2019-20 Boston Celtics Season

Maybe they are the culprit, don't forget Tim Donaghy and his accusations, games like this
 has to make you wonder if he was telling the truth.

Brown  clearly not out off bounds, I have the still on the TV screen too show the ref is actually looking at his feet and imagined something that was not there, to miss a call is human to see something that didn't happen is conspirital.
Everyone missed this one, early in 4th, Lebron drives, great defense,he jumps lands THEN shoots,I have a still of it.
I bet there was close ten blatant calls all one way in the 4th. This was so bad that if you didn't question the motive of the league then you are oblivious to anything that goes on.

My take away is they moved the goal posts to give Tatum the nod. A basketball player having more affect on the game than a hockey player is not a reason to rank Tatum ahead of Tatum. This is coming from someone who loves Tatum and watches the Celtics before the Bruins. To rank Tatum first you either have to use projection or just use the last 30 days. Neither makes sense to me. But to each their own:

www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

Tatum is 5th in RPM for the season. I'm not a big enough hockey fan to know if he's truly better, yet it isn't crazy either. A guy in Basketball can also make a much bigger impact than in Hockey.

I guess there are two different debates here - who’s better within his respective sport, and which player is more valuable. If we’re debating the latter, then it’s probably Tatum in a landslide since his impact on the game will be so much greater than an individual, non-goalie can have in hockey.

If I’m choosing one Boston athlete to build a team around for the next 5+ years, then it’s easily Tatum in my opinion.

mobaz said, "...we need to infuse some high-upside youth, particularly on the baseball and football teams."

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Yeah, Pasta is right now a better hockey player than Tatum is a basketball player. It's just that basketball tends to be more spectacular than hockey and that extra step by Tatum is very recent, so the hype is still too young.



Mookie was 25 when he was the best player in one of the greatest teams of all time. I sure hope we don't trade Tatum and Pasta.

Tatum domination tour continued tonight, great stuff! It's amazing how often he knocks down that contested out of balance 3. Portland plays some awful defense, but they actually did well in spots against Tatum with Ariza guarding him close. Didn't matter, Tatum is just hitting everything.

I remember Popovich saying that reaching 40 wins before 20 losses is the sign of a really good team and the Celtics are indeed a REALLY good team.

First of all, don’t look for fights.

Kobe is a better player comp for Tatum than Hamilton is.

Like Kobe, Tatum is a tremendous shot maker. He typically creates shots with an array of ball handling moves, step backs, shimmy’s and ball fakes.
However, he is far less aggressive than a prime Kobe at forcing these difficult shots. Tatum is also a much better three point shooter than Kobe Bryant.

Your point about Kobe Bryant being a point guard is a strange one. Kobe was never listed as a one and was always a wing in my boom. Playing in the triangle complicates things. But Derek Fisher typically initiated the action and Kobe typically finished it.

Finally, Hamilton couldn’t be more different that Tatum and Kobe alike. Hamilton rarely handled the ball, but made his money off endless catch and shoots of long twos and backdoor cuts.

Hamilton

Wasn't even looking for a fight. I asked that as a legitimate quetion.

Kobe played PG in his first year as a pro. Settled in as a SG in the rest of his career.

Tatum creates his own shots more easily because he can shoot over the top of most wing players, which Hamilton shared back in the day. Tatum uses length and moves to beat you.

Kobe in his early days could flat out beat you to a spot with his quickness, pull a move you never seen before, and then shoot on any space in the floor. Tatum will never have that quickness. Two totally different players we are talking here.

Tatum looks to me he could more easily be on a path to borderline HOF track (AKA Hamilton again), than a guarenteed HOF track like Kobe was. You didn't question the ceiling of Kobe back then. A lot of people do question Tatum's ceiling.

Hamilton averaged around 20 points a game most of his career. I could very easily see that being Tatum.

You can compare Kobe's first three years with Tatum and say "I see similarities," but that's where it ends. Both players were really good when they were really young. That's the only similarity I see.

It's completely unfair to start comparing Tatum to top 15 talent of all-time. That kind of stuff deserves a nerf gun being shot at you.

Add- I mean, do we REALLY expect Tatum to start averaging like 26-28 points a game with 4 or 5 assists a game for the next 13 years like Kobe did at his 4th year in the league?

Tatum is averaging 30.3 PPG in February. And hi pedrofan.