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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 11, 2020 0:58:11 GMT -5
Targets I like: Bjelica, Bogdan Bogdanovich, Bertans. Basically, guys that can hit 3s. Bogdanovich would be AWESOME, huge fan of his game. Bertans and Bjelica could come in and start, letting Hayward bring scoring from the bench. If we're talking bigger guys, I would also call the Suns and see if they're willing to part with Saric. I know he's not a shooter like the others, but he did shoot well from 3 in his last full season with the 6ers and also during his stint with the Wolves. Good rebounder, solid passer, still young enough. I'm still a fan! I would love Saric and he fits the system. Never has reached his scouting report as a point forward and great passer, but he could in our offense. He's also tough and young. Adds more size and I think we have enough data to say he's at minimum a decent guy from 3 point land at this point. |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 11, 2020 1:02:40 GMT -5
What a bad game/loss. Statement loss. You can't beat Philly with Embid. You can't beat Philly without Embid. Meanwhile I know people were mocking me for some reason when they clearly rushed Hayward back too soon. How's that working out now? Not even close to being the same player in the first 8 games of the season. What are you talking about? You make it sound like they rushed him back from his broken hand, but his current issues are his foot, which Stevens admits was an issue even in those first 8 games. They brought him back 3 weeks after he broke his hand. Yeah, feels rushed. If his foot is a problem still, then we have even more problems. Those first 8 games was the only glimpse we saw at the real Gordon Hayward that it looks like we might never see consistently due to his foot. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 11, 2020 13:23:34 GMT -5
Hayward had one of the best games of his season on 12/31 and played well all December. His numbers have been down in January but is that him or is that the J's being more involved and the team struggling. Seems to me health isn't the issue there.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 11, 2020 13:49:58 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 11, 2020 17:59:25 GMT -5
What are you talking about? You make it sound like they rushed him back from his broken hand, but his current issues are his foot, which Stevens admits was an issue even in those first 8 games. They brought him back 3 weeks after he broke his hand. Yeah, feels rushed. If his foot is a problem still, then we have even more problems. Those first 8 games was the only glimpse we saw at the real Gordon Hayward that it looks like we might never see consistently due to his foot. It's his foot not his hand and the issue was there even in those first eight games. Which isn't good, even with a bunch of time off it didn't take long to pop back up. Seems like they need to reduce his minutes and give him extra rest. A bench role makes sense. We really need to make a trade if the rookies can't step up. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 11, 2020 19:38:51 GMT -5
There should be no complaints about the first quarter for a change. lol
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 11, 2020 20:54:14 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 11, 2020 21:51:59 GMT -5
Glad to see guys taking out all of their frustration on the Pelicans. Yeah this was an easy game, but winning in style is always appreciated.
And Jayson Tatum HOLY SHIT.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 11, 2020 22:59:51 GMT -5
They brought him back 3 weeks after he broke his hand. Yeah, feels rushed. If his foot is a problem still, then we have even more problems. Those first 8 games was the only glimpse we saw at the real Gordon Hayward that it looks like we might never see consistently due to his foot. It's his foot not his hand and the issue was there even in those first eight games. Which isn't good, even with a bunch of time off it didn't take long to pop back up. Seems like they need to reduce his minutes and give him extra rest. A bench role makes sense. We really need to make a trade if the rookies can't step up. They should sideline him until March if you ask me. They need him to be fresh for April and May. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 12, 2020 0:15:18 GMT -5
They should sideline him until March if you ask me. They need him to be fresh for April and May. Bad take man, they need to develop habits and play together enough to fully gel. They wouldn't play cohesively as a team if Hayward was out of the entire season basically and came back near the end for absolutely no justifiable reason. Team sports do not work like that. |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 12, 2020 0:29:46 GMT -5
They should sideline him until March if you ask me. They need him to be fresh for April and May. Bad take man, they need to develop habits and play together enough to fully gel. They wouldn't play cohesively as a team if Hayward was out of the entire season basically and came back near the end for absolutely no justifiable reason. Team sports do not work like that. He's no good to the Celtics if he's hobling around by May. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 12, 2020 10:47:00 GMT -5
Glad to see guys taking out all of their frustration on the Pelicans. Yeah this was an easy game, but winning in style is always appreciated. And Jayson Tatum HOLY SHIT. The lanes were much more open for everyone than they are or will be against good teams. Still it was nice to see under control finishes at the rim even if contest was less....could be a confidence builder. The game was the equivalent of a baseball "laugher". As noted previously, Kanter is a MAN on the boards in every game...so welcomed after a several year 'boards drought'. At this point it looks like Langford and Waters might be the most talented draftees. I'm not sure how Grant helps us and Edwards has become a shadow since the summer. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 12, 2020 12:41:39 GMT -5
The lanes were much more open for everyone than they are or will be against good teams. Still it was nice to see under control finishes at the rim even if contest was less....could be a confidence builder. The game was the equivalent of a baseball "laugher". There's nothing better to break a scoring funk than a team playing soft zone defense lol. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 12, 2020 13:48:09 GMT -5
New Orleans had been playing well going 8-3 in their previous 11 with some good wins, it was a back to back though. C's went up big early behind Tatum and I think they kind of mailed it in after that.
Loved what Scal had to say about Tatum getting going early by getting to the rim after some poor shooting lately. That was Tatum showing everyone what his future looks like and the ball movement was much improved.
