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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 8, 2019 13:38:24 GMT -5
With all the noise out there about the Pats trading for a top WR I am beginning to think we are going to see it happen. What do you think the chances are Gordon can play the whole year without getting suspended? It kinda crazy that the trade deadline is coming up quick. With Gordon I don't see a huge need. I would play the young guys and force Brady to develop chemistry, something he seems like he doesn't want to do. Like watching the chemistry between Stidham and Meyers, then Brady and Meyers is night and day. If they are going to target a guy Sanders is the guy I go after. Yet I'd prefer a playmaking TE if you can get one, but Sanders would be a great fit.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 8, 2019 13:55:56 GMT -5
With all the noise out there about the Pats trading for a top WR I am beginning to think we are going to see it happen. What do you think the chances are Gordon can play the whole year without getting suspended? It kinda crazy that the trade deadline is coming up quick. With Gordon I don't see a huge need. I would play the young guys and force Brady to develop chemistry, something he seems like he doesn't want to do. Like watching the chemistry between Stidham and Meyers, then Brady and Meyers is night and day. If they are going to target a guy Sanders is the guy I go after. Yet I'd prefer a playmaking TE if you can get one, but Sanders would be a great fit. I have thought the same all along about the guys we have but the top 3 are all hurt now to some degree. I cracked the cartiledge in my ribs years ago and that can freakn hurt for months. Hamstrings and knees are also tough. After that it is Myers and maybe they should make Tom develop chemistry. If they don't get a WR then they could try for another TE. I don't know it just seems the O needs a little help. Yes I am bullish on Gordon playing the year. Have you noticed him talking to the media a lot? I think that is a good thing and could help him stay straight, shows stability and confidence. Pats will have a tough game in Baltimore on 11/3, that should be the first real challenging game and after that Wynn can return. So HOPEFULLY that is the only game they have to play without him. Thank you Indy, that KC loss is going to matter.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 9, 2019 9:42:34 GMT -5
What?
USA Today power rankings has Lions at #4.
Espn has them at #16.
Really? Shaking my head!! Is Nate Davis, the USA writer, from Detroit? What a joke!
Yes I have too much time on my hands right how.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 9, 2019 11:35:59 GMT -5
What do you think the chances are Gordon can play the whole year without getting suspended? It kinda crazy that the trade deadline is coming up quick. With Gordon I don't see a huge need. I would play the young guys and force Brady to develop chemistry, something he seems like he doesn't want to do. Like watching the chemistry between Stidham and Meyers, then Brady and Meyers is night and day. If they are going to target a guy Sanders is the guy I go after. Yet I'd prefer a playmaking TE if you can get one, but Sanders would be a great fit. I have thought the same all along about the guys we have but the top 3 are all hurt now to some degree. I cracked the cartiledge in my ribs years ago and that can freakn hurt for months. Hamstrings and knees are also tough. After that it is Myers and maybe they should make Tom develop chemistry. If they don't get a WR then they could try for another TE. I don't know it just seems the O needs a little help. Yes I am bullish on Gordon playing the year. Have you noticed him talking to the media a lot? I think that is a good thing and could help him stay straight, shows stability and confidence. Pats will have a tough game in Baltimore on 11/3, that should be the first real challenging game and after that Wynn can return. So HOPEFULLY that is the only game they have to play without him. Thank you Indy, that KC loss is going to matter. Edlemen and Gordon look like they will be able to play through the injuries and be fine. I was worried after the Bills game, but both looked a lot better last game. They are limiting them in practice, but the short week sucks! Dorsetts injury is kinda huge. He looked so good as a #3. Yet against the Bills when our top two were injured and he was asked to step up he was horrible. Nine targets, two catches, ten yards. He looked like Dorsett from early last year when he was a top 2 guy and wasn't very good. Now depending on how bad the injury is, he might not be back till the trade deadline. So how good is Dorsett? He seems to struggle when he gets a bunch of targets and excells when he's the forgotten man and gets only a few targets. If you can make the money work, I'll take Sanders all day long. He's the perfect fit, like Tate would have been last year. He can play the slot and outside WR. It just really comes down to money and are TE and OL bigger needs? How do they feel about Neal? I'd also worry about RB with Mike Reiss speculating that Harris having issues with pass blocking is the reason we haven't seen him. So he's in the doghouse and that isn't good. Burkhead is a heck of a player, like he really adds a lot to our offense with his ability to run and catch the ball. Yet he's injured a ton. Bolden has done well catching the ball, but is a horrible runner like he has been for years. Nevermind someone needs to explain to me why Bolden is the #1 kickoff guy over Gunner it makes zero sense to me.
