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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 11, 2019 6:20:57 GMT -5
We are super spoiled around here, but the offense hasn’t been what we come to expect. It’s early and it looks worse because the defense has been so good. There are big issues that need to be fixed. Not sure how much blame I can put on McDaniels but I don’t like a lot of play calling. I don’t know how much is by design and how much is your hands being tied. I’m convinced he does things that make it harder in the moment for the long term good.
It’s nice to see Sony in the passing game... it makes a difference. He’s even been confused as being James White on a couple plays which is a good sign.
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Post by ryan24 on Oct 11, 2019 6:29:42 GMT -5
Knowing what we know right now. What do you project for final end of season record? Not looking at playoffs yet.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 11, 2019 6:30:09 GMT -5
I say this knowing nothing about how Watson looked in practice last week but....
They need to move on from LaCosse. It’s too bad because he’s actually looked solid when he’s been in there but he’s banged up and can’t stay on the field and these injuries aren’t ones that will go away.
Also, Izzo was drafted to be a blocking tight end and he blows as a blocker. He’s done ok as a receiver but man... Allen is a free agent.... is it worth bringing him back for his blocking if he will take a minimum deal?
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 11, 2019 6:31:23 GMT -5
Knowing what we know right now. What do you project for final end of season record? Not looking at playoffs yet. I can see anything from 13-3 to 15-1
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Post by ryan24 on Oct 11, 2019 6:37:06 GMT -5
We are super spoiled around here, but the offense hasn’t been what we come to expect. It’s early and it looks worse because the defense has been so good. There are big issues that need to be fixed. Not sure how much blame I can put on McDaniels but I don’t like a lot of play calling. I don’t know how much is by design and how much is your hands being tied. I’m convinced he does things that make it harder in the moment for the long term good. It’s nice to see Sony in the passing game... it makes a difference. He’s even been confused as being James White on a couple plays which is a good sign. I think his hands are tied somewhat. With the shape of the O line how much confidence does he have that they can handle certain play calls? The receivers seem to be a jumble with no clear cut option to throw to in key spots. So what does he call? lastly, Brady probably is not the guy he was a couple of years ago. Can he still make the necessary plays in key spots? Not down grading TB. Maybe it is the o line and receivers jumble that is causing Brady to look not so good.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 11, 2019 6:51:14 GMT -5
We are super spoiled around here, but the offense hasn’t been what we come to expect. It’s early and it looks worse because the defense has been so good. There are big issues that need to be fixed. Not sure how much blame I can put on McDaniels but I don’t like a lot of play calling. I don’t know how much is by design and how much is your hands being tied. I’m convinced he does things that make it harder in the moment for the long term good. It’s nice to see Sony in the passing game... it makes a difference. He’s even been confused as being James White on a couple plays which is a good sign. I think his hands are tied somewhat. With the shape of the O line how much confidence does he have that they can handle certain play calls? The receivers seem to be a jumble with no clear cut option to throw to in key spots. So what does he call? lastly, Brady probably is not the guy he was a couple of years ago. Can he still make the necessary plays in key spots? Not down grading TB. Maybe it is the o line and receivers jumble that is causing Brady to look not so good. The O-line is definitely the biggest issue, but if that’s the case, don’t do a backwards toss to a running back on 3rd and 3. He’s trying to run these tricky little screen plays that would work if the offense is clicking. But it’s not. Fix the O-line (which I think is will happen with the extra rest they’ll have) and then go from there.
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Post by costpet on Oct 11, 2019 8:16:36 GMT -5
When Endelman finally calls it quits, I could see Meyers taking his place as a slot receiver and doing it well.
I think they are desperate for Wynn to come back.
They need another wide receiver and quick. Maybe Harry will be the one.
Has any quarterback ever done more with less? Montana had Rice for years. Brady has Moss for one.
Really happy for Wicho.
Counting on Defense to score once a game. Never thought i’d ever think that.
