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Post by texs31 on Sept 23, 2019 14:10:31 GMT -5
For some reason, I get obsessed with Snap Count % following a game. I like to see who played the most. In looking this morning, I saw something that doesn't seem possible. KVN was NOT listed as a starter but he played 100% of the Defensive Snaps. Having missed much of the 1st QTR, I figured maybe there was a penalty on the 1st play (IIRC, those don't count in the snap total) but looking at the play by play, the first Jets snap was a Bell run (no penalty). I guess the only other way would be if KVN subbed in after the huddle broke? Seems odd, no? I’m not 100% on this but I believe teams submit their starters ahead of time (see TV graphics), but don’t always use the starters in the first series because they don’t necessarily know what package they will go out in... that being said... i can’t think of a package KVN wouldn’t be part of so it doesn’t make much sense... Do we know anything about Calhoun? Why he was gone all last week then an inactive? My guess is it was personal reasons and since he wasn’t around all week for the game plan they just sat him, but haven’t heard a peep. Maybe 53 and 52 got mixed up. Would seem as though, based on skill sets, the formations used during exhibitions and projections, Elandon Roberts would've been a strange fit on the inside of what was, otherwise, their 4-2-5 set. All other players match those pre-season projections and the Game 1 starting lineup (save Calhoun starting in place of expecting Daddy KVN).
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Post by texs31 on Sept 23, 2019 14:41:56 GMT -5
Actually, ER may have made sense here since Shelton also starterd in THIS version of the 4-2-5.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 23, 2019 15:56:44 GMT -5
Oof. James Develin to IR.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 23, 2019 16:25:53 GMT -5
Oof. James Develin to IR. My guess is he won’t return... he’s got disc issues; you don’t F with that.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 23, 2019 16:30:25 GMT -5
Don’t forget DMac (not a play maker) and to a lessor degree Bolden (strictly special teams). McCourty has 3 interceptions in three games, the most in a season since 2012 when he first switched to safety. Yet he also had zero tackles. He's gotten a few early Christmas presents so far this year, let's hope it keeps up. Bolden was used on the first series, then didn't play again till late 4th when they put in Stidham. He ran twice for -2 yards. Like who had a cramp to start the game? Outside that first series, they didn't use him until garbage time even though he was the third RB. I'll admit I was wrong when Bolden shows he can still run the ball and be effective. Anything to say about Harmon and Burkhead? Harmon looked awful good breaking up that would be first down catch and Burkhead has been our best looking RB easily so far.😁 I just can't tell if Burkhead is playing that well or Michel isn't healthy so he's making Burkhead look so good. He's just running harder and being more shifty than Michel and frankly it's not even close. Hard to make tackles when you’re a safety and your front 7 doesn’t allow anyone out of the backfield and the corners break everything up. The Jets had 134 total yards lol. Like my god... McCourty had a pick and another pass defended. theathletic.com/1231795/2019/09/22/is-devin-mccourty-at-32-now-playing-the-best-football-of-his-career/“As the Patriots have won eight consecutive games dating back to Week 16 of last season, McCourty has been in coverage for 12 straight incompletions. He has three interceptions and five pass breakups over that stretch. This season alone, he has the three picks and two breakups on five targets.”
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 23, 2019 16:32:59 GMT -5
I have to be honest, Michel is making me a little nervous. That being said; it really feels like there have been zero holes for him. You can’t run through a wall of people. They are way too predictable when Sony is in there versus Birkenhead. Burkhead has bigger holes. Now is that Michels fault because he can’t run routes? I really don’t know. He’s been good in pass protection.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 23, 2019 19:35:13 GMT -5
I have to be honest, Michel is making me a little nervous. That being said; it really feels like there have been zero holes for him. You can’t run through a wall of people. They are way too predictable when Sony is in there versus Birkenhead. Burkhead has bigger holes. Now is that Michels fault because he can’t run routes? I really don’t know. He’s been good in pass protection. The only thing the Jets knew how to do it seemed like was stopping the run. Not too worried about it yet. He'll have some great games coming up against weaker D lines.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 23, 2019 22:46:50 GMT -5
Should we be concerned about Edeldaddy? We already have 2 guys on iR we want to being back in Harry and Wynn. Looks fine.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 24, 2019 6:37:17 GMT -5
