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Post by redsox09 on Feb 27, 2020 3:38:14 GMT -5
I'd be very happy with Tatum's career if he averaged 18-20 points a game the next 11 years like Hamilton. That's a really solid career, not a insult. Don't get where you think that's a insult. If you start by saying "Who wants to start comparing Tatum to Kobe?" That's where the cutoff is. That's where you lose me. That's ridiculous. Idc if a national reporter says it or not, doesn't make it any more right. Got to pick your words carefully. That statement/question alone certainly deserved criticism. They can be similar and totally different at the same time, so we are literally going to go around in circles here and I'll stop the argument here for the sake of my sanity. I only see them being young and great. Everything else (even despite having some of the same bag of tricks offensively), yeah totally different. So you'd be happy that a young player like Tatum peaked at age 21? Then gets worse over his peak years? You don't think that is insulting? Think about that for a second. Maybe just look at the whole sentence. Again the statement was who wants to start comparing Tatum to Kobe, I see some similarities. I see none. I did look at the whole sentence. The only thing that's similar is that Tatum learned some of Kobe's moves from Kobe and him being good really young. I outlined why a bunch of times, which you seem to have ignored half of the reasons. Big important points that clearly separates the two players. No I don't think Tatum puting up 20 points a game is a negative/insulting for 11 seasons. I think that's a solid career. A career that would make him a borderline HOF. It would mean he'd have a fairly healthy career too. You know what's worse? Derek Rose blowing out his knee and not being close to HOF worthy. Len Bias dying of cocaine overdose 2 days after he signed his first contract. The kind of varaibles that can even prevent Tatum from even being even Hamilton (death, injuries). The projection that doesn't put him in the HOF yet (the safe bet). I don't expect him to peak at 35 points a game on average or even 30 points a game on average in a whole season in his peak for example (Kobe). That would be a letdown to expect that one day. He shouldn't be put in the same conversation until he actually reached Kobe's peak. Get back to me in 5 years. Then talk Kobe if he's close. |
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Post by philarhody on Feb 27, 2020 6:20:36 GMT -5
While some (one?) of us can continue speculating that Jayson Tatum may be peaking at 21 or developing a drug issue, Tom Westerholm of MassLive had this tweet last night:
“Jayson Tatum was informed Marcus Smart said this is the best stretch of basketball in his Celtics career.
Tatum clicked his tongue. ‘We won like 16 games in a row my rookie year. THAT was crazy.’”
Amazing. Starting to really like this kid.
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Post by redsox09 on Feb 27, 2020 6:29:01 GMT -5
Tatum is not going to die of drug problems or develop drug issues. Death however is a fragile thing. We are already taking for granted that Tatum is going to be a HOF. Not taking into account random freak injuries, diseases, death, poor peformance, inconsistencies.
I hope he reaches Kobe Bryant level of play, but I myself realize that has a 5 percent chance of happening. Therefore, I don't do the comparisons of the all-time greats due to the unfairness of what should become in Tatum's future. It's a respect thing.
Marcus Smart won that game in the forth quarter. That was a amazing stretch of basketball by him. It's going to be hard to take him out of the 4th quarter come play-off time.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 27, 2020 8:27:22 GMT -5
This is starting to go off the deep end here. People are talking about projections and it’s understood that freak things happen. Tatum is showing the ability to play at an elite level for an extended stretch and it matches the projection of his ceiling so this isn’t some out of no where thing like Jeremy Lin on a crappy team. This is a guy playing like a star on a really good team and not being constantly fed the ball. In other words, he’s doing it within the flow of the game. So take issue with the Kobe comps that’s fair but let’s simmer down on the other stuff. Enjoy the ride.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 27, 2020 11:32:28 GMT -5
Don I have to ask how do you get Brown is a taller Avery Bradley? Brown scores inside a ton, Bradley shoots a ton of long two pointers. Yeah they are both good defensive players that shoot threes, yet Brown can do so much more than Bradley ever could. He can actually create offense. I was kidding, it's just that I used to see that when Brown couldn't dribble and was really inconsistent with his shooting. Since then, he developed a go to move on the mid range, shoots much better from 3 and of course he's now able to drive to the hoop with ease. Jaylen is a really impressive player, he gets a bit underrated playing next to Tatum. And Marcus Smart last night jesus, that stretch in the 4th where he hit 3 threes in a row won the game. It's crazy that there is so much talent on this team and everyone's really likable too, but Smart is my favorite player by quite a margin. And I know I'm not alone here. Just a winner, I hope he's here for his entire career. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 27, 2020 18:03:36 GMT -5
This is crazy, Kobe couldn't even shoot. Tatum is an Assassin and along with Brown will dominate the NBA for the next 10 plus years. Six titles starting this year, mark it down, take it to the bank!
