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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 6, 2019 12:24:10 GMT -5
2 catches
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 6, 2019 12:25:28 GMT -5
What was that about Gordon not getting separation? Show it to me consistently... also odd play to celebrate since his lack if burst and athleticism or poor conditioning was on full display. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 6, 2019 12:25:36 GMT -5
Let’s just go for 2
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 6, 2019 12:35:11 GMT -5
What was that about Gordon not getting separation? Show it to me consistently... also odd play to celebrate since his lack if burst and athleticism or poor conditioning was on full display. What are you talking about he got about as open as anyone is going to get? Lack of burst and athleticism or poor conditioning what caused Brady to overthrow the ball? I really don't get were you are getting any of this stuff he can't get open deep. That has never been an issue his whole career. Right on time lol! |
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Post by dridiot on Oct 6, 2019 12:41:21 GMT -5
OK only two comments.
1) Pats have been sloppy with the penalties this season
2) There are way too many challenges for a regular season game
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 6, 2019 13:41:13 GMT -5
Pats have 11 INTs this year. 2nd most in the league is 5?
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 6, 2019 14:19:43 GMT -5
Holy crap, Sony Michel sighting!
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 6, 2019 14:45:32 GMT -5
Show it to me consistently... also odd play to celebrate since his lack if burst and athleticism or poor conditioning was on full display. What are you talking about he got about as open as anyone is going to get? Lack of burst and athleticism or poor conditioning what caused Brady to overthrow the ball? I really don't get were you are getting any of this stuff he can't get open deep. That has never been an issue his whole career. Right on time lol! Are you honestly looking at Gordon and seeing a player with great burst and conditioning? |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 6, 2019 15:16:25 GMT -5
What are you talking about he got about as open as anyone is going to get? Lack of burst and athleticism or poor conditioning what caused Brady to overthrow the ball? I really don't get were you are getting any of this stuff he can't get open deep. That has never been an issue his whole career. Right on time lol! Are you honestly looking at Gordon and seeing a player with great burst and conditioning? Thomas actually looked better than Gordon versus the Eagles today. He looked quicker than last season. |
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Post by philarhody on Oct 6, 2019 22:31:47 GMT -5
Watching chiefs/colts. Gotta say the Chiefs have serious flaws. Their offensive line looks pretty bad and their defense simply cannot stop the run.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 6, 2019 23:25:03 GMT -5
Watching chiefs/colts. Gotta say the Chiefs have serious flaws. Their offensive line looks pretty bad and their defense simply cannot stop the run. Colts just mauled them, Indy's offensive linemen are just BAD MEN. They are one Andrew Luck away from being SOMETHING. Goddamn it NFL and injuries. Still think Brissett is a solid NFL QB, but his pick was atrocious and he lacks that extra stuff that makes the elite truly elite. With the Chiefs looking vulnerable, there's exactly one truly good team in the AFC. That's just ridiculous. Lots of intriguing teams, sure, but yeah this might be the worst season I can remember for balance in the league. And I mentioned the AFC, however I also don't trust any NFC team besides Seattle and maybe the Rams. Slim pickings if you like well played football. |
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Post by marrcus on Oct 6, 2019 23:39:44 GMT -5
Short week with the Giants should be interesting. Another loss by ny and they should be out of it so they could be desperate to at least play well. They are 16.5 dogs.
So the Pats get a win then break 10/21 Monday night against the Jets (winless). Things looking good. Shame they are cap-poor before the trade deadline.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 7, 2019 8:25:39 GMT -5
Don one bad game in which Indy played great and Mahomes got hurt isn't grounds to dismiss them as not a good team, IMO
With all the talk about adding a top WR I want to know how they fit that into the cap. Do they have to trade from a position of strength to a position of need? Can they restructure someone? That doesn't seem realistic.
