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2019 Patriots Regular season thread
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 21, 2019 23:19:35 GMT -5
Imagine drafting Sam Darnold with the third overall pick. And trading up to do it too.
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Post by marrcus on Oct 22, 2019 1:47:44 GMT -5
So were the Pats. They got almost nothing from TE with Watson going 3/5 on targets. This wasn't a complicated offense they threw out there last night and had nyj been able to put anything together and stop seeing ghosts it might have been competitive (like I thought it might be. post Dallas). Sony got the TD's but had an average game at best.
Trading deadline a week from this afternoon and I would guess they'd like a tackle, TE, WR. We'll see what they can come up with capwise?
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Post by texs31 on Oct 22, 2019 6:08:33 GMT -5
NE getting Sanu for a 2nd, per Schefter.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 22, 2019 6:14:29 GMT -5
NE getting Sanu for a 2nd, per Schefter. Good snag... under contract next year too
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 22, 2019 6:16:16 GMT -5
He’s at 6.5m next year. If he does well in this offense it’s a pretty team friendly deal.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 22, 2019 6:50:07 GMT -5
Imagine drafting Sam Darnold with the third overall pick. And trading up to do it too. Imagine drafting Trubisky moving up to the 2 spot and then Pat Mahomes and Deshawn Watson are drafted 10 picks later. They traded the #3, 67, 111 and a third in 2018. All to move up 1 spot.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 22, 2019 7:50:04 GMT -5
I thought Jakobi Meyers looked great last night. In his last 2 games, he has caught 9 passes on 9 targets for 101 yards.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 22, 2019 9:16:06 GMT -5
I thought Jakobi Meyers looked great last night. In his last 2 games, he has caught 9 passes on 9 targets for 101 yards. He’s getting better.... his route against the zone on the first third down conversion on drive 1 was huge. Then his block on Edelmans third down conversion on the same drive was really good. He had missed zone reads and blocks earlier in the year. He also destroyed the corner on a move later in the game and got a PI call on what would have been a 70 yard (?) touchdown.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 22, 2019 9:58:38 GMT -5
Imagine drafting Trubisky moving up to the 2 spot and then Pat Mahomes and Deshawn Watson are drafted 10 picks later. They traded the #3, 67, 111 and a third in 2018. All to move up 1 spot. Ok you got me, that's worse lol. But the Jets pick they traded became Quenton Nelson who might be the best OL player of all time. I mean both trades were exceedingly stupid when they happened and haven't looked any better since then.
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Post by philarhody on Oct 22, 2019 11:15:23 GMT -5
Sanu is a pretty good player, although I don’t love this trade as it relates to Harry having any sort of impact this season
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 22, 2019 11:33:14 GMT -5
I'm shocked they traded a 2nd round pick for Sanu. Good player, but I never thought he was that good. Always thought of him as a guy like Meyer, big possession receiver who can play inside and out. Wouldn't Sanders been a much better fit? Does this mean no Harry this season?
I didn't watch the Jets vs Dallas, but I watched Dallas beat up on the Eagles. They looked like a really good team. That Dallas D looked good and Darnold had a huge game versus them. So the only conclusion I have is our D is just elite. Like Baltimore Ravens with Ray Lewis when they won a Championship with Trent Dilfer type good.
Not a great sign that you didn't even notice Bennett wasn't playing.
I'm not going to stop with McCourty is overpaid and doesn't make big plays now. It's really working, like RJP betting the Jets to win straight up. Sorry man, that was over in the first quarter, but we do appreciate the gesture and good luck.
I still think Bolden is a crap runner, but he has looked very good catching the ball. Like I agree 100% with RJP I didn't think he had catches like that in him. I've never seen that from him before. Like not even close to anything like that.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 22, 2019 13:20:18 GMT -5
That's ok. Whoever they were going to draft in the 2nd round will still be there in the 6th.
And I agree about that one Bolden catch especially. It was a back shoulder pass and he looked like he had been doing that for years. You don't usually see running backs do that.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 22, 2019 13:37:25 GMT -5
One of the more surprising things for me was that Wise seemed to be getting time as a 3T in the base 3-4 (started over Butler).