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 13, 2020 20:14:42 GMT -5
The Celtics desperately need to upgrade their bench. Wanamaker and Semi are not giving them much these days.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 13, 2020 21:24:18 GMT -5
The Celtics desperately need to upgrade their bench. Wanamaker and Semi are not giving them much these days. They BADLY need a scorer in that unit, even with Kanter providing some scoring they could use someone to create some shots. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 14, 2020 9:00:58 GMT -5
The Celtics desperately need to upgrade their bench. Wanamaker and Semi are not giving them much these days. They BADLY need a scorer in that unit, even with Kanter providing some scoring they could use someone to create some shots. Is this true tho? In the playoffs there’s almost no reason for 2 of Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward to not be on the court. Not saying they couldn’t use some, especially a great shooter (those are always valuable in the playoffs), but I wouldn’t say they badly need it. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 14, 2020 9:01:52 GMT -5
By the way, who would have predicted Jayson Tatum to be a better defender than Jaylen Brown let a lone a much better one?
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 14, 2020 11:32:04 GMT -5
They BADLY need a scorer in that unit, even with Kanter providing some scoring they could use someone to create some shots. Is this true tho? In the playoffs there’s almost no reason for 2 of Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward to not be on the court. Not saying they couldn’t use some, especially a great shooter (those are always valuable in the playoffs), but I wouldn’t say they badly need it. Sure, but you’re leaving yourself incredibly thin. One of Theis/Kanter and Smart are a good start, but they could really use another veteran player that can be relied on to produce off the bench. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 14, 2020 12:14:13 GMT -5
Is this true tho? In the playoffs there’s almost no reason for 2 of Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward to not be on the court. Not saying they couldn’t use some, especially a great shooter (those are always valuable in the playoffs), but I wouldn’t say they badly need it. Like WCP mentioned, you have no depth right now, so what if 2 of these guys struggle in a game? And while an elite scorer would be overkill, there are 3 guys in the rotation right now that give you nothing on offense (if Wanamaker does indeed continue to fade), so there's extra pressure on the starters because the defense will always focus on them. Giving Semi's minutes to someone who can either shoot or create would be huge. Oh and about Tatum being a better defender than Brown, you're spot on. It's crazy impressive and very surprising. There's certainly an argument to be made about Tatum being a better defender than even Smart right now. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 14, 2020 15:45:58 GMT -5
I guess we are nitpicking but, I was just reacting to the “BADLY need a scorer” statement. In my opinion, you don’t want a high usage scorer. A shooter? Yes, but to me that’s a guy who’s a high percentage 3 point shooter who may only take 4-5 shots but helps space the floor. A big? I can see that but that’s someone who can take up space and body up Embiid or clog a lane on Giannis.
The top 4 should all play 35+ in the playoffs and Smart another 30.
That leaves 22 non center minutes or if you want to include the center minutes that’s 70 minutes to divide between Kanter/Theis and Grant Williams plus whoever you bring in... we are looking for small role specialists.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 14, 2020 15:51:18 GMT -5
As I have been saying would happen ever since Boston picked up Kanter he is becoming an important player on this team, he is a double/double machine and he doesn't need many touches. And his defense is much improved which is to be expected on this team.
One question, if the C's 5th and 6th best players are Smart and Kanter isn't that pretty impressive? I mean who has a better 5,6 than those two, I don't think anybody does.
And yes!! Tatums progression on D shows a lot to me. Both his and Browns ceilings seem to be climbing and it is awesome to see. Give Kemba and Gordon some credit, their unselfish play has melded into the team. They don't care how many shots they get and are just as happy being facilitators.
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 14, 2020 16:49:50 GMT -5
As I have been saying would happen ever since Boston picked up Kanter he is becoming an important player on this team, he is a double/double machine and he doesn't need many touches. And his defense is much improved which is to be expected on this team. One question, if the C's 5th and 6th best players are Smart and Kanter isn't that pretty impressive? I mean who has a better 5,6 than those two, I don't think anybody does. And yes!! Tatums progression on D shows a lot to me. Both his and Browns ceilings seem to be climbing and it is awesome to see. Give Kemba and Gordon some credit, their unselfish play has melded into the team. They don't care how many shots they get and are just as happy being facilitators. Kanter has some flaws as a player, but he’s absurdly good value at $5 million. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 14, 2020 17:31:03 GMT -5
As I have been saying would happen ever since Boston picked up Kanter he is becoming an important player on this team, he is a double/double machine and he doesn't need many touches. And his defense is much improved which is to be expected on this team. One question, if the C's 5th and 6th best players are Smart and Kanter isn't that pretty impressive? I mean who has a better 5,6 than those two, I don't think anybody does. And yes!! Tatums progression on D shows a lot to me. Both his and Browns ceilings seem to be climbing and it is awesome to see. Give Kemba and Gordon some credit, their unselfish play has melded into the team. They don't care how many shots they get and are just as happy being facilitators. Toronto has Powell, Hollis-Jefferson and Ibaka coming off their bench. Milwaukee has George Hill and Ilyasova As much as we knocked the Lakers they have Rondo, KCP, Kuzma and Howard. So there are teams out there. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 14, 2020 17:34:41 GMT -5
As I have been saying would happen ever since Boston picked up Kanter he is becoming an important player on this team, he is a double/double machine and he doesn't need many touches. And his defense is much improved which is to be expected on this team. One question, if the C's 5th and 6th best players are Smart and Kanter isn't that pretty impressive? I mean who has a better 5,6 than those two, I don't think anybody does. And yes!! Tatums progression on D shows a lot to me. Both his and Browns ceilings seem to be climbing and it is awesome to see. Give Kemba and Gordon some credit, their unselfish play has melded into the team. They don't care how many shots they get and are just as happy being facilitators. Kanter has some flaws as a player, but he’s absurdly good value at $5 million. That is what I have been saying, I knew he would be a double machine for that price which is ridiculous. |
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