8 and 0 looks like it’s in the bag. Then the real fun begins.
I hope that last game of the season with Buffalo means nothing.
Boring Sunday coming up.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 11, 2019 9:19:47 GMT -5
When Endelman finally calls it quits, I could see Meyers taking his place as a slot receiver and doing it well. I think they are desperate for Wynn to come back. They need another wide receiver and quick. Maybe Harry will be the one. Has any quarterback ever done more with less? Montana had Rice for years. Brady has Moss for one. Really happy for Wicho. Counting on Defense to score once a game. Never thought i’d ever think that. 8 and 0 looks like it’s in the bag. Then the real fun begins. I hope that last game of the season with Buffalo means nothing. Boring Sunday coming up. Brady has typically always had help. People act like he’s had nothing. Sure, years here and there but overall he’s had good to great weapons. I don’t know why people act like every other team has top weapons up and down their roster.... plus, Brady’s unheralded weapon has been the offensive line which changes everything... when it’s not there you see what happens and that’s what many of these other QBs deal with year in and year out.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 11, 2019 10:51:22 GMT -5
Ryan Izzo looked like a horrible blocker, on both pass and run plays. He might be a willing blocker, but he's not very good.
I'm torn on the instant replay of pass interference. Like I didn't want those 50-50 calls being overturned, because almost every play has contact. At the same time that Jones play was 100% clear as day. He had his hands all over him well before the ball was there. I don't see how you debate that call, he wasn't going for the ball. If that's a no call on a final drive in the playoffs it's going to be a huge issue.
How much of our kicking issues is the rookie holder? Like he spun the laces towards the kicker on that missed FG and it's not the first time it's happened. Then Bill doesn't trust the kicking game and goes for it on 4th down. It's going to cost us a game if he can't fix that and he's already had like 6 months working on it.
The OL hasn't been good, but the holdovers, guys who should be really good are a big reason why. Like if Mason, Thunney, and Cannon were playing well it wouldn't be bad. They aren't though. Add in that the TEs can't block, after having two elite TE blockers last year. The issue with the line might be TE just as much at it is the OL.
McDanniels play calling was so so, but it was all setting things up and wearing down the D. So many short plays, they crowded the line like crazy, which then opened up some bigger plays down field. It worked against that D, but they need to get better. Good news is Brady looked like a different QB in the 2nd half, after that horrible stretch in the first half. Forcing Brady to use Meyers will be huge as the seasons goes on. The kid has got major game!
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 11, 2019 12:26:17 GMT -5
Bolden - just a special teams player. Bolden looked very good.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 11, 2019 12:36:10 GMT -5
As far as the play calling goes I think they did what I suggested they do. Work on the things that need work like the running game. They were going to win one way or another so use it as a game to work on stuff'
It is interesting to watch, thinking they are playing terrible but then they win by 21. More importantly the absolutely dominated based on stats. If you didn't watch the game and just checked the stats you would think they played a great game.
27-10 1st downs 2 to 1 time of possession Brady 75% completion %
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 11, 2019 12:47:53 GMT -5
Bolden - just a special teams player. Bolden looked very good. He did and he is what he is. Which isn’t a top back up but a valuable guy at the back of a rotation providing depth who can add both as a runner and pass catcher when used properly. He’s also good at pass protection.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 11, 2019 12:59:14 GMT -5
That's the problem with Stats sometimes, the offense wasn't very good. The defense had four turnovers, which helped hide the two by the offense and was a huge reason we had all those yards and time of possession.
It allowed us to wear down a crappy defense in the 2nd half.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 11, 2019 13:52:48 GMT -5
Glad they have extra time off and have a weak Jets team next, that O needs something. Drew Rosenhas is meeting with Kraft, I'm hoping for a return of AB. Yes I know I have no scrupals but I do like winning.
