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9/17-9/19 Red Sox vs. Giants Series Thread
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Post by cheers on Sept 19, 2019 15:41:30 GMT -5
Wait a minute: A major league team with Gorkys Hernández and Chris Owings in the starting lineup both hitting under a buck twenty actually won a game? The world is a very strange and unpredictable place, you may have noticed. I hope this doesn't mean those two have earned a roster spot next year...
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Post by Guidas on Sept 19, 2019 16:12:06 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 19, 2019 16:31:48 GMT -5
Wait a minute: A major league team with Gorkys Hernández and Chris Owings in the starting lineup both hitting under a buck twenty actually won a game? The world is a very strange and unpredictable place, you may have noticed. I hope this doesn't mean those two have earned a roster spot next year... It does not. They wouldn't make the club's healthy 26-man roster right now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 19, 2019 22:26:39 GMT -5
I'm going to Thursday's game. I'm almost disappointed that E-Rod is pitching, just because he's lefty and I REALLY want to see Yaz play! I hope Mike Yastrzemski is in LF for the Giants, but with the lefty going, perhaps Bochy platoons him? I really, really hope not! Well it's a shame that Yaz got sick and couldn't play today, but it sure looks like a beautiful day and ERod was freaking dealing. Hope you had a great time with your dad. I have to admit - it was the first time I've ever been to a game at Fenway and was rooting for the Red Sox to lose. While it goes against my natural instincts to root against the Sox, with the season being absolutely shot, it was an easy decision. In the 9th I rooted for Mike Yastrzemski to hit a grand slam, preferably beyond the Red Sox bullpen where I was sitting, even if it beat the Red Sox and/or cost E-Rod his shot at 20 wins. I had already been thrilled and relieved to see him come up and get a pinch-hit single and score another run. I was thrilled to see him manning LF, even though I would have had a much better view of him in RF - and I hoped either a ball would be hit to him or he'd field one off the wall and throw the runner out at 2b. Instead he missed a flyball/liner that came right at him for an error. Carl would have had it - even at age 80! lol. I didn't know he was sick. I thought he was being platooned and I was hoping for E-Rod to be out of the game sooner than later and for the Red Sox to deploy their RH relievers. Because it would have been a huge disappointment not to see young Yaz today. Glad I can at least say I saw him. And when Yaz couldn't get it done in the 9th, I reverted back to rooting for the Sox, who just barely held on to this meaningless victory.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2019 0:29:51 GMT -5
The Yankees are on the same win pace as the 2018 Red Sox, and just clinched the division.
If the Yankees win this year, 2019 will officially my worst year as a fan watching baseball.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 20, 2019 0:36:10 GMT -5
The Yankees are on the same win pace as the 2018 Red Sox, and just clinched the division. If the Yankees win this year, 2019 will officially my worst year as a fan watching baseball. No they're not. They have 54 losses. Unless they take the last 8 games they will not win 108 regular season games or 119 total games to match the Sox. Besides the Sox aren't the gold standard for the Yankees. The 1998 Yankees won 114 games and 125 total games. The 2018 Red Sox pale in comparison, although they did have the tougher post-season to go through. The 1998 Yankees were in a league by themselves. They were 22 games better than the next AL team - the AL Wild card 92 game winning Red Sox.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 20, 2019 1:40:58 GMT -5
The Sox have won 4 divisions and two World Series since the last Yankee division championship. Their reputation exceeds their accomplishments this millennium.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2019 1:42:21 GMT -5
The Yankees are on the same win pace as the 2018 Red Sox, and just clinched the division. If the Yankees win this year, 2019 will officially my worst year as a fan watching baseball. No they're not. They have 54 losses. Unless they take the last 8 games they will not win 108 regular season games or 119 total games to match the Sox. Besides the Sox aren't the gold standard for the Yankees. The 1998 Yankees won 114 games and 125 total games. The 2018 Red Sox pale in comparison, although they did have the tougher post-season to go through. The 1998 Yankees were in a league by themselves. They were 22 games better than the next AL team - the AL Wild card 92 game winning Red Sox. Meh, I guess you're right, but if this Yankees team wins, they could be compared to those 2 other great teams. Forgot how far we were in September. This goes to show that you can improve on even a 100 win team like last year, and not make excuses like the Sox did last winter. The Yankees simply made better moves every which way than the Sox starting last off-season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 20, 2019 8:42:17 GMT -5
