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2019 Patriots Regular season thread
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 15, 2019 19:14:54 GMT -5
Looking at this from a law point of view, he could use a brick or gun if someone was charging at him. Most states only require that you might fear for your life or your life could be in danger. I know that sounds funny given the size difference, but that's all he would have to claim. You never know if a guy like Rudolph practices UFC in his spare time, size can be deceiving. I don't condone it, I just don't see how he can be charged when Rudolph charged him, which resulted in him getting hit with his own helmet. If he had simply walked over it would be different, but he acted in a very aggressive tough guy way. Oh he could have reacted alright. He could have thrown a punch. He could have kicked him. He could grab him and down him, jiu-jitsu style. He could have done a lot of things besides swinging a football helmet full force at some dude's unprotected head. We're not talking about the law here, we're talking about an entertainment product and some dude flat out trying to kill another guy on national TV is awful for business. Think about it this way. It's Tom Brady instead of Rudolph. Garrett hits him in the head, cracks his skull and he's dead or going to spend the rest of his life wishing he was dead. Can you guarantee me you're still taking the law point of view? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 15, 2019 20:07:15 GMT -5
Looking at this from a law point of view, he could use a brick or gun if someone was charging at him. Most states only require that you might fear for your life or your life could be in danger. I know that sounds funny given the size difference, but that's all he would have to claim. You never know if a guy like Rudolph practices UFC in his spare time, size can be deceiving. I don't condone it, I just don't see how he can be charged when Rudolph charged him, which resulted in him getting hit with his own helmet. If he had simply walked over it would be different, but he acted in a very aggressive tough guy way. Oh he could have reacted alright. He could have thrown a punch. He could have kicked him. He could grab him and down him, jiu-jitsu style. He could have done a lot of things besides swinging a football helmet full force at some dude's unprotected head. We're not talking about the law here, we're talking about an entertainment product and some dude flat out trying to kill another guy on national TV is awful for business. Think about it this way. It's Tom Brady instead of Rudolph. Garrett hits him in the head, cracks his skull and he's dead or going to spend the rest of his life wishing he was dead. Can you guarantee me you're still taking the law point of view? Serious question. Has Tom Brady ever reacted like Rudolph did? Also, if there’s one thing we know about Brady is he believes in self preservation. Getting into a physical altercation isn’t is style. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 15, 2019 21:19:17 GMT -5
Serious question. Has Tom Brady ever reacted like Rudolph did? Also, if there’s one thing we know about Brady is he believes in self preservation. Getting into a physical altercation isn’t is style. Nothing that Rudolph did made it justified for Garrett to swing at his head with a football helmet with that intensity. That's the part that gets me, Garrett could have done a half assed swing, or swung at his body, or tossed the helmet. He swung it on a 90 degree angle with legit force. Again, we're only having this conversation because he missed. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2019 7:56:31 GMT -5
Serious question. Has Tom Brady ever reacted like Rudolph did? Also, if there’s one thing we know about Brady is he believes in self preservation. Getting into a physical altercation isn’t is style. Nothing that Rudolph did made it justified for Garrett to swing at his head with a football helmet with that intensity. That's the part that gets me, Garrett could have done a half assed swing, or swung at his body, or tossed the helmet. He swung it on a 90 degree angle with legit force. Again, we're only having this conversation because he missed. He didn’t miss it was a direct hit. You asked how I’d feel if it were Brady. Just because something that happens to you isn’t justified that doesn’t mean you couldn’t avoid it. For instance, if you are an asshole and start a bar fight and end up severely hurt or dead. thats not justified but you could have avoided it by not being an asshole. To be clear, I 100% think Garrett is wrong and being severely punished is right. I’m just talking about the other side to this as well. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 16, 2019 9:02:09 GMT -5
It was bad, still think the Ron Artest fight was worse, it involved going into the Stands endangering the Fans. I don't see how you can press criminal charges, when Garrett only swings the helmet after Rudolph charges him. It was dead wrong of Garrett to do that, but he didn't have many options with a linemen holding him and Rudolph charging him. It's like feeling bad for a guy that starts a fight and then gets knocked out. "he didn't have many options" Really? Come on do you really think he was scared in any way? It is like you are justifying the actions. |
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 16, 2019 11:40:24 GMT -5
I've been on vacation but just saw the video. I'm surprised that Randolph didn't get a game for trying to rip Garrett's helmet off. The circumstances do not excuse anyone's behavior, even if someone can come up with some kind of bizarre justification. You can't try to rip helmets off. You can't swing helmets at people's heads. You can't punch and kick players. And you can't shove someone from behind and send them flying.