Not sure if Sanu spells the end of Harry? First, I doubt they'd burn the DTR and not get him in there. Also, I wonder if Gordon is more hurt than we think. Lastly, someone pointed out that it was interesting that they had Edelman field the Free Kick. Seems like that would've been Gunner but maybe they're getting Julian back into game reps of fielding punts?
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Post by texs31 on Oct 22, 2019 13:52:59 GMT -5
For Comp sake, Denver has just traded Sanders and a 5th (2020) to SF for a 3rd and 4th.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Oct 22, 2019 15:21:07 GMT -5
For Comp sake, Denver has just traded Sanders and a 5th (2020) to SF for a 3rd and 4th. I wonder if there are different contracts that would explain the price difference. Sanders is on a 3 year $33 million deal that ends this season I believe and Sanu is on a 5 year $32.5 million deal that ends after next season I believe.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 22, 2019 15:39:59 GMT -5
Very much so King. Sanders has a bigger cap hit and is a rental. That will invariably be cheaper in the trade market.
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Post by dmaineah on Oct 22, 2019 19:50:51 GMT -5
Trading for a WR surprised me. I wonder if Gordon is about to be suspended again
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 23, 2019 6:21:28 GMT -5
An under the radar move yesterday was cutting Jordan Richards and signing Justin Bethel. Bethel is arguably the best special teams player in football (Slater would have something to say there too but comment for emphasis). The Ravens cut him, not because his play slipped, but because they preserved a 4th rd Comp pick next year by doing so. On one hand, I get that you wouldn’t likely trade a 4th rd pick for a special teams player, but on the other hand the guys on your team and is really really good and you’re supposed to be a SB contender. Weird message. Regardless, the Patriots just had a huge upgrade on special teams where you could say the coverage hasn’t been great. Now it just may be.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 23, 2019 9:14:19 GMT -5
Trading for a WR surprised me. I wonder if Gordon is about to be suspended again No idea why you find it surprising or why you wonder if Gordon is getting suspended again. Gordon has had injuries so that's one receiver who's questionable. They had Antonio Brown for a game and he's gone, so that's two wide receivers down. They let Thomas go to the Jets, so that's another receiver they don't have. Dorsett has had injuries. Gronk who was good for a number of catches per year has been replaced at tight end by guys who are....not Gronk (but then again who is?). Meyers is a young player new to the offense. That's a lot of questions on wide receivers, so I wouldn't think it would be surprising the Patriots would go after a receiver. Edelman has battled injuries and if he went down they'd be in extreme trouble. They definitely needed a quality receiver for Brady to throw to, and it's been rumored for quite a long time that they were interested in Sanders or Sanu.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 23, 2019 9:27:18 GMT -5
Receiver was a need
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 23, 2019 10:54:14 GMT -5
You could use an upgrade at WR to protect against injuries, add depth and just in case Gordon can't make it a full season. Sanu can be a #2 in a way Dorsett doesn't seem able too. Meyers, White and Watson all got more targets with Gordon out than Dorsett. Fully healthy you now have Meyers and Dorsett as your #4 and #5 WRs. If you can fix the OL you could go five WRs and see if a team has enough DBs to cover those guys. WR made sense.
Yet I still think they got the wrong guy. Like Sanu can be a quality #2, but Sanders was more like a #1. He cost less in trade and likely nets a high comp pick. Now Sanders did cost like 3 million more, basically the difference if you trade Bennett. So we'll see if they plan on keeping Bennett or making another move that they needed money for. That could certainly change the way this trade looks. Yet a 2nd round pick still seems crazy for what Sanu is. Like next year you'll make Meyers and Harry, guys that are very similar to Sanu. So I don't get paying so much for an extra year. The Broncos are so bad that 5th round pick will be very high and that 4th will likely be rather low. It's like trading a 3rd and a 6th round pick, knowing you likely get back a 3rd or 4th in a year if he leaves.
