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2019-20 Boston Celtics Season
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 23, 2020 5:16:29 GMT -5
Back to back games with 30+ assists!! Leads to better shots, great FG% and another blowout. This is what I have been waiting/hoping for. Great ball movement is what Brad is all about.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 23, 2020 11:11:19 GMT -5
“He is,” said Kemba Walker on if Tatum was getting better at taking over games. “I’m trying to encourage him more to do so. He’s just gotta become that killer, which he is. It’s so fun to watch him and Jaylen (Brown), man. It’s so fun to be a part of their growth.” Imagine that, the team struggle for a bit and its biggest star doesn't throw his teammates under the bus. He stays supportive and doesn't try to hug the limelight. Imagine that!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 23, 2020 11:55:00 GMT -5
Seen an article talking about trading for Dennis Smith Jr. I don't know how much it would help this year, but he's a talented player.
I'd also look at Trier a SG on the Knicks. Again not having a great year because the Knicks aren't playing him. Yet he's always been a good 3 point shooter. I'm a little surprised he isn't talked about more, a lot of teams could use a guy like him.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 23, 2020 12:38:10 GMT -5
Seen an article talking about trading for Dennis Smith Jr. I don't know how much it would help this year, but he's a talented player. I really like DSJ, but I don't like the fit since he can't shoot. Trier makes more sense here.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 23, 2020 13:17:24 GMT -5
Seen an article talking about trading for Dennis Smith Jr. I don't know how much it would help this year, but he's a talented player. I'd also look at Trier a SG on the Knicks. Again not having a great year because the Knicks aren't playing him. Yet he's always been a good 3 point shooter. I'm a little surprised he isn't talked about more, a lot of teams could use a guy like him. I am surprised he hasn't done more in the NBA yet as he looked like he would coming out of college. If the price was right I would love to see the C's get him as I think he has a high ceiling and this team and coach might be perfect for him.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 23, 2020 13:52:04 GMT -5
I keep seeing suggestions (including BRobb and @dangercart) of Bogdanovic (Sac) and I'm starting to like it:
1. If Brown/Tatum/Hayward are healthy, he replaces Wanamaker in the rotation and provides much needed scoring off the bench. 2. If not, he can either fit into the starting lineup to replace 1 or, if they decided to put a "big" in the first 5, he can still fill the above role. 3. In the offseason, in a CRAZY scenario where Gordon decides that Boston hasn't been the right fit and thinks, long-term, he'd be better elsewhere, you keep BB as his "replacement". 4. If not, you COULD work a sign-and-trade to maybe get something back. 5. If Danny and Wyc really wanted to go crazy, they pay even more Luxury Tax and keep GH AND BB. The latter becomes a nice trade piece down the road should GH end up healthy and here long-term. 6. Or, more likely, you just let him walk and he's your typical "rental"
The cost, BRobb suggested the Memphis pick + salary (Poirier, Edwards, and either BW or Semi). Ryan B suggests Kanter + their own 1st and BRK's 2nd. I don't like that one (though Ryan does point out that there would need to be a 2nd deal to replace Kanter).
I don't love giving up that Memphis pick outright but if you put some protection around it, you can probably still trump the competition. Of the Playoff or Playoff Contending Teams, there are a bunch who can't trade a 1st (MIL, UTAH, DEN, IND, PHI, OKC, MEM and BRK all might owe their pick). So that leaves:
LAL - Pick will likely be the 2nd worst in the draft based on current records SA - Just read they are one of the least active teams at the deadline historically POR - Going after Love? PHO - Maybe Love as well but, either way, not sure trading a 1st for a rental makes sense
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MIA - Does wing depth really make sense for them? ORL - Much like PHO without the hint of a Love pursuit. Does a rental make sense for their future? DAL - Likely the real competition IMO.
Another idea I've heard/read is Alec Burks. Very cheap. Also didn't realize that, in addition to having played with Hayward and Kanter, he's also related to Tatum by marriage.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 23, 2020 16:01:45 GMT -5
Smart is turning into Larry Bird 2.0 with his behind the back, behind the head passes.....so fun to watch...
Lately he's been an alien...