Good thing the defense and the schedule are in the Pats favor or they could have a loss like the Chiefs yesterday.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 7, 2019 9:10:26 GMT -5
How many times is Ju Ju going to fumble away a big game?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 7, 2019 11:47:42 GMT -5
What are you talking about he got about as open as anyone is going to get? Lack of burst and athleticism or poor conditioning what caused Brady to overthrow the ball? I really don't get were you are getting any of this stuff he can't get open deep. That has never been an issue his whole career. Right on time lol! Are you honestly looking at Gordon and seeing a player with great burst and conditioning? Great burst? No that is an Edelman type guy and that isn't Gordon, he's not on that level. He's not an elite slot WR and they have been using him as a slot WR. Tons and tons of short passes in which he took a beating, which caused a knee injury. Can Gordon get separation and get open deep? We got to see that multiple times as Brady actually went deep a lot in this game. The guy isn't a 100% and banged up and he got wide open. The other team was doubling him everytime he went deep. I haven't seen a conditioning issue since last year when he joined the team for the first few games. He'd go deep and they'd have to remove him. That hasn't happened this year. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 7, 2019 13:32:21 GMT -5
Are you honestly looking at Gordon and seeing a player with great burst and conditioning? Great burst? No that is an Edelman type guy and that isn't Gordon, he's not on that level. He's not an elite slot WR and they have been using him as a slot WR. Tons and tons of short passes in which he took a beating, which caused a knee injury. Can Gordon get separation and get open deep? We got to see that multiple times as Brady actually went deep a lot in this game. The guy isn't a 100% and banged up and he got wide open. The other team was doubling him everytime he went deep. I haven't seen a conditioning issue since last year when he joined the team for the first few games. He'd go deep and they'd have to remove him. That hasn't happened this year. He literally asked out after the Brady over-throw. He doesn’t have the speed he used to have. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 7, 2019 13:56:03 GMT -5
Gordon doesn’t have the same speed he used to have but he’s a hell of a lot stronger than he used to be.
Still can fly though, his strides are long and effortless so it doesn’t necessarily look like it.
Brady should have made a better throw. Oh well, tough to complain too much about 33-7
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 7, 2019 14:15:56 GMT -5
Great burst? No that is an Edelman type guy and that isn't Gordon, he's not on that level. He's not an elite slot WR and they have been using him as a slot WR. Tons and tons of short passes in which he took a beating, which caused a knee injury. Can Gordon get separation and get open deep? We got to see that multiple times as Brady actually went deep a lot in this game. The guy isn't a 100% and banged up and he got wide open. The other team was doubling him everytime he went deep. I haven't seen a conditioning issue since last year when he joined the team for the first few games. He'd go deep and they'd have to remove him. That hasn't happened this year. He literally asked out after the Brady over-throw. He doesn’t have the speed he used to have. He was listed as questionable till Friday and was on the injury report all week. He is banged up and not 100%. Kinda a weird time to be judging a guy on what he can do. He played 86% of the snaps, only five less than Brady who played 92%. I really don't know what to say to you. He just showed you elite speed for a guy his size, getting crazy wide open and you want to claim he doesn't have the speed he used to. That is likely true, he's not 22 year old Gordon, the NFLs best WR. Yet that doesn't mean he can't get separation and doesn't have very good speed anymore. He is also an elite 50-50 guy, so he doesn't even need to get crazy wide open. Very good things happen when you go deep to Gordon multiple times a game! |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 7, 2019 19:14:08 GMT -5
I saw a preseason ranking of top deep threats and Gordon was #9. Pretty sure he had of the best average/catch last year.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 7, 2019 20:39:30 GMT -5
With all the noise out there about the Pats trading for a top WR I am beginning to think we are going to see it happen.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 7, 2019 23:30:48 GMT -5
Don one bad game in which Indy played great and Mahomes got hurt isn't grounds to dismiss them as not a good team, IMO Indy played out of their minds, but I really don't trust the Chiefs defense. Their offense will beat you senseless, but if that defense is just going to get pushed around it might not matter much how unreal Mahomes is. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 8, 2019 0:13:14 GMT -5
Chiefs also allow like 5.5 YPC, until they reduce that I have zero worries about them
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 8, 2019 9:39:14 GMT -5