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Post by costpet on Oct 9, 2019 18:51:54 GMT -5
I saw today that AB said that since the Pats have to pay him, why not let him play? If Goodall is not going to suspend him, that could be that receiver they need. Brady would love it. Bb would love it. I know, hold your nose. Thoughts?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 10, 2019 7:06:55 GMT -5
Not a chance it happens. It's no given he gets his money, people are split. I've seen no way he gets it, then 100% he gets his Raider and Patriot money. Comes down to if the extra language in the contract is enforceable. The side that thinks he gets paid says it's not and doesn't understand why teams even put it in. Saying the Patriots were stupid. We'll see, the Patriots usually aren't stupid, usually they are the opposite of that.
If he gets his money after what he did, the NFL needs to change the rules!
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Post by texs31 on Oct 10, 2019 7:44:55 GMT -5
Hear more and more that once the Pat's played him, they lost a LOT of leverage. You're right though, still remains to be seen.
As for his return, nope. If nothing else, that tweet about RJK burned that bridge.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 10, 2019 8:43:25 GMT -5
I saw today that AB said that since the Pats have to pay him, why not let him play? If Goodall is not going to suspend him, that could be that receiver they need. Brady would love it. Bb would love it. I know, hold your nose. Thoughts? I wouldn’t have cut him in the first place so I’d take him back no question. But I also would have taken Aaron Hernandez back so I’m the wrong guy to ask. I’m shameless in that regard.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 10, 2019 8:53:02 GMT -5
The Patriots offensive line is 90% of the issue on offense right now. It’s not opening holes consistently especially when teams know they are running. Not having Gronk is part of it but more so is the line. Wynn coming back and hopefully Mason getting healthy would make a big difference. They clearly miss Andrews too but Karras will be fine with a healthy Mason and Wynn.
Brady has limited time which affects him and everything else. Newhouse started off serviceable but the last 2 games have been god awful.
They won’t with a SB even with the defense playing how they are without the line getting better. The defense can’t play this way against a top offense if the offense is consistently having short drives.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 10, 2019 9:37:10 GMT -5
I saw today that AB said that since the Pats have to pay him, why not let him play? If Goodall is not going to suspend him, that could be that receiver they need. Brady would love it. Bb would love it. I know, hold your nose. Thoughts? First. Public apology to the owner about comments. Second. Zero tolerance to ANY social media messaging. Third. Talk football with media and that is it. Lets go win a Super Bowl
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 10, 2019 9:56:14 GMT -5
I have thought the same all along about the guys we have but the top 3 are all hurt now to some degree. I cracked the cartiledge in my ribs years ago and that can freakn hurt for months. Hamstrings and knees are also tough. After that it is Myers and maybe they should make Tom develop chemistry. If they don't get a WR then they could try for another TE. I don't know it just seems the O needs a little help. Yes I am bullish on Gordon playing the year. Have you noticed him talking to the media a lot? I think that is a good thing and could help him stay straight, shows stability and confidence. Pats will have a tough game in Baltimore on 11/3, that should be the first real challenging game and after that Wynn can return. So HOPEFULLY that is the only game they have to play without him. Thank you Indy, that KC loss is going to matter. Edlemen and Gordon look like they will be able to play through the injuries and be fine. I was worried after the Bills game, but both looked a lot better last game. They are limiting them in practice, but the short week sucks! Dorsetts injury is kinda huge. He looked so good as a #3. Yet against the Bills when our top two were injured and he was asked to step up he was horrible. Nine targets, two catches, ten yards. He looked like Dorsett from early last year when he was a top 2 guy and wasn't very good. Now depending on how bad the injury is, he might not be back till the trade deadline. So how good is Dorsett? He seems to struggle when he gets a bunch of targets and excells when he's the forgotten man and gets only a few targets. If you can make the money work, I'll take Sanders all day long. He's the perfect fit, like Tate would have been last year. He can play the slot and outside WR. It just really comes down to money and are TE and OL bigger needs? How do they feel about Neal? I'd also worry about RB with Mike Reiss speculating that Harris having issues with pass blocking is the reason we haven't seen him. So he's in the doghouse and