Is 6.5 million really a team friendly amount for Sanu? For example Golden Tate just got 4 years 37 million, just over 9 million a year. He's twice the WR Sanu is in my book, he's a #1 not a #2. Jones a very good slot CB, played great against Tate, yet Tate still made huge plays in that game. Now maybe I'm wrong, but I've never seen Sanu as that type of WR. Yet I felt Sanders was that guy. Like Edelman, it doesn't matter who defends them, they can still make plays. Solid addition, yet I thought the cost would be like a 4th for a guy like Sanu, maybe a third because of an extra year, not a 2nd though.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 23, 2019 10:58:54 GMT -5
Patriots have been trying to get Sanu for awhile so he just seems to be one of their guys.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 23, 2019 11:10:50 GMT -5
Imagine drafting Trubisky moving up to the 2 spot and then Pat Mahomes and Deshawn Watson are drafted 10 picks later. They traded the #3, 67, 111 and a third in 2018. All to move up 1 spot. Ok you got me, that's worse lol. But the Jets pick they traded became Quenton Nelson who might be the best OL player of all time. I mean both trades were exceedingly stupid when they happened and haven't looked any better since then. A week ago people were debating if Darnold would go #1 over Mayfield if you had a redraft. He looked that good against Dallas. So I wouldn't go crazy about him being a bust just yet. He's young and our defense has made every QB look horrible all year long. A young QB has likely never seen anything like what we are currently doing. Moving around so many guys, pressure coming from everywhere and everyone. You can't get good match-ups in the secondary because our #3 and #4 CBs are so good. I remember Payton Manning having games like this against us with tons of picks. As long as his confidence doesn't go, I think he'll be fine. He didn't get to really show it in that game, but Darnold has a great arm and can make all the throws. If they are Smart they build him a great offensive line so he has time to throw.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 23, 2019 11:12:43 GMT -5
Patriots have been trying to get Sanu for awhile so he just seems to be one of their guys. Same with Sanders though, they signed him to a restricted free agent deal the Steelers matched a long time ago.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Oct 23, 2019 11:16:04 GMT -5
You could use an upgrade at WR to protect against injuries, add depth and just in case Gordon can't make it a full season. Sanu can be a #2 in a way Dorsett doesn't seem able too. Meyers, White and Watson all got more targets with Gordon out than Dorsett. Fully healthy you now have Meyers and Dorsett as your #4 and #5 WRs. If you can fix the OL you could go five WRs and see if a team has enough DBs to cover those guys. WR made sense. Yet I still think they got the wrong guy. Like Sanu can be a quality #2, but Sanders was more like a #1. He cost less in trade and likely nets a high comp pick. Now Sanders did cost like 3 million more, basically the difference if you trade Bennett. So we'll see if they plan on keeping Bennett or making another move that they needed money for. That could certainly change the way this trade looks. Yet a 2nd round pick still seems crazy for what Sanu is. Like next year you'll make Meyers and Harry, guys that are very similar to Sanu. So I don't get paying so much for an extra year. The Broncos are so bad that 5th round pick will be very high and that 4th will likely be rather low. It's like trading a 3rd and a 6th round pick, knowing you likely get back a 3rd or 4th in a year if he leaves. Is 6.5 million really a team friendly amount for Sanu? For example Golden Tate just got 4 years 37 million, just over 9 million a year. He's twice the WR Sanu is in my book, he's a #1 not a #2. Jones a very good slot CB, played great against Tate, yet Tate still made huge plays in that game. Now maybe I'm wrong, but I've never seen Sanu as that type of WR. Yet I felt Sanders was that guy. Like Edelman, it doesn't matter who defends them, they can still make plays. Solid addition, yet I thought the cost would be like a 4th for a guy like Sanu, maybe a third because of an extra year, not a 2nd though. Sanders was a #1 quality WR a few years ago but I don't think he's on that level currently or going forward. He's still probably a better player and fit than Sanu, but I'm guessing salary and durability decided this one. I do think a 2nd round pick is a clear overpay fwiw. For the record, since the 2017 season, Sanu has been just as productive. He's played more games (but he probably will moving forward as well), and he's also been in a much better passing offense with a clearly superior QB, but he's also had to play a smaller role. The numbers the last 2.5 seasons: Sanders 148-234, 63.2 catch%, 1790 yds (12.09 Y/R) Sanu 166-232, 71.6 catch %, 1854 yds (11.17 Y/R) Also, Sanders can't bring back a 3rd or 4th rd comp pick, the best case scenario would be a 2021 5th rd comp pick since he'll be a 10 year vet.
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