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Post by costpet on Jun 27, 2021 7:39:04 GMT -5
Even if he comes back, it's going to take a long time to get up to speed. I have my doubts if he can do it. Just getting his arm in shape will probably take at least a year. Then he has to go through the system.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 27, 2021 14:10:21 GMT -5
I get that's the link and answer that Google gives you when you ask "how long is Navy flight training" (because I just did that too!) but it's not correct. If you look more closely, it's 6 weeks in Pensacola, 22 weeks for primary training, then one potential pipeline has 17 weeks for intermediate training and 27 weeks for advanced training. So 72 weeks. The Capitol Gazette reported 18 months approximately to complete training, perhaps taking as little as a year, and he reported last June. It always seemed pretty clear they'd get him back very late this season at best, and more likely in 2022.
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Post by sox94 on Jun 28, 2021 4:47:48 GMT -5
His commitment is 2 YEARS- TWO YEARS- not 6!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 28, 2021 8:46:26 GMT -5
Is he even going to be able to pitch after this? I mean, in a general sense. It seems like a long layoff and he's 24 already. Has there been a professional pitcher who came from his situation?
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 28, 2021 8:50:46 GMT -5
Is he even going to be able to pitch after this? I mean, in a general sense. It seems like a long layoff and he's 24 already. Has there been a professional pitcher who came from his situation? Obviously extreme examples, but Bob Feller and Warren Spahn.
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Post by patford on Jun 28, 2021 9:04:45 GMT -5
Is he even going to be able to pitch after this? I mean, in a general sense. It seems like a long layoff and he's 24 already. Has there been a professional pitcher who came from his situation? Isn't he going to have opportunities to pitch? We know the Navy allowed him to pitch in Lowell in 2019 and the 2019 WBSC Premier 12. He didn't pitch in 2020 but maybe that was Covid related. I suppose it would be a bad sign if he chooses not pitch the next time he has an opportunity to do so. Does anyone know when that might be? Or will there be no scheduled time off from his Navy commitment where he would be able to do some work in the Red Sox system?
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Post by hanleybeingmanny on Jun 28, 2021 9:06:41 GMT -5
Is he even going to be able to pitch after this? I mean, in a general sense. It seems like a long layoff and he's 24 already. Has there been a professional pitcher who came from his situation? Eddy didn't pitch for a whole year. Noah will definitely have to take time to ramp up and get back into the swing of baseball exercises, but I imagine his conditioning will be fine. I'd be willing to bet he turns out better than Jay Groome at the end of all this.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 28, 2021 9:14:30 GMT -5
Is he even going to be able to pitch after this? I mean, in a general sense. It seems like a long layoff and he's 24 already. Has there been a professional pitcher who came from his situation? Eddy didn't pitch for a whole year. Noah will definitely have to take time to ramp up and get back into the swing of baseball exercises, but I imagine his conditioning will be fine. I'd be willing to bet he turns out better than Jay Groome at the end of all this. Groome does only have 4 IP since 2017 (before this year); however, unlike Noah he has time on his side. He's 22 whereas Noah will be done with his commitment at 25.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2021 9:23:37 GMT -5
Eddy didn't pitch for a whole year. Noah will definitely have to take time to ramp up and get back into the swing of baseball exercises, but I imagine his conditioning will be fine. I'd be willing to bet he turns out better than Jay Groome at the end of all this. Groome does only have 4 IP since 2017 (before this year); however, unlike Noah he has time on his side. He's 22 whereas Noah will be done with his commitment at 25. The good news there will be less mileage on his arm. I mean, bad example here perhaps, but Rich Hill is still going strong at 41. He missed lots of time with injuries. Perhaps in a way it kept him kind of fresh if you subscribe to the theory that every arm only has so many bullets in it. Song has maintained his pitching bullets. He'll just be starting later, but it doesn't mean that he'll end his career sooner. Plus this kid will have tremendous maturity to deal with needed adjustments along the way.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 28, 2021 9:48:33 GMT -5
Just because he is in the Military, it doesn't mean he can't be throwing/pitching on his own or with a trainer/pitching coach. Pitchers miss an extended period of time when they have TJ, and are able to come back, Song won't be recovering from injury, just getting back into competitive baseball.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jun 28, 2021 9:53:37 GMT -5
I'm assuming he's pitching on the side during his off time.
