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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 4, 2019 5:05:01 GMT -5
I'd bet $100 that they're throwing this game just to make teams stop trying to take them so seriously. I don't know about this but I do kind of feel that the Pats don't try every once in a while, almost as if they are throwing games. Perhaps they don't want to show Baltimore too much in case they have to play them later. Teams lay eggs once in a while, the Pats just laid an egg. Good timing for a week off and BB will use this as motivation. The NFL is a grind especially in NE where they work their butts off so it happens. At least they lost to a good team, take a look at GB yesterday against the Chargers. |
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Post by costpet on Nov 4, 2019 8:34:24 GMT -5
Jackson was remarkable yesterday, almost unstoppable. But, running quarterbacks usually don’t last long. After they get hit by 250 pound linebackers 50 times, they become pocket passers. He’ll learn after a couple of years.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 4, 2019 8:59:17 GMT -5
Jackson was remarkable yesterday, almost unstoppable. But, running quarterbacks usually don’t last long. After they get hit by 250 pound linebackers 50 times, they become pocket passers. He’ll learn after a couple of years. It only takes one big hit that he doesn't see coming and off to the IR he goes, that's BBs strategy against running QBs keep hitting them. RG3 getting crushed by Haloti Ngata comes to mind. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 4, 2019 10:08:01 GMT -5
Wow are the Jets bad!! Is Darnold going to be another swing and miss at QB? LOL
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 4, 2019 11:04:37 GMT -5
I'd bet $100 that they're throwing this game just to make teams stop trying to take them so seriously. I don't know about this but I do kind of feel that the Pats don't try every once in a while, almost as if they are throwing games. Perhaps they don't want to show Baltimore too much in case they have to play them later. Yeah, maybe they sucked yesterday on purpose so we don't have to hear about the "Will they have a perfect season like the 72 Dolphins?" nonsense. They get that monkey off their back I suppose. Honestly that was brutal watching the Ravens run all over them. I mean you knew that Jackson wasn't going deep on any of his throws. I didn't agree with Belichick playing it so conservative at the end of the 1st qtr, but I get it. Bottom line is there were too many unPatriots like penalties and Edelman's fumble hurt and worse, the defense broke down again after the Pats pulled to within 24-20. The game was just too uphill for them to climb, I suppose. As great as the Ravens were last night, if the Pats played them in January in Foxboro, I'd still take my chances with the Pats. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 4, 2019 11:52:06 GMT -5
I'm not surprised they struggled, that Ravens offense is unlike anything you will see in the NFL. First tough team of the year and it had to be the Ravens. That offense is the worst fit for our attacking D. We made a bunch of mistakes and the refs missed penalties on the Ravens in key spots, yet didn't with us. They illegal pick to give them a first down late in the game was massive and clear as day. Overall I'm not worried about the D.
Given the way the played, zero TEs playing on the line of scrimmage, I'm shocked they only played three WRs. Newhouse wasn't good again, but Brady had a ton of plays with plenty of time and no one open. They were having extra guys cover Edelman and Sanu, so where was Dorsett? The guy just disappears in games all the time. Gordon was never a non-factor like that. I would have played Meyers a lot more than one snap. Given his size he can make plays without having to be wide open. If you want to use Dorsett as a deep guy to make the defense spread out, you need to target him. If he can't get open for a whole game, he isn't doing anything to help the team. He's just so inconsistent.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 10, 2019 13:06:15 GMT -5
LOL Love it when NY teams struggle!!