that isn't good. Burkhead is a heck of a player, like he really adds a lot to our offense with his ability to run and catch the ball. Yet he's injured a ton. Bolden has done well catching the ball, but is a horrible runner like he has been for years. Nevermind someone needs to explain to me why Bolden is the #1 kickoff guy over Gunner it makes zero sense to me. The Pats should win this game so easily now that the top 2 RBs, TE and WR are all out it is like the Giants know they are going to lose so why not rest guys who are injured. The D will dominate and the Gmen will have a hard time getting a 1st down. Well the Pats are in the same position. All 3 of their top WRs need that extra time off to heal, almost like they get an extra bye week. Plus their are other guys who need to heal. Game plan should be to run the ball 35+ times as they need the work and throw a bunch to the TEs and Myers. Use this game as a practice on the things that need work. It could force some chemistry between Tom and some guys he needs to trust. If it works great if it doesn't then we are back where we are right now. They will win anyways. I hope when Wynn comes back he fixes the line and that Harry is a difference maker. I also trust Dante will fix things, right now he is working with guys who weren't even here for training camp. So I see the need being at TE, especially since they decided Watson wasn't much of an upgrade over what they have.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 10, 2019 10:10:51 GMT -5
Looking at some rushing statistics in conjunction with Matt Dolloff's Package Report:
In the 2 games that the Pats used the most 2TE sets (12 and 22 packages), Sony Michel had his best running games. His 2 worst performances (wks 1 and 3) they never used those sets at all. Not sure what this tells me but here are some possible conclusions (previous year's data would clear this up . . . a bit):
1. Sony requires 2 TEs blocking to be productive (would need to see if the trend was similar last year) 2. Pats have to replace Gronk with 2 TEs (maybe if Sony was better with only 1 TE last year that might validate that thought) 3. As RJP suggests, the OL is killing them this year (if there is a general downward trend in all packages from a rushing standpoint).
Not sure the OL is getting fixed outside of Wynn coming back and just more time. Someone had once suggested getting a C, moving Thuney to LT and Karras to LG but Bedard's Breakdowns seemed to show that Mason/Cannon were often part of the problem (just going by general run blow-up stats which don't account for generally smaller holes).
Anyway. Not sure why I posted this as it doesn't get us to a conclusion but in my intial "the stats support my narrative" analysis is that getting a better TE is the way to go. Keep hearing the name OJ Howard (people pining for him - not that there is an actual rumor).
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 10, 2019 11:11:04 GMT -5
The fullback Johnson should get in there also, he needs reps to improve and gain some confidence. So with him and the TEs being a big part of the game plan it will allow for the WRs to rest more. Not only that but it is the area that needs the most attention. Like I said before, the Pats are winning this game no matter what they do.
The weather should be interesting.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 10, 2019 16:44:20 GMT -5
Burkhead is out... I’d really like to get some Damien Harris tonight.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 10, 2019 18:14:08 GMT -5
Both are inactive
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 10, 2019 19:37:44 GMT -5
Newhouse sucks so bad... might have to try Dan Skipper or Thuney
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 10, 2019 20:36:40 GMT -5
The only thing worse than this O-line is McDaniels’ playcalling.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 10, 2019 20:39:27 GMT -5
The only thing worse than this O-line is McDaniels’ playcalling. You mean Brady
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 10, 2019 20:40:40 GMT -5
Everyone is going to talk about how Brady had no weapons but he got Gordon hurt so let’s not do that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 10, 2019 20:40:58 GMT -5
Let's hope Gordon is OK that didn't look good.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Oct 10, 2019 20:53:03 GMT -5
They start feeding James White and score a quick TD, shocking...
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 10, 2019 21:23:17 GMT -5
Bolden - just a special teams player.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 10, 2019 21:30:49 GMT -5
McDaniels with as bad of a 3rd down playcall as you’ll ever see. He really is a bozo sometimes.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 10, 2019 21:45:34 GMT -5
And he finds a way to make an even worse playcall. He’s a trash coordinator.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2019 4:43:56 GMT -5
Yep, being 6-0 and only winning by 21 is trash.
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