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Post by costpet on Oct 11, 2019 16:01:33 GMT -5
In the era of Trump, you don’t need scruples. Make America scrupuless again. I gave mine away.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 11, 2019 22:35:52 GMT -5
In the era of Trump, you don’t need scruples. Make America scrupuless again. I gave mine away. No doubt many have.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 12, 2019 4:49:10 GMT -5
Another FB goes to the IR. This O is in trouble.
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Post by costpet on Oct 12, 2019 6:57:34 GMT -5
Opens up a roster spot.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 12, 2019 9:56:20 GMT -5
Ben Watson anyone?
How about Dez Bryant? Or Megatron, that would be nice.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 12, 2019 10:14:30 GMT -5
Ben Watson anyone? How about Dez Bryant? Or Megatron, that would be nice. Gronk!
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Oct 12, 2019 10:46:54 GMT -5
Knowing what we know right now. What do you project for final end of season record? Not looking at playoffs yet. Before the year began I looked at the schedule and noticed the first 8 weeks and the last 3 were all relatively easy games and I expected to win all of them. After the bye week week 9 there is 5 weeks that make up the meat of the schedule. I assumed 3-2 before the year began. I'm sticking with my original assessment, and go with 14-2. Otherwise, I think it's as likely they go 13-3 (Losing one of the easy games or going 2-3 after the bye week as it is for them to go 15-1.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 12, 2019 12:38:11 GMT -5
I don't think they'll lose any of the easy games, but games of concern will be @baltimore, @kc and @philly and even the home game vs Buffalo. They aren't going to go all out in those games because they like to surprise teams in the playoffs, especially the AFC teams they may meet. But they'll win at least 2 of those so I'll stick with 14-2. They're actually outpacing the 2007 season for point differential, but this schedule has been historically easy so far. Does the NFL have a tanking problem? Sure seems like it.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 13, 2019 10:04:57 GMT -5
I never in my life have seen a fair catch free kick and didn't know it was a rule. Carolina just caught a fair catch on a punt with 1 second left in the half at the 50 and were allowed to attempt a kickoff style field goal attempt with no rush from that spot. Just missed. And I watch just about every NFL game that's on tv. Anyone ever see that?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 13, 2019 13:43:01 GMT -5
I don't think they'll lose any of the easy games, but games of concern will be @baltimore, @kc and @philly and even the home game vs Buffalo. They aren't going to go all out in those games because they like to surprise teams in the playoffs, especially the AFC teams they may meet. But they'll win at least 2 of those so I'll stick with 14-2. They're actually outpacing the 2007 season for point differential, but this schedule has been historically easy so far. Does the NFL have a tanking problem? Sure seems like it. Out of all the major sports the NFL easily has the least issue with tanking. Injuries can make teams bad in the NFL in a hurry. The Jets suck for example, but how could you think they were tanking? They signed Bell and Mosley in the off-season. Then we play them, Mosley is injured, so is there OB and 2nd string QB, plus there top two WRs. Almost all teams try to win, there are just a lot of bad GMs. Like the one team you could say was tanking is the Dolphins. Yet they have 55 million in dead money. Still went out and got a veteran QB and played him over Rosen for weeks. Knowing that coach he wants to win, yet had to gut the team to change the crappy team culture. Looking at the bad teams by record you think Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Washington, Denver, etc were trying to tank? A team like the Giants trade OBJ, yet sign Golden Tate. Yet we play them and their top two RBs are injured, along with the #2 WR and #1 TE.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Oct 13, 2019 15:45:40 GMT -5
I never in my life have seen a fair catch free kick and didn't know it was a rule. Carolina just caught a fair catch on a punt with 1 second left in the half at the 50 and were allowed to attempt a kickoff style field goal attempt with no rush from that spot. Just missed. And I watch just about every NFL game that's on tv. Anyone ever see that? I have definitely seen it before, but I forget where. It might have been in Denver but it seems like something the Rams would have done. It definitely happened in the last decade I believe.
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