Anyone have first-person insights into whether my above assumptions is reasonable?
Any word on whether the Red Sox have given him an arm conditioning program?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 28, 2021 9:54:00 GMT -5
Exactly. The idea that he's on some kind of extended sabbatical from ever pitching for two years is silly. For all we know he has a regular throwing regime.
Add: From the Navy's point of view, Song is one of the best recruiters they could hope to have for drawing superior talent to Annapolis. The more visibility the better. The place to max that out is on the Sox 26-man if he gets there. They surely understand that.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jun 28, 2021 10:42:50 GMT -5
Exactly. The idea that he's on some kind of extended sabbatical from ever pitching for two years is silly. For all we know he has a regular throwing regime. Add: From the Navy's point of view, Song is one of the best recruiters they could hope to have for drawing superior talent to Annapolis. The more visibility the better. The place to max that out is on the Sox 26-man if he gets there. They surely understand that. I'm surprised he wasn't permitted the chance to participate in Olympic qualifications. His service generated positive buzz at the Premier 12 and surely the Olympics would generate much more interest.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 28, 2021 14:14:50 GMT -5
When he did Premier12, he'd been throwing. Doesn't make any sense to throw him into competitive innings without ramping up. BIG difference between any working out he might be doing on his own and being ramped up enough to throw in games.
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Post by patford on Jun 28, 2021 14:17:25 GMT -5
Exactly. The idea that he's on some kind of extended sabbatical from ever pitching for two years is silly. For all we know he has a regular throwing regime. Add: From the Navy's point of view, Song is one of the best recruiters they could hope to have for drawing superior talent to Annapolis. The more visibility the better. The place to max that out is on the Sox 26-man if he gets there. They surely understand that. Couldn't taking a hard line also discourage recruits? Not to say a significant number of recruits would be potential professional athletes but I would think flexibility would be in their favor.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 30, 2021 15:20:45 GMT -5
I don't think anyone posted the recent minor league piece from the Athletic with a quick mention of Noah Song. Before you get your hopes up, basically, there isn't news....but I'd also say that Brian Abraham's quote certainly doesn't shut the door on a Noah Song return in say 2022:
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2021 23:45:01 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 6, 2021 11:48:58 GMT -5
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 6, 2021 11:51:12 GMT -5
Came here to post this. #FreeSong
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 6, 2021 11:54:20 GMT -5
Even in some imaginary circumstance where he's granted a waiver now, based on his character I don't think he would take it. He's committed to finishing flight school. That being said, this does give me hope that they'll grant him his waiver after he finishes so he's free to start the 2022 season.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 6, 2021 12:20:55 GMT -5
Even in some imaginary circumstance where he's granted a waiver now, based on his character I don't think he would take it. He's committed to finishing flight school. That being said, this does give me hope that they'll grant him his waiver after he finishes so he's free to start the 2022 season. I wonder if any Fall or Winter leagues might be in play
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 6, 2021 12:25:31 GMT -5
Even in some imaginary circumstance where he's granted a waiver now, based on his character I don't think he would take it. He's committed to finishing flight school. That being said, this does give me hope that they'll grant him his waiver after he finishes so he's free to start the 2022 season. I wonder if any Fall or Winter leagues might be in play Personally, I’d doubt it. I’m sure he’s not in pitching form so I’d want him to take the full offseason to get a throwing program going.
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Post by bcsox on Jul 6, 2021 12:36:16 GMT -5
so assuming he had met his military obligations, and wants to pitch again, and reports to the RS to begin 2022, what kind of placement and innings restriction would seem suitable? XST? High A. He will be almost 25, so it wouldnt do any good to have him facing 20-21 year old hitters. How many years of control would the Sox still have over him? When would he first be Rule 5 eligible? would you let him get to 100 innings his first year or is that too much. What a boost to the system if he comes back, and returns to what he was.
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Post by jimgosger on Jul 6, 2021 12:50:18 GMT -5
They have 25 year olds pitching in Salem right now. Probably put him in instructs either in the Fall or Spring and then send him to Salem when he appears ready. If you have to wait for the FCL, then that tells you something about his performance in instructs.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 6, 2021 13:31:41 GMT -5
That seems the way to go, though it wouldn't surprise me that with a good showing he might even start off in A+. That could be a relatively quick route to AA, likely the next season.
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