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 23, 2020 16:27:31 GMT -5
Smart is turning into Larry Bird 2.0 with his behind the back, behind the head passes.....so fun to watch... Lately he's been an alien... Just one of the reasons this team is so exciting, Smart is a great 5th player on a team. OK so they don't have a top 10 player but 1 thru 5,6 they are all really good with a few guys still growing.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 23, 2020 17:01:25 GMT -5
Smart is turning into Larry Bird 2.0 with his behind the back, behind the head passes.....so fun to watch... Lately he's been an alien... Bird was exactly who I thought of with that behind the head look to Kemba.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 23, 2020 18:20:44 GMT -5
My god, Zion scored 17 straight points last night including 4-4 on 3's in 3 minutes and 29 seconds. And then he got pulled while still on the streak because of his minutes restriction.
He already did something no one ever did in NBA history in his first game.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 23, 2020 20:27:46 GMT -5
I keep seeing suggestions (including BRobb and @dangercart) of Bogdanovic (Sac) and I'm starting to like it: 1. If Brown/Tatum/Hayward are healthy, he replaces Wanamaker in the rotation and provides much needed scoring off the bench. 2. If not, he can either fit into the starting lineup to replace 1 or, if they decided to put a "big" in the first 5, he can still fill the above role. 3. In the offseason, in a CRAZY scenario where Gordon decides that Boston hasn't been the right fit and thinks, long-term, he'd be better elsewhere, you keep BB as his "replacement". 4. If not, you COULD work a sign-and-trade to maybe get something back. 5. If Danny and Wyc really wanted to go crazy, they pay even more Luxury Tax and keep GH AND BB. The latter becomes a nice trade piece down the road should GH end up healthy and here long-term. 6. Or, more likely, you just let him walk and he's your typical "rental" The cost, BRobb suggested the Memphis pick + salary (Poirier, Edwards, and either BW or Semi). Ryan B suggests Kanter + their own 1st and BRK's 2nd. I don't like that one (though Ryan does point out that there would need to be a 2nd deal to replace Kanter). I don't love giving up that Memphis pick outright but if you put some protection around it, you can probably still trump the competition. Of the Playoff or Playoff Contending Teams, there are a bunch who can't trade a 1st (MIL, UTAH, DEN, IND, PHI, OKC, MEM and BRK all might owe their pick). So that leaves: LAL - Pick will likely be the 2nd worst in the draft based on current records SA - Just read they are one of the least active teams at the deadline historically POR - Going after Love? PHO - Maybe Love as well but, either way, not sure trading a 1st for a rental makes sense or MIA - Does wing depth really make sense for them? ORL - Much like PHO without the hint of a Love pursuit. Does a rental make sense for their future? DAL - Likely the real competition IMO. Another idea I've heard/read is Alec Burks. Very cheap. Also didn't realize that, in addition to having played with Hayward and Kanter, he's also related to Tatum by marriage. Bogdanovic is a really good player; I’d take him in a heartbeat but I wouldn’t want it to be a rental and it wouldn’t have to be as he’s a RFA. There won’t be big money this offseason for a player like him so either you can extend him on a good deal or keep him on a one year deal.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 24, 2020 7:44:59 GMT -5
Are we really worried about protection on the Grizz pick?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 24, 2020 8:39:21 GMT -5
Are we really worried about protection on the Grizz pick? It’d be negligent not to put some protection on it if you are Danny. Even teams like the Bucks put protections on their first round picks when they are really good. Our pick from them is top 7 protected this year. It’s an extremely low chance but there’s still a chance the Memphis pick a top 5 pick next year (See spurs Tim Duncan or NOLA Zion), you put protections against that for a non super star type player. You just have to or you are a fool.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 24, 2020 13:39:33 GMT -5
Anything can happen in one year. Sure I believe that 100%. Yet talking about top five picks next year isn't one year. You need some miracle this year so the pick doesn't convey. Which means you add a top three pick to that team. Then you need them to suck or get crazy lucky again next year. It's the combo and that Franchise. Plus the pick is already top six protected this year. They are also one of the few teams that will have a ton of money to spend next year if they want to. Heck they might add to this years team with an Iggy trade.
So you can add some crazy protection, but like I asked are we really worried?
What are the current odds that pick conveys this year 95%?
