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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 18, 2019 22:24:25 GMT -5
Well, no matter what happens here we will get treated to a Josh Taylor relief appearance (no Velazquez available?) Velazquez is probably the long man here.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 18, 2019 22:24:27 GMT -5
We didn't get what we paid for. We got a crappy 2016 and mediocre 2018. We paid for the 2017 version. And anyway, we were talking about 2016, when everyone was disappointed in him. Fair point about 2016 as he was worth 0.8 bWAR. The other 2 were worth the price of admission at 3.6 and 2.3 bWAR. He was really good outside of one year. And Chris Sale threw the final out of 2018 despite not being able to throw more than 88 mph.
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Post by nomar on Jun 18, 2019 22:25:02 GMT -5
Come on Mookie turn a page here
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 18, 2019 22:26:04 GMT -5
ugh, blown chance
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Post by cutz on Jun 18, 2019 22:26:06 GMT -5
Damn!
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Post by bosox on Jun 18, 2019 22:26:24 GMT -5
Offense had their chance and couldn't get it done.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 18, 2019 22:26:34 GMT -5
Bad time for our RISP issues to resurface. None of the ABs were particularly good - impatient.
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Post by wildsox on Jun 18, 2019 22:27:00 GMT -5
Runner on 3rd. 1 Out. Gotta get that run in
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Post by telson13 on Jun 18, 2019 22:29:23 GMT -5
Why wouldn't there be less complaints about Workman when he costs peanuts and they didn't trade 4 good prospects to get him? $13M closers have higher expectations. What expectation did Kimbrel not exceed in Boston though? He won a title here, had 2 really good seasons, and one really great season here. I don't get it. That’s the point...he didn’t exceed expectations. Based on career, his great season WAS expectation. He underperformed, overall. It’s not necessarily “fair,” and I thought that even if the trade was an overpay, it worked out fine. But Kimbrel’s incredible prior career was both a boon (some people excused his weaker stretches because mediocre for him was still very good, if not elite), and a bane (his expense, in both prospects and $, made anything less than consistent awesomeness, ca 2017, a let-down). Let’s be realistic: Kimbrel was very good, incredible for stretches, but he wasn’t “Craig Kimbrel” for much of his time here. Workman is better this year than ‘16 or ‘18 Kimbrel, but he’s not getting nearly the credit because he lacks the history. It’s just how things work...history determines scrutiny, and plenty of people expect Workman to turn back into a pumpkin. He might...lots of relievers do, which is what makes guys like Kimbrel worth those trades...but his performance has been “real.” There’s no smoke/mirrors. Statcast backs him up at every turn. Dude has an xBAA of around .160 and an EV against of, like, 85 mph with a barrel rate under 2%. He’s been sick.
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Post by bosox on Jun 18, 2019 22:30:14 GMT -5
Bad time for our RISP issues to resurface. None of the ABs were particularly good - impatient. I'll be glad when Mookie starts consistently raking and not flying out to right field.