Richard Hamilton lol, Tatum's daughters will be better players! First females to play in the NBA and go to HOF!
The debate isn't if Tatum and Brown are HOF players, but if they are better than Jordan and Pippen. Which it sure looks that way! Langford will make five all-star teams and Robert Williams will be defensive player of the year for five years straight starting next year!
Yup everyone can make crazy predictions. Seems certain people can make 15 different accounts and are looking at records like how many times can you get banned.
I'm sorry Pedro but I've had enough of your trashing Tatum and you've done that for years. If you had it your way we'd have no Tatum or Brown and still have that cancer Irving. Don't you remember when you said I was crazy for saying we'd win more games this year without Irving? How we needed a guy like Irving, how we should trade Tatum, Brown and picks for Davis because we needed a guy like him. How basically only Irving and Davis could win us a title.
Just sit back and enjoy the show! BTW Tatum really is an Assassin!
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2020 6:52:00 GMT -5
Record when Tatum scores...
25 or more: 20-4
Less than 20: 9-10
Illustrates how his scoring is important to the team and how his big scoring nights help the team overall, they don’t take away from it. Sometimes when a guy scores a lot it comes at the expense of the team.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 28, 2020 10:01:31 GMT -5
Record when Tatum scores... 25 or more: 20-4 Less than 20: 9-10 Illustrates how his scoring is important to the team and how his big scoring nights help the team overall, they don’t take away from it. Sometimes when a guy scores a lot it comes at the expense of the team. Well there are now going to be adjustments. He's going to have to start looking to create shots for his teammates when he's getting doubled which is probably going to be all the time soon. That can work out well when there are two other guys who are averaging 20+ points. Would like to see the assist totals go up. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2020 12:36:19 GMT -5
Record when Tatum scores... 25 or more: 20-4 Less than 20: 9-10 Illustrates how his scoring is important to the team and how his big scoring nights help the team overall, they don’t take away from it. Sometimes when a guy scores a lot it comes at the expense of the team. Well there are now going to be adjustments. He's going to have to start looking to create shots for his teammates when he's getting doubled which is probably going to be all the time soon. That can work out well when there are two other guys who are averaging 20+ points. Would like to see the assist totals go up. It will just accelerate the development of that part of his game. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2020 12:36:34 GMT -5
Also; was Pedro really banned?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 28, 2020 15:59:05 GMT -5
Yes Pedro was banned a while back. Then he was dirtywater who was banned I don't know a few weeks ago after I had seen him go full on Pedro in a thread. Then he was Redsox09, then he created an account and went crazy last night saying all type of crap. He does a decent job of blending in most of the time in the Red Sox posts, but you can tell in two seconds with his Patriot and Celtic posts.
Pedro you need to hear this, follow the rules! It isn't about being right or wrong. Don't go crazy posting crap everytime. A bunch of us like you overall, but you always need to be right to a crazy extreme level. Which is saying something! Example you didn't think Tatum would be that good, which was fine. Yet you take it to the extremes. He has a season at 21 playing at an all-star level, with a stretch of playing like a superstar and you want to compare him to a guy that never came close to that level in his entire career.
Smart drove me crazy for years, but I'm glad he's getting better. I'm a Celtic fan it just makes sense. I'm glad when I'm wrong about our players.