No they're not. They have 54 losses. Unless they take the last 8 games they will not win 108 regular season games or 119 total games to match the Sox. Besides the Sox aren't the gold standard for the Yankees. The 1998 Yankees won 114 games and 125 total games. The 2018 Red Sox pale in comparison, although they did have the tougher post-season to go through. The 1998 Yankees were in a league by themselves. They were 22 games better than the next AL team - the AL Wild card 92 game winning Red Sox. Meh, I guess you're right, but if this Yankees team wins, they could be compared to those 2 other great teams. Forgot how far we were in September. This goes to show that you can improve on even a 100 win team like last year, and not make excuses like the Sox did last winter. The Yankees simply made better moves every which way than the Sox starting last off-season. I felt like the Yankees were supposed to be the better team the past two years. But in 2018 the Yankees lacked the big hit (Sound familiar?) and it was the Red Sox who'd have an injury or something and up would step Steven Wright, or Hector Velazquez, or Brian Johnson, and they'd contribute and it would all work out fine. Whatever they did turned to gold. That's what the Yankees are experiencing this year. A guy gets hurt and the guy stepping in to replace him does a fantastic job. The Yankees are playing about their pythag record. Meanwhile the Sox are kind of doing what the Yankees did last year - fail to get the key hit, not good enough starting pitching. But the difference is that the Sox doing that looks like an 85 win team while the Yankees doing that were a 100 win team last year. Yeah, this Yankees team if it goes all the way will be up there with their all-time most successful teams, but they won't talked about in the reverential way the 1998 team was, or the 1961 team, or the 1927 team, or even the 1939 team. The Yankees have had teams before that played damn near .700 ball or over .700 ball. The Red Sox only have the 1912 team and the 2018 team that come close. The 1946 team gave it a run, but didn't win the ultimate game. If the Yankees don't get that mantle, the Astros just might. They're right there with the Yankees. And frankly, on paper, I think they're better. I'm still very concerned that the Yankees win, which would really, really suck. I think they have a serious hunger to win, the way the Sox did last year. Looking back, I do now believe that the Red Sox were on a mission last year. I know others will dismiss that as BS, but whatever. That motivation of having fallen short is there. I'm hoping the Dodgers have that same sense of urgency.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 20, 2019 8:52:12 GMT -5
The Yankees are on the same win pace as the 2018 Red Sox, and just clinched the division. If the Yankees win this year, 2019 will officially my worst year as a fan watching baseball. 2011.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 20, 2019 8:59:51 GMT -5
The Yankees are on the same win pace as the 2018 Red Sox, and just clinched the division. If the Yankees win this year, 2019 will officially my worst year as a fan watching baseball. 2011. 2011 did suck but by time the season ended, as aggravated as I was, there was a big part of me that said, you know what? These guys choked. Screw them. They don't DESERVE to be in the playoffs. And the saving grace was that it was a Cardinals/Rangers World Series and the Yankees I believe were an early exit, courtesy of Detroit if I remember correctly (too lazy to look it up). I felt worse for the Rangers. Never won a Series, got 1 strike away twice in two separate innings and blew the Series, although that brought back painful memories of 1986 for me, which was an awful memory - and I'm sure others here feel worse about 1978 because it featured a collapse and a Yankee comeback and championship. If you look at it a different way 2012 was truly awful because there really never was any hope. They poked their head above .500 for a few days but totally and utterly collapsed thereafter. Others that have been fans a really long time probably recall the gloominess of the 1965 team which lost 100 games and would draw about 400 fans to a game. I guess there's being heartbroken and being hopeless which are two different things.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 20, 2019 9:02:41 GMT -5
In 2012 the Red Sox finished in last place and were managed by actual sociopath Bobby Valentine and the whole team fell apart and they went 5-13 against the first place Yankees. The team had a 4.80 ERA (good for a 90 ERA+ in that environment), and their best pitchers by bWAR were Junichi Tazawa and Scott Atchison, both at 1.7. Bobby Valentine made Alfredo Aceves the closer and got the worst season ever out of Jon Lester. They got an Aaron Cook for cheap at the Market Basket in Somerville and threw him for 94 innings. Daniel Bard totally imploded. Kevin Youkilis and Dustin Pedroia were disgruntled by the first week of spring training. If you look at it a different way 2012 was truly awful because there really never was any hope. They were favored to win the World Series in 2011 and they actually won the World Series in 2013. The reason they were hopeless is because Bobby Valentine was a black hole of hope. And competence. And class. And wins. There was no Devers and Bogaerts and Betts and Eduardo Rodriguez to enjoy that year. This year has been frustrating but there's been a lot of good to come out of it. The only good that came out of 2012 was that Bobby Valentine got fired.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 20, 2019 11:17:25 GMT -5