McCourty has 3 interceptions in three games, the most in a season since 2012 when he first switched to safety. Yet he also had zero tackles. He's gotten a few early Christmas presents so far this year, let's hope it keeps up. Bolden was used on the first series, then didn't play again till late 4th when they put in Stidham. He ran twice for -2 yards. Like who had a cramp to start the game? Outside that first series, they didn't use him until garbage time even though he was the third RB. I'll admit I was wrong when Bolden shows he can still run the ball and be effective. Anything to say about Harmon and Burkhead? Harmon looked awful good breaking up that would be first down catch and Burkhead has been our best looking RB easily so far.😁 I just can't tell if Burkhead is playing that well or Michel isn't healthy so he's making Burkhead look so good. He's just running harder and being more shifty than Michel and frankly it's not even close. Hard to make tackles when you’re a safety and your front 7 doesn’t allow anyone out of the backfield and the corners break everything up. The Jets had 134 total yards lol. Like my god... McCourty had a pick and another pass defended. theathletic.com/1231795/2019/09/22/is-devin-mccourty-at-32-now-playing-the-best-football-of-his-career/“As the Patriots have won eight consecutive games dating back to Week 16 of last season, McCourty has been in coverage for 12 straight incompletions. He has three interceptions and five pass breakups over that stretch. This season alone, he has the three picks and two breakups on five targets.” An interception is a pass defended. Per Football Reference he has 3 Interceptions and 4 pass defended, which would mean he only has one pass break up. So unless there numbers are wrong I don't know what to say about your article. Never said he was a bad player just way too high of a cap number, last I checked highest in Football for a safety. I love the interceptions, yet two were gifts, not like he made a great play and I can't remember the third one frankly. Let's see if it continues, maybe we get a big contract year. Yet he was rated what 11th among safeties last year by PFF?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 24, 2019 6:49:43 GMT -5
2.4 yards for Michel per carry, 4.7 yards for Burkhead. I don't think the holes are different and Michel didn't pass catch last year and it had no effect. Burkhead is running harder, faster and showing more wiggle than Michel.
Michel has always been a bad inside runner. When he went off last year it was tons of outside runs. We haven't done a ton of those this year. I don't know if it's the new linemen who don't have enough experience or maybe they don't do that as well or heck maybe it's just by design because the recent teams are weak inside and strong outside. Yet Michel needs to get better running between the tackles. 75% of the time he doesn't seem to be moving a full speed waiting for a lane. You can't do that all the time while running inside, like you can outside. Just get it and go, nothing there bull your way for a couple yards.
Also like WTF happened to Michel being good at catching the ball? It feels like Blunt was more involved in the passing attack and they barely used him.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 24, 2019 6:51:21 GMT -5
Devin McCourty has stated that he's going to retire soon and contemplated retirement after last season.
He doesn't have much time in NFL left, I think.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 24, 2019 7:10:55 GMT -5
Hard to make tackles when you’re a safety and your front 7 doesn’t allow anyone out of the backfield and the corners break everything up. The Jets had 134 total yards lol. Like my god... McCourty had a pick and another pass defended. theathletic.com/1231795/2019/09/22/is-devin-mccourty-at-32-now-playing-the-best-football-of-his-career/“As the Patriots have won eight consecutive games dating back to Week 16 of last season, McCourty has been in coverage for 12 straight incompletions. He has three interceptions and five pass breakups over that stretch. This season alone, he has the three picks and two breakups on five targets.” An interception is a pass defended. Per Football Reference he has 3 Interceptions and 4 pass defended, which would mean he only has one pass break up. So unless there numbers are wrong I don't know what to say about your article. Never said he was a bad player just way too high of a cap number, last I checked highest in Football for a safety. I love the interceptions, yet two were gifts, not like he made a great play and I can't remember the third one frankly. Let's see if it continues, maybe we get a big contract year. Yet he was rated what 11th among safeties last year by PFF? He was definitely terrible for a good 4-5 game stretch last year early, then he started turning it around and has been dominant since the stretch run last year and into this year. Listen, my defense and reasoning for them carrying the extra cap number vs production was his intangibles so I was on a similar page with regards to his play. I’m just pointing out he’s turned it around and giving you a hard time. His 3 picks this year, only 1 was a gift - the last one vs the Jets. Steelers he had over the top coverage late in game with Jones under the receiver. Ben threw into double coverage and DMac picked it. Wasn’t a hard catch, but his coverage was perfect. On the other one, Gilmore made the harder play deflecting the pass but again he was in great position like he should have been and was under control to make the play. I don’t consider either of those gifts. Regarding the stats from the article, football doesn’t have an official scorer like baseball so you’ll get variances in subjective numbers from time to time. The author here, Jeff Howe, watches the all-22 and compiles his own stats. Teams always have their own tackle stats that vary from what you see on line. Passes defensed are similar. It’s not like a reception where it’s clear. The difference is probably one person gave the receiver a drop and one gave the defender a pass defensed.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 24, 2019 7:15:00 GMT -5
Devin McCourty has stated that he's going to retire soon and contemplated retirement after last season. He doesn't have much time in NFL left, I think. He has not stated he’s going to retire soon. Most recent comments on it. Howe: Have you thought about your future beyond this year? DMac: “I haven’t,” McCourty told Howe. “I’ve been having a lot of fun this year. I haven’t thought about next year or anything else. I’m just trying to see how much better I can get in year 10 and see how good I can be still at, in a couple weeks, (when I turn) 32 years old and still playing football and trying to embrace that.”
