we seem to be forgetting how good they were at the beginning of his 1st season).

The biggest negative is that he failed to lead a bunch of guys who didnt know their roles. That's not unimportant but it's likely not a situation he would be in next year.

Its easy to put this season on him (when you're the #1 guy, that comes with the territory). But their were significant failures elsewhere as well.