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Post by texs31 on Jan 24, 2020 14:51:55 GMT -5
After the trade deadline, Memphis will have 31 games left. They are currently at 9th in the West and only 5 games away from the 2 teams that are only better than GSW in the conference. Of them, Portland may try for Love. NO just got Zion back. Minny has KAT and the owner is said to be looking to add to him. It's a stretch but a lot can happen over 30+ games.
Now, that "math" is just about keeping them in the lottery. Taking it further, there is (admittedly) an extremely small chance that it gets to the point where it rolls over until next year. So my concern there is small. But what if it's in the Top 10? Is Bogdanovic worth a Top 10 pick? Especially if it's that plus, say, Carsen Edwards (who I still think will have a role in this league). Probably not.
Even in this draft, I'd hate to lose a Top 10 pick when it's unnecessary. That's still an upside guy who could help fill in the rotation at a relatively cheap price. Obviously, the chances of that pick being a guy like that if it's 15-18 is much smaller.
Sac should have no expectation of getting a lottery pick for BB. So there should be no problem in putting that protection on it (by either side).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 24, 2020 16:21:32 GMT -5
You only trade the Grizz pick if you have to right? Which means your trading it to top other offers, which offer better picks than ours. So if you protected it for the lottery, which is a likely. What do you send them then? Our 2021 pick isn't likely better than our 2020 pick. Maybe top ten works because they see that as unlikely, but again if it happens and there is a semi decent chance it could. What do you send them? The way I look at it, if you include that pick it's because you need to for the player you want. Not because it might fall out of the lottery.
I touched on this a while back, getting BB seems to depend on if you want him long-term. Given his age I can see a bunch of teams looking at him as a building block, not your standard rental (a late first likely isn't enough). I don't share RJPs thoughts that he won't have suitors either. Shooting is all the rage right now. Heck he'd be a good fit for the Grizz next year. So if you want him it's likely going to cost you.
Is he worth the Grizz pick? All depends. If you want to keep him long-term that isn't crazy. He's young, very good shooter and would make an awesome 6th man. I certainly don't expect that though, but who knows. I would love a bench with a scorer like him and a defender like Smart though.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 24, 2020 18:58:00 GMT -5
Before the Celtics/Grizzlies game, Memphis had the 2nd best record in the NBA since 1/1, following the Lakers. They made that point because the Celtics beat them back to back. They're trending way up.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 24, 2020 19:05:08 GMT -5
Brown, Tatum and Kanter all out tonight. No more injuries please.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 24, 2020 19:06:38 GMT -5
I never said he won’t have suitors; but he’s not getting a max contract and it’s not common for guys to leave in restricted free agency. Plus, teams are expected to save money this year for the 2021 class. It all adds up to you either getting him long term for a decent contract ($18-22 per?) or having him back on the one year tender.
As far as being worried, no I wouldn’t lose sleep over it, but you still put the protection on it to protect you against the long shot. Also, you don’t trade a top 10 pick for a rental.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 24, 2020 19:10:09 GMT -5
Brown, Tatum and Kanter all out tonight. No more injuries please. No Romeo either, I’m back to being annoyed by him
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 24, 2020 19:12:03 GMT -5
Before the Celtics/Grizzlies game, Memphis had the 2nd best record in the NBA since 1/1, following the Lakers. They made that point because the Celtics beat them back to back. They're trending way up. Yea, but young teams often hit walls in the second half and they are still out performing their net rating
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 24, 2020 19:29:35 GMT -5
No Romeo either, I’m back to being annoyed by him Yeah, dude just flat out hasn't been healthy since being drafted.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 24, 2020 21:25:02 GMT -5
No Romeo either, I’m back to being annoyed by him Yeah, dude just flat out hasn't been healthy since being drafted. I believe the idea was to send him down to Maine to get some run. With Brown a game time decision, they didnt want to call him up only to have Brown available and he sits.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 24, 2020 21:25:33 GMT -5
HUGE win tonight, the Magic have been pretty decent lately. Kemba was the obvious highlight, but man Daniel Theis is a BALLER. I believe the idea was to send him down to Maine to get some run. With Brown a game time decision, they didnt want to call him up only to have Brown available and he sits. I prefer to believe that he's injured, the alternative is that he can't outplay Semi.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 24, 2020 22:19:57 GMT -5
Celtics have done well pulling out of their slump. They've had a tough stretch and have done much better than expected.
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