Randolph and his agent/lawyers would be complete morons to pursue this further.
I'm sure the NFL will flex their muscles and prevent legal or civil action.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 16, 2019 12:46:26 GMT -5
He didn’t miss it was a direct hit. You asked how I’d feel if it were Brady. Just because something that happens to you isn’t justified that doesn’t mean you couldn’t avoid it. For instance, if you are an asshole and start a bar fight and end up severely hurt or dead. thats not justified but you could have avoided it by not being an asshole. To be clear, I 100% think Garrett is wrong and being severely punished is right. I’m just talking about the other side to this as well. It wasn't a direct hit, it got him on the limit of his forehead. It didn't hit in the middle of his head. I'm sure Rudolph played a part in this and I'm not saying he's a victim, I'm saying maybe throw a punch or shit, just don't swing a goddamn football helmet at his head. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2019 12:56:37 GMT -5
Looking at this from a law point of view, he could use a brick or gun if someone was charging at him. Most states only require that you might fear for your life or your life could be in danger. I know that sounds funny given the size difference, but that's all he would have to claim. You never know if a guy like Rudolph practices UFC in his spare time, size can be deceiving. I don't condone it, I just don't see how he can be charged when Rudolph charged him, which resulted in him getting hit with his own helmet. If he had simply walked over it would be different, but he acted in a very aggressive tough guy way. Oh he could have reacted alright. He could have thrown a punch. He could have kicked him. He could grab him and down him, jiu-jitsu style. He could have done a lot of things besides swinging a football helmet full force at some dude's unprotected head. We're not talking about the law here, we're talking about an entertainment product and some dude flat out trying to kill another guy on national TV is awful for business. Think about it this way. It's Tom Brady instead of Rudolph. Garrett hits him in the head, cracks his skull and he's dead or going to spend the rest of his life wishing he was dead. Can you guarantee me you're still taking the law point of view? I know my opinion is likely far on one side of this, but your is completely way far on the other side. He did it hit with his helmet per the video I watched. Acting like he was trying to kill him is a little crazy, he was just reacting and it was dead wrong, yet the QB was also in the wrong. We can only judge this by what happened, not a bunch of what it's. Like if the hit killed him then sure it's a different story, but it didn't and I don't think for one second he was trying to kill him. If it was Brady this is a non story, Brady isn't going to do what Rudolph did, no chance in hell of that happening. We all know that a hard punch can kill someone, do you argue everyone that throws a punch was trying to kill someone? It just seems a little extreme to go there when the helmet hit did very little, but playing the what if game. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 16, 2019 13:29:56 GMT -5
I know my opinion is likely far on one side of this, but your is completely way far on the other side. He did it hit with his helmet per the video I watched. Acting like he was trying to kill him is a little crazy, he was just reacting and it was dead wrong, yet the QB was also in the wrong. We can only judge this by what happened, not a bunch of what it's. Like if the hit killed him then sure it's a different story, but it didn't and I don't think for one second he was trying to kill him. If it was Brady this is a non story, Brady isn't going to do what Rudolph did, no chance in hell of that happening. We all know that a hard punch can kill someone, do you argue everyone that throws a punch was trying to kill someone? It just seems a little extreme to go there when the helmet hit did very little, but playing the what if game. Okay, maybe I'm overreacting here but it was a terrible, scary scene. I hope we never have to see another thing like it, whatever punishment the NFL ends up enforcing on Garrett, I hope it at least comes with a warning that the next helmet swing will result in a ban regardless of instigation. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2019 13:52:40 GMT -5