1-7 Jets vs 2-7 Giants
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Post by kingofthetrill on Nov 10, 2019 15:08:12 GMT -5
Every once in a while I think about players that had an opportunity to sign with New England and didn't (mostly WR's as of late) and then look at their team's records and laugh.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 12, 2019 0:10:55 GMT -5
Holy nuts what a game just now.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 15, 2019 8:26:17 GMT -5
And the award for Least Patriots Team goes to: The Browns. Even when they win, they lose. Myles Garrett will be lucky to not be charged with actual assault. Looks like Freddie Kitchens went from underrated aw shucks coach finally getting his big break to dumpster fire in 10 seconds flat.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 15, 2019 8:35:52 GMT -5
And the award for Least Patriots Team goes to: The Browns. Even when they win, they lose. Myles Garrett will be lucky to not be charged with actual assault. Looks like Freddie Kitchens went from underrated aw shucks coach finally getting his big break to dumpster fire in 10 seconds flat. He crossed a line and should be suspended and fined heavily but charging him with assault would be a gross injustice. |
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Post by costpet on Nov 15, 2019 8:43:16 GMT -5
I’m guessing he’s gone for the rest of the season along with the balance of his paycheck.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 15, 2019 8:58:09 GMT -5
The fight got Aaron Hernandez trending on twitter since his Gator brother Pouncey went for street justice himself afterward.
I still think the Haynesworth headstomp was worse, and can't believe that got only 5 games.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 15, 2019 9:06:55 GMT -5
Here’s the reality as I see it with the Garrett situation.
1. Pittsburgh ran a play when the game was over and Rudolph got mad when Garrett played said play like Pittsburgh did.
2. Rudolph threw a hissy fit when Garrett tackled him in a “meaningless situation” that Pittsburgh ran a play during. He grabbed Garrett’s helmet and almost ripped it off when Garrett was getting up. Whether he was trying to or not is irrelevant - I’m not sure if he was or not.
3. After his own helmet almost was ripped off as he was getting up he grabbed Rudolph’s face mask and lifted him off the ground and pulled it off his head.
4. Garrett was pushed back by a Pittsburg lineman.
5. Rudolph again reacted to the situation and ran at Garrett who was being pushed back whole holding Rudolph’s helmet. As Rudolph ran at him agressively - Garrett while moving backwards swung the helmet down and struck Rudolph who was moving towards Garrett in the head.
Here’s the deal. Garrett was wrong. He needs to be severely punished by the NFL. HOWEVER, this is an extremely emotional game and we demand these players get them to a place where they can perform at the highest levels. Anyone who thinks you can just turn that off easily when a whistle blows has never been in an emotional competitively physical situation. Rudolph could have prevented the whole thing, first by just taking the hit like normally happens. Also, it wasn’t end a hard hit. Second he could have prevented it by walking away when he had no helmet instead of attacking a guy he never would attack on the street because he’d get destroyed. So he was a tough guy in a situation he felt safe. None of that excuses Garrett from a punishment standpoint but it’s all relevant and if you want to change a guy with assault for that then that’s crazy to me.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 15, 2019 10:22:17 GMT -5
Although it wasn't a hard hit he was dragged down well after the ball was gone, in his mind he shouldn't have been dragged down so he acted aggressively towards Garrett. Not saying anything about the right or wrong of that as Garrett didn't know if he had the ball or not and took him down.
Not sure I can agree with you on the part where you say he ran at him aggressively, don't get me wrong he Rudolph was stupid but he did just get his helmet ripped off violently. But there was a player holding Myles back and they were never far enough apart for their to be room for actually running at him.
Bad situation all the way around but Garrett just lost his mind at the wrong time, no excuses for attempting to bash someones head in with a helmet. And yes Rudolph should have retreated once his helmet was off and his linemen were their to take care of business.