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 24, 2019 7:18:33 GMT -5
2.4 yards for Michel per carry, 4.7 yards for Burkhead. I don't think the holes are different and Michel didn't pass catch last year and it had no effect. Burkhead is running harder, faster and showing more wiggle than Michel. Michel has always been a bad inside runner. When he went off last year it was tons of outside runs. We haven't done a ton of those this year. I don't know if it's the new linemen who don't have enough experience or maybe they don't do that as well or heck maybe it's just by design because the recent teams are weak inside and strong outside. Yet Michel needs to get better running between the tackles. 75% of the time he doesn't seem to be moving a full speed waiting for a lane. You can't do that all the time while running inside, like you can outside. Just get it and go, nothing there bull your way for a couple yards. Also like WTF happened to Michel being good at catching the ball? It feels like Blunt was more involved in the passing attack and they barely used him. Agree to disagree. I’ve watched the film breakdowns on a lot of Sony’s rushes. There’s no where to go. Burkhead has no doubt been better - but on his longer runs he’s had holes. It’s super predictable though with Michel. When Rex is on the field Brady can move him in and out and choose runs off the better in the box matchups. With Michel it’s stationary in the backfield and it’s 80% run and 20% play action. The linebackers just crash the line. They need to adjust. It has to be Michel’s in ability in the passing game.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 24, 2019 7:35:18 GMT -5
And the old proverb of "just get it and go" is challenged these days by the Bell way of hesitating and finding a seam. Especially with the Pats Oline zone blocking and Develin leading the way.
I think Michel will break out soon but it is concerning that they won't send him out in routes. I mean a wheel route isn't that hard to run.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 24, 2019 7:43:36 GMT -5
In regards to all the injuries, I prefer to look at it this way. They are very good and deep, they will continue to win unless of course TB or half the D gets hurt. So they way it stands the Pats can look forward to adding Watson and 2 out of Wynn, Harry or least likely Develin to the roster just when it could use fresh legs.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 24, 2019 8:28:18 GMT -5
How long before Damien Harris actually touches the ball? What's wrong with him that he can't even get a snap when the Pats were up by 30 against the Jets? It's not anytime soon when he's inactive again when White gets back. This is a 3rd round pick, not some scrub that spent 3 years on a practice squad.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 24, 2019 10:28:57 GMT -5
How long before Damien Harris actually touches the ball? What's wrong with him that he can't even get a snap when the Pats were up by 30 against the Jets? It's not anytime soon when he's inactive again when White gets back. This is a 3rd round pick, not some scrub that spent 3 years on a practice squad. Great question.... he’s gotta be banged up and they just want to get him 100%. That’s the only thing I can come up with that makes any type of sense.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 24, 2019 12:39:25 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 24, 2019 17:37:12 GMT -5
Devin McCourty has stated that he's going to retire soon and contemplated retirement after last season. He doesn't have much time in NFL left, I think. He has not stated he’s going to retire soon. Most recent comments on it. Howe: Have you thought about your future beyond this year? DMac: “I haven’t,” McCourty told Howe. “I’ve been having a lot of fun this year. I haven’t thought about next year or anything else. I’m just trying to see how much better I can get in year 10 and see how good I can be still at, in a couple weeks, (when I turn) 32 years old and still playing football and trying to embrace that.” I saw it before the Superbowl in the Superbowl week that he was hinting about retirement. I'll have to look it up when I have time later.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 24, 2019 18:53:36 GMT -5
Who knows
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Post by texs31 on Sept 25, 2019 6:50:58 GMT -5
I think Devin said something about it (or "thinking about his future" or something of the sort) very shortly after the SB. I recall it bc Jason was asked about it and said that his brother was being a drama queen (again, or something like that).
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 25, 2019 12:54:54 GMT -5
I think Devin said something about it (or "thinking about his future" or something of the sort) very shortly after the SB. I recall it bc Jason was asked about it and said that his brother was being a drama queen (again, or something like that). He definitely did; i just disputed that he said he was going to retire soon.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 25, 2019 18:13:58 GMT -5
Jonathan Jones update: highest graded corner thru 3 weeks in the NFL (PFF)
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2019 20:16:42 GMT -5
Jonathan Jones update: highest graded corner thru 3 weeks in the NFL (PFF) He has really stood out this year. He's been breaking up a lot of plays this season. Between him and Gilmore, this might be one of the best corner combinations the Patriots have ever had.
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