I know my opinion is likely far on one side of this, but your is completely way far on the other side. He did it hit with his helmet per the video I watched. Acting like he was trying to kill him is a little crazy, he was just reacting and it was dead wrong, yet the QB was also in the wrong. We can only judge this by what happened, not a bunch of what it's. Like if the hit killed him then sure it's a different story, but it didn't and I don't think for one second he was trying to kill him. If it was Brady this is a non story, Brady isn't going to do what Rudolph did, no chance in hell of that happening. We all know that a hard punch can kill someone, do you argue everyone that throws a punch was trying to kill someone? It just seems a little extreme to go there when the helmet hit did very little, but playing the what if game. Okay, maybe I'm overreacting here but it was a terrible, scary scene. I hope we never have to see another thing like it, whatever punishment the NFL ends up enforcing on Garrett, I hope it at least comes with a warning that the next helmet swing will result in a ban regardless of instigation. I just think context and the situation matter. If some guy rips off someone’s helmet and starts beating him with it then yea an outright ban and probably assault charges make sense. I truly believe Garrett just reacted on two different occasions to Rudolph. First when Rudolph tried to rip off Garrett’s helmet and second when Rudolph ran at him while Garrett was being physically pushed. God we need the Pats to play to talk about something else  |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 16, 2019 16:01:46 GMT -5
I think some people are not looking at how violently he ripped the helmet off to begin with. Not sure I have seen many more violet acts than that in itself and that would have garnered a suspension.
I hope this has a positive affect on these guys realizing they need to care about not hurting someone out there. I didn't see the whole game and I missed the hit on Juju Smith but the other hit that knocked the Steeler WR out was vicious and worthy of a suspension. The old heat seeking missile style of hitting needs to be controlled. And that is what I saw on that hit, I heard their was blood coming out of his ear.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 17, 2019 0:14:19 GMT -5
Changing the subject to something even more grim, holy nuts that Tua injury looks BAD. That's a shame, kid looked legit.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2019 6:57:59 GMT -5
Changing the subject to something even more grim, holy nuts that Tua injury looks BAD. That's a shame, kid looked legit. And that’s how the Patriots got Tua...jk |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 17, 2019 9:53:24 GMT -5
Changing the subject to something even more grim, holy nuts that Tua injury looks BAD. That's a shame, kid looked legit. And that’s how the Patriots got Tua...jk That is funny!! Maybe not to Tua but. If it happened and he recovered to be a star it would be hilarious. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2019 11:17:53 GMT -5
Harry is playing or at least active
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 17, 2019 12:45:54 GMT -5
Harry is playing or at least active He should be able to help in the redzone as the routes are a bit less option based and he should be able win 1 on 1 battles. Something new to look forward to I hope he gets some targets. |
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 17, 2019 12:47:45 GMT -5
So is Gronk coming back or does he have something else to sell?
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 17, 2019 13:07:23 GMT -5
So is Gronk coming back or does he have something else to sell? His personality! That will last for a little while. I think the chances are better he comes back next year rather than this. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2019 13:12:25 GMT -5
So is Gronk coming back or does he have something else to sell? Needs to up his insta followers |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 17, 2019 17:17:51 GMT -5
Nkeal era begins
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2019 17:26:04 GMT -5
3rd and 7 and you take out Sanu and have in Meyers and Harry...
Also our receivers are numbers: 11, 13, 14, 15 and 16... that’s weird
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 17, 2019 17:57:04 GMT -5
I'm not one to call out McDaniels, but the Pats have ran 7 screen plays and none of them have worked. None. Try something else.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2019 18:01:48 GMT -5
I'm not one to call out McDaniels, but the Pats have ran 7 screen plays and none of them have worked. None. Try something else. They had one on the first drive that was to Michel that worked - i think... i hate the pump fake screens tho those never work |
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 17, 2019 18:09:30 GMT -5
I'm not one to call out McDaniels, but the Pats have ran 7 screen plays and none of them have worked. None. Try something else. I’m definitely one to call out McDaniels because he’s been positively awful this year. Getting Wynn back should solve some problems, but the playcalling needs to be better too. |
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 17, 2019 19:21:37 GMT -5
McDaniels with some trash play calls on 3rd down.
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