I can relate as I have on more than one occasion lost my mind while playing a sport and yes it can be very difficult to manage the intensity.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 15, 2019 10:53:06 GMT -5
Although it wasn't a hard hit he was dragged down well after the ball was gone, in his mind he shouldn't have been dragged down so he acted aggressively towards Garrett. Not saying anything about the right or wrong of that as Garrett didn't know if he had the ball or not and took him down. Not sure I can agree with you on the part where you say he ran at him aggressively, don't get me wrong he Rudolph was stupid but he did just get his helmet ripped off violently. But there was a player holding Myles back and they were never far enough apart for their to be room for actually running at him. Bad situation all the way around but Garrett just lost his mind at the wrong time, no excuses for attempting to bash someones head in with a helmet. And yes Rudolph should have retreated once his helmet was off and his linemen were their to take care of business. I can relate as I have on more than one occasion lost my mind while playing a sport and yes it can be very difficult to manage the intensity. Rudolph’s helmet was ripped off at the 8 yard line and he got hit in the head by an off balance Garrett at the 2... 6 yards of running and Chasing after Garrett who was already separated from him.   |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 15, 2019 11:59:06 GMT -5
Garrett should be suspended for the rest of the season and honestly I wouldn't be mad if he got outright banned from the league. Don't swing a goddamn helmet at a dude, that's the equivalent of charging the mound with a bat in hand. It has no place in the sport.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 15, 2019 12:15:06 GMT -5
Indefinite suspension for Garrett (but at least this season)
3 games for Pouncey
1 game for Ogunjobi(already announced he's appealing).
Phil Perry suggests further discipline could be coming (in response to nothing for Rudolph).
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 15, 2019 12:25:40 GMT -5
Pouncey shouldn't get a suspension, he should get a raise.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 15, 2019 13:21:37 GMT -5
Garrett should be suspended for the rest of the season and honestly I wouldn't be mad if he got outright banned from the league. Don't swing a goddamn helmet at a dude, that's the equivalent of charging the mound with a bat in hand. It has no place in the sport. I’d agree if he ripped off the helmet and started beating him with it. He was holding it because he got pushed back immediately as it was ripped off then probably swung it as a reaction to Rudolph attacking him. The suspension for the rest of the season and a huge fine is warranted. Life time ban is a gross over-reaction by the league. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 15, 2019 15:46:49 GMT -5
I’d agree if he ripped off the helmet and started beating him with it. He was holding it because he got pushed back immediately as it was ripped off then probably swung it as a reaction to Rudolph attacking him. The suspension for the rest of the season and a huge fine is warranted. Life time ban is a gross over-reaction by the league. You're probably right, but damn it was a dangerous move he did that could have had serious consequences. This is a bit hyperbolic, but a good clean hit with the hard part of the helmet in Rudolph's head could have killed him. It was just a terrible decision to swing there. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 15, 2019 16:37:29 GMT -5
It was bad, still think the Ron Artest fight was worse, it involved going into the Stands endangering the Fans.
I don't see how you can press criminal charges, when Garrett only swings the helmet after Rudolph charges him. It was dead wrong of Garrett to do that, but he didn't have many options with a linemen holding him and Rudolph charging him.
It's like feeling bad for a guy that starts a fight and then gets knocked out.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 15, 2019 16:58:26 GMT -5
Or feeling bad for a guy that starts a fist fight and then gets bludgeoned with a brick?
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 15, 2019 17:24:26 GMT -5
I don't see how you can press criminal charges, when Garrett only swings the helmet after Rudolph charges him. It was dead wrong of Garrett to do that, but he didn't have many options with a linemen holding him and Rudolph charging him. It's like feeling bad for a guy that starts a fight and then gets knocked out. It's more akin to getting into a fight and one guy pulling a gun out and shooting the other. Just never swing a helmet right into a dude's head, Garrett was lucky it didn't really hit him. We're not even having this conversation if it did hit him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 15, 2019 18:07:17 GMT -5
Looking at this from a law point of view, he could use a brick or gun if someone was charging at him. Most states only require that you might fear for your life or your life could be in danger. I know that sounds funny given the size difference, but that's all he would have to claim. You never know if a guy like Rudolph practices UFC in his spare time, size can be deceiving.
I don't condone it, I just don't see how he can be charged when Rudolph charged him, which resulted in him getting hit with his own helmet. If he had simply walked over it would be different, but he acted in a very aggressive tough guy way.
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