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Post by cutz on Jun 18, 2019 22:31:14 GMT -5
Don't like this matchup
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 18, 2019 22:33:03 GMT -5
Didn't realize Josh Taylor was so young - 26 - and a big guy (6 feet 5) and can throw hard. If he can harness his stuff with good control, possible really valuable arm (big if of course)
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 18, 2019 22:33:10 GMT -5
Bad time for our RISP issues to resurface. None of the ABs were particularly good - impatient. I'll be glad when Mookie starts consistently raking and not flying out to right field. I think he has to prove he can handle outside pitches like Xander in 2014/2015. That is all he's getting anymore.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 18, 2019 22:33:30 GMT -5
Fair point about 2016 as he was worth 0.8 bWAR. The other 2 were worth the price of admission at 3.6 and 2.3 bWAR. He was really good outside of one year. And Chris Sale threw the final out of 2018 despite not being able to throw more than 88 mph. Sale threw 96 mph in the last game of the world series. So might want to fact check that one.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 18, 2019 22:33:39 GMT -5
Bad time for our RISP issues to resurface. None of the ABs were particularly good - impatient. I'll be glad when Mookie starts consistently raking and not flying out to right field. he hit it far that time to right field, but that's just it. too many hit that way rather than pulled so far in 2019
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 18, 2019 22:34:58 GMT -5
I'll be glad when Mookie starts consistently raking and not flying out to right field. I think he has to prove he can handle outside pitches like Xander in 2014/2015. That is all he's getting anymore. it's true, but Mookie at his best last year could also hook pitches outside in the zone to left field for line drives and homers
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 18, 2019 22:35:12 GMT -5
And Chris Sale threw the final out of 2018 despite not being able to throw more than 88 mph. Sale threw 96 mph in the last game of the world series. So might want to fact check that one. Actually, I don't believe either of us. Except that Kimbrel was watching for sure.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 18, 2019 22:36:00 GMT -5
What expectation did Kimbrel not exceed in Boston though? He won a title here, had 2 really good seasons, and one really great season here. I don't get it. That’s the point...he didn’t exceed expectations. Based on career, his great season WAS expectation. He underperformed, overall. It’s not necessarily “fair,” and I thought that even if the trade was an overpay, it worked out fine. But Kimbrel’s incredible prior career was both a boon (some people excused his weaker stretches because mediocre for him was still very good, if not elite), and a bane (his expense, in both prospects and $, made anything less than consistent awesomeness, ca 2017, a let-down). Let’s be realistic: Kimbrel was very good, incredible for stretches, but he wasn’t “Craig Kimbrel” for much of his time here. Workman is better this year than ‘16 or ‘18 Kimbrel, but he’s not getting nearly the credit because he lacks the history. It’s just how things work...history determines scrutiny, and plenty of people expect Workman to turn back into a pumpkin. He might...lots of relievers do, which is what makes guys like Kimbrel worth those trades...but his performance has been “real.” There’s no smoke/mirrors. Statcast backs him up at every turn. Dude has an xBAA of around .160 and an EV against of, like, 85 mph with a barrel rate under 2%. He’s been sick. Craig Kimbrel was exactly what I thought he was before the trade, when he was here, and after he left. You got exactly what you paid for with Kimbrel imo.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 18, 2019 22:37:17 GMT -5
That’s the point...he didn’t exceed expectations. Based on career, his great season WAS expectation. He underperformed, overall. It’s not necessarily “fair,” and I thought that even if the trade was an overpay, it worked out fine. But Kimbrel’s incredible prior career was both a boon (some people excused his weaker stretches because mediocre for him was still very good, if not elite), and a bane (his expense, in both prospects and $, made anything less than consistent awesomeness, ca 2017, a let-down). Let’s be realistic: Kimbrel was very good, incredible for stretches, but he wasn’t “Craig Kimbrel” for much of his time here. Workman is better this year than ‘16 or ‘18 Kimbrel, but he’s not getting nearly the credit because he lacks the history. It’s just how things work...history determines scrutiny, and plenty of people expect Workman to turn back into a pumpkin. He might...lots of relievers do, which is what makes guys like Kimbrel worth those trades...but his performance has been “real.” There’s no smoke/mirrors. Statcast backs him up at every turn. Dude has an xBAA of around .160 and an EV against of, like, 85 mph with a barrel rate under 2%. He’s been sick. Craig Kimbrel was exactly what I thought he was before the trade, when he was here, and after he left. You got exactly what you paid for with Kimbrel imo. I expect a pitcher that you feel comfortable putting into a playoff game.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jun 18, 2019 22:38:23 GMT -5
Baseball is a funny game. These are supposed to be 2 of the best offensive teams in baseball. Yet in these first 2 games, the pitchers have dominated.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 18, 2019 22:38:55 GMT -5
three glaring O-fers in the line up - Mookie, JDM and Chavis. made it hard to string hits together. Let's get some NOW.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 18, 2019 22:39:36 GMT -5
Josh Taylor, on the other hand, in a small sample size is getting BABIP to death.
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Post by bosox on Jun 18, 2019 22:40:20 GMT -5
They let this pitcher off the hook last inning.
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Post by station13 on Jun 18, 2019 22:40:48 GMT -5
Benny and strikesouts this year. Not good for nearly no power.
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Post by bosox on Jun 18, 2019 22:42:13 GMT -5
JD coming up empty on his swings tonight.
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