2010s Red Sox seasons, from best to worst:
2018 2013 2017 2016 2010 2019 2015 2014 2011 2012
2019 barely cracks the bottom half. You have to be a goldfish if it's the worst season you can remember as a Red Sox fan.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 20, 2019 11:43:15 GMT -5
Because of teams tanking, the 2019 Yankees and the 2018 Red Sox teams had better records than they ever would have in normal seasons. Competitive balance is just about gone. Thanks Rob Manfred.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 20, 2019 11:52:12 GMT -5
2010s Red Sox seasons, from best to worst: 2018 2013 2017 2016 2010 2019 2015 2014 2011 2012 2019 barely cracks the bottom half. You have to be a goldfish if it's the worst season you can remember as a Red Sox fan. If the Yankees win the World Series that would make 2019 suck that much worse. I think that's what Pedro is getting at. Any year those pinstriped (pick out any expletive you want) win a Series, it makes a season that much worse. They're not there yet, so I cannot concur. And frankly even if they do win, there have been worse years. I didn't really enjoy the Yankees dynasty of the 1990s and can only imagine how things felt in 1977/1978 (particularly 78). I mean, if you ask a Yankee fan/Red Sox hater about the Yankees 2004 or 2018 seasons you're sure to make their blood boil, because not only did the Red Sox win that year, they went through the Yankees (historically in 04 and then in 18 they spilled champagne on their stadium floor TWICE, mocked them twice (ALDS and World Series singing "NY, NY", and subjected them to that agonizing four game sweep , while hoisting the trophy both years) If the Yankees don't win the World Series, then I'd place 2019 right where you put it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 20, 2019 11:55:01 GMT -5
Because of teams tanking, the 2019 Yankees and the 2018 Red Sox teams had better records than they ever would have in normal seasons. Competitive balance is just about gone. Thanks Rob Manfred. Yeah, I'd say that's the case. I hope that 119 wins for a Championship team (Seattle won 120 in 2001 and got nothing for it) is the new standard for the new century. But the way things are going, that won't last long. It's almost like the team HR record which can be re-written just about every year. (The Yankees and Twins could be mash 300 HRs this season!) I do hope if the standard is reset it's done by the Sox in the future. Right now I'm rooting for loss 55 for both NY (1 to go) and Houston (2 to go) so they can't match the 119 wins from last season.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 20, 2019 12:02:39 GMT -5
In the history of the 162 game schedule, there have been 7 teams at most which have either won or lost 100 games (2002). This year there will be between 8-10 teams.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 20, 2019 12:07:21 GMT -5
2010s Red Sox seasons, from best to worst: 2018 2013 2017 2016 2010 2019 2015 2014 2011 2012 2019 barely cracks the bottom half. You have to be a goldfish if it's the worst season you can remember as a Red Sox fan. If the Yankees win the World Series that would make 2019 suck that much worse. I think that's what Pedro is getting at. Any year those pinstriped (pick out any expletive you want) win a Series, it makes a season that much worse. They're not there yet, so I cannot concur. And frankly even if they do win, there have been worse years. I didn't really enjoy the Yankees dynasty of the 1990s and can only imagine how things felt in 1977/1978 (particularly 78). I mean, if you ask a Yankee fan/Red Sox hater about the Yankees 2004 or 2018 seasons you're sure to make their blood boil, because not only did the Red Sox win that year, they went through the Yankees (historically in 04 and then in 18 they spilled champagne on their stadium floor TWICE, mocked them twice (ALDS and World Series singing "NY, NY", and subjected them to that agonizing four game sweep , while hoisting the trophy both years) If the Yankees don't win the World Series, then I'd place 2019 right where you put it. Considering the Yankees are clearly worse than both the Astros and the Dodgers, I'm not putting in the order for their World Series rings just yet. But yeah, a Yankees WS makes this season worse. And the worst thing about it is that it would retroactively neutralize the specialness of 2018, since the Yankees could claim a particularly infuriating sort of specialness of their own - the luckiest unlucky season in the history of baseball.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 20, 2019 12:11:25 GMT -5