He literally asked out after the Brady over-throw. He doesn’t have the speed he used to have. He was listed as questionable till Friday and was on the injury report all week. He is banged up and not 100%. Kinda a weird time to be judging a guy on what he can do. He played 86% of the snaps, only five less than Brady who played 92%. I really don't know what to say to you. He just showed you elite speed for a guy his size, getting crazy wide open and you want to claim he doesn't have the speed he used to. That is likely true, he's not 22 year old Gordon, the NFLs best WR. Yet that doesn't mean he can't get separation and doesn't have very good speed anymore. He is also an elite 50-50 guy, so he doesn't even need to get crazy wide open. Very good things happen when you go deep to Gordon multiple times a game! I love how you turn every observation of a guy that’s not favorable to a total indictment on what someone thinks of said player. Also, getting wide open on a play doesn’t mean you’re great at creating separation. Izzo and LaCosse were wide open on Sunday too on a play. Hogan had plays where he was wide open. We’ll have to agree to disagree on Gordon’s separation. Gordon’s been good... I’m still waiting for him and Brady to get on the same page and be something special. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 8, 2019 10:02:54 GMT -5
Don one bad game in which Indy played great and Mahomes got hurt isn't grounds to dismiss them as not a good team, IMO Indy played out of their minds, but I really don't trust the Chiefs defense. Their offense will beat you senseless, but if that defense is just going to get pushed around it might not matter much how unreal Mahomes is. Yeah if the D can't stop the run it is a problem but the Pats aren't so great at running it right now either. We need Wynn back but the other guys play has fallen off also. Like Shaq Mason who is supposed to be one of the best has been terrible based on PFF grades and he isn't alone. I know they all work in tandem I just hope Dante can work his magic and Newhouse starts to get it, although he just doesn't have good feet. Can't fix slow feet during the season, he looks like he could lose some wt to help with his lack of quickness. Maybe they need to keep a TE in and or help with a chip block to cover it til Wynn comes back. Hopefully the extended time off between the next 2 games will help from both an injury and a coaching stand point. I know the Wr's could use the time to heal. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 8, 2019 13:13:44 GMT -5
www.patriots.com/team/injury-report/He was listed as questionable till Friday and was on the injury report all week. He is banged up and not 100%. Kinda a weird time to be judging a guy on what he can do. He played 86% of the snaps, only five less than Brady who played 92%. I really don't know what to say to you. He just showed you elite speed for a guy his size, getting crazy wide open and you want to claim he doesn't have the speed he used to. That is likely true, he's not 22 year old Gordon, the NFLs best WR. Yet that doesn't mean he can't get separation and doesn't have very good speed anymore. He is also an elite 50-50 guy, so he doesn't even need to get crazy wide open. Very good things happen when you go deep to Gordon multiple times a game! I love how you turn every observation of a guy that’s not favorable to a total indictment on what someone thinks of said player. Also, getting wide open on a play doesn’t mean you’re great at creating separation. Izzo and LaCosse were wide open on Sunday too on a play. Hogan had plays where he was wide open. We’ll have to agree to disagree on Gordon’s separation. Gordon’s been good... I’m still waiting for him and Brady to get on the same page and be something special. Umm if you think Gordon has been good not great maybe you should pick your words a little more carefully. You basically full out trashed the guy! Saying he doesn't get separation down field, lacks burst, lacks athleticism and has poor conditioning. That seems like a total indictment of what you think of Gordon. He's gotten open down field all year, they just haven't gone vertical much till last game. He got open vertical all last year. He does it always being covered by top CBs and getting doubled teamed more than anyone on the team. This isn't broken coverage or some great play that created a huge mistake that gets him wide open. He can get by his guy and was fast enough to get wide open before safety help could get there. I truly don't know what to say when you bring up Izzo and LaCosse. No body fears those guys and they get left open, it's a massive slam on Gordon to compare his great play to a guy like Izzo just getting left unguarded in the endzone. What's next Bolden is better because a great play call got him matched up on a crazy slow LB? It's like last year all over again, you clearly aren't a Gordon fan. Given our current offense I just don't see how you'll ever see something special. They'll have to make changes and go vertical more like 2007 when Brady would always make sure to take a bunch of shots to Moss every game. Frankly I don't even know if Brady is capable of doing that anymore. He really hasn't looked good all season. Still making plays he's just been off all year, missing easy throws, those two end zone interceptions were horrible, and holding the ball a long time without throwing it away. I don't know if I've seen Brady put together a bunch of good series in a row all season. The line and RB play certainly has played a part, yet it doesn't tell the full story. I would also guess the big issue of not changing the offense to feature Gordon more would be you can't count on him. He gets suspended again we don't have anyone to replace him. |
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