If the Yankees win the World Series that would make 2019 suck that much worse. I think that's what Pedro is getting at. Any year those pinstriped (pick out any expletive you want) win a Series, it makes a season that much worse. They're not there yet, so I cannot concur. And frankly even if they do win, there have been worse years. I didn't really enjoy the Yankees dynasty of the 1990s and can only imagine how things felt in 1977/1978 (particularly 78). I mean, if you ask a Yankee fan/Red Sox hater about the Yankees 2004 or 2018 seasons you're sure to make their blood boil, because not only did the Red Sox win that year, they went through the Yankees (historically in 04 and then in 18 they spilled champagne on their stadium floor TWICE, mocked them twice (ALDS and World Series singing "NY, NY", and subjected them to that agonizing four game sweep , while hoisting the trophy both years) If the Yankees don't win the World Series, then I'd place 2019 right where you put it. Considering the Yankees are clearly worse than both the Astros and the Dodgers, I'm not putting in the order for their World Series rings just yet. But yeah, a Yankees WS makes this season worse. And the worst thing about it is that it would retroactively neutralize the specialness of 2018, since the Yankees could claim a particularly infuriating sort of specialness of their own - the luckiest unlucky season in the history of baseball. Which is what Pedro I think was trying to say. Well, the Yankees' road just got tougher. Domingo German has been suspended the rest of the year including post-season for domestic abuse. How disgusting. The way the Yankees season has gone watch Luis Severino and CC Sabathia combine for a no-hitter. Yes, I'm being facetious.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2019 14:57:12 GMT -5
The Yankees are on the same win pace as the 2018 Red Sox, and just clinched the division. If the Yankees win this year, 2019 will officially my worst year as a fan watching baseball. 2011. I liked watching the 2011 team. Unfortunately, the collapse of Bard, declince of Papelbon were a huge part of what did them in.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 20, 2019 15:44:29 GMT -5
I liked watching the 2011 team. Unfortunately, the collapse of Bard, declince of Papelbon were a huge part of what did them in. It definitely hurt - Bard went from about 30 scoreless innings to suddenly not being able to throw the ball over the plate, but the rotation flat out failed them. Beckett got hurt. Lester went into a funk. Lackey pitch injured all season. Buchholz was injured. Bedard didn't contribute much, and there wasn't much beyond that. And the offense went into a slump as well. It all failed that month.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2019 18:02:26 GMT -5
I liked watching the 2011 team. Unfortunately, the collapse of Bard, declince of Papelbon were a huge part of what did them in. It definitely hurt - Bard went from about 30 scoreless innings to suddenly not being able to throw the ball over the plate, but the rotation flat out failed them. Beckett got hurt. Lester went into a funk. Lackey pitch injured all season. Buchholz was injured. Bedard didn't contribute much, and there wasn't much beyond that. And the offense went into a slump as well. It all failed that month. Yeah I remember the bullpen falling apart in 2011. Bard's career ended essentially in September of 2011. 2011 wasn't even close to the worst year ever. The Yankees won squat and the Boston Red Sox had arguably the greatest draft year in the history of their franchise, plus you found Manny Margot. There was a lot of positive takeaways from 2011, despite the collapse. I can't even put 2012 in that category either because the Yankees still didn't win squat. This year you have to wait on the international signings, but the best prospects drafted was Lugo and Noah Song who might not pitch here the next 2 years. They had the best draft that they could have, but who knows what they got there. Ohh and the Yankees are loaded and are in prime position to win a world series. Please let that not happen Dodgers or Astros (the only 2 teams I see even having a shot at taking them down this October).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 21, 2019 2:38:21 GMT -5
It definitely hurt - Bard went from about 30 scoreless innings to suddenly not being able to throw the ball over the plate, but the rotation flat out failed them. Beckett got hurt. Lester went into a funk. Lackey pitch injured all season. Buchholz was injured. Bedard didn't contribute much, and there wasn't much beyond that. And the offense went into a slump as well. It all failed that month. Yeah I remember the bullpen falling apart in 2011. Bard's career ended essentially in September of 2011. 2011 wasn't even close to the worst year ever. The Yankees won squat and the Boston Red Sox had arguably the greatest draft year in the history of their franchise, plus you found Manny Margot. There was a lot of positive takeaways from 2011, despite the collapse. I can't even put 2012 in that category either because the Yankees still didn't win squat. This year you have to wait on the international signings, but the best prospects drafted was Lugo and Noah Song who might not pitch here the next 2 years. They had the best draft that they could have, but who knows what they got there. Ohh and the Yankees are loaded and are in prime position to win a world series. Please let that not happen Dodgers or Astros (the only 2 teams I see even having a shot at taking them down this October). I don't see the Yankees getting past the 'Stros.
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