You certainly didn't get banned for no reason. The Mods tell you to cool it, take a break, listen to what they have to say. It's their site and board, so we have to play by their rules! A bunch of us get warnings but don't get banned. I certainly don't always agree with them, but they are rather fair also if you follow their rules.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 28, 2020 16:02:30 GMT -5
Record when Tatum scores... 25 or more: 20-4 Less than 20: 9-10 Illustrates how his scoring is important to the team and how his big scoring nights help the team overall, they don’t take away from it. Sometimes when a guy scores a lot it comes at the expense of the team. You have any data on FG% in those games? I feel his recent stretch is basically he got back to scoring at the rim. He's basically eliminated those horrible games where he'd go 1 for 10 on layups. Also being an all-star seems to given him new confidence. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 28, 2020 16:09:48 GMT -5
Well there are now going to be adjustments. He's going to have to start looking to create shots for his teammates when he's getting doubled which is probably going to be all the time soon. That can work out well when there are two other guys who are averaging 20+ points. Would like to see the assist totals go up. It will just accelerate the development of that part of his game. He's been really good at not going full on Irving and playing within the system. Last game he was on fire in the 2nd, they changed their D to double him. He let Brown go off in the third, then Smart in the fourth. Which is crazy impressive for a 21 year old. Most guys when they get hot just keep chucking up shots till they go cold. It's why I love this team they play team ball 100% and always play within the system. You are in trouble if you need to always double Tatum with Walker, Hayward and Brown on the team. Anyone of them is capable of taking over games. Heck if Smart is hitting shots watch out. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2020 16:27:35 GMT -5
Record when Tatum scores... 25 or more: 20-4 Less than 20: 9-10 Illustrates how his scoring is important to the team and how his big scoring nights help the team overall, they don’t take away from it. Sometimes when a guy scores a lot it comes at the expense of the team. You have any data on FG% in those games? I feel his recent stretch is basically he got back to scoring at the rim. He's basically eliminated those horrible games where he'd go 1 for 10 on layups. Also being an all-star seems to given him new confidence. I don’t, if I get in the mood later, I’ll see about putting some together. He’s definitely finishing better at the rim the last 2 months that i know. I can pretty easily put together basic FG% for the games I mentioned. I just read something that he was the first player in NBA history to shoot 60% from the field while attempting 20 shots and at least 5 3 pointers in a game..:: seems hard to believe tho. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 28, 2020 21:48:30 GMT -5
The Bucks are flat out breaking the game right now. Just incredible. You take a couple of bad shots and that's that, suddenly it's a 20 point blowout. Up there with those Bulls and those Warriors as the most dominant team I saw in my life. The only way to beat them is to force Brook Lopes and Eric Bledsoe to shoot and even then, the team is so well coached that they won't do that easily. AND EVEN THEN you have to score on them, which isn't a given. Incredible.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 29, 2020 7:11:36 GMT -5
The Bucks are flat out breaking the game right now. Just incredible. You take a couple of bad shots and that's that, suddenly it's a 20 point blowout. Up there with those Bulls and those Warriors as the most dominant team I saw in my life. The only way to beat them is to force Brook Lopes and Eric Bledsoe to shoot and even then, the team is so well coached that they won't do that easily. AND EVEN THEN you have to score on them, which isn't a given. Incredible. Honestly, part of me wants them to win it all this year so Giannis stays long term. It’s good for the NBA when a team like Milwaukee can keep its star player. I hate to say it, but the fact Giannis is Greek and not American makes it more likely he may stay there long term and not be chasing LA or Miami. Of course winning didn’t keep Leonard in Toronto, which also would have been good for the NBA. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 29, 2020 7:13:57 GMT -5
Hey guys I'm back hope you didn't miss me too much, LOL. Been in the hospital for over a month and lucky to still be here. All I missed is Tatum developing into a superstar, at least in the short term. The thing I notice is the efficiency, all of a sudden scoring 30 a night on only 20 shots. And the patience he is showing while getting to the hoop is an unbelievable progression from early in the season when he was missing inside 6 ft. Certainly a lot of fun to catch up on while recovering.
Umass catching on to Pedro and all his personas is LOL funny, still chuckling. Pedro just can't help himself, LOL!! Heck I had my share of arguing with him as Dirtywater and I didn't catch on, LOL. Still chuckling.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 29, 2020 7:15:15 GMT -5
Big stretch coming up for the Celtics. Toronto just lost to Charlotte at home evening up then and the Celtics in the loss column. Toronto starts a 5 game West Coast trip. If Celtics win tonight they are tied for 2nd in the East.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 29, 2020 9:35:29 GMT -5
Hey guys I'm back hope you didn't miss me too much, LOL. Been in the hospital for over a month and lucky to still be here. All I missed is Tatum developing into a superstar, at least in the short term. The thing I notice is the efficiency, all of a sudden scoring 30 a night on only 20 shots. And the patience he is showing while getting to the hoop is an unbelievable progression from early in the season when he was missing inside 6 ft. Certainly a lot of fun to catch up on while recovering. Umass catching on to Pedro and all his personas is LOL funny, still chuckling. Pedro just can't help himself, LOL!! Heck I had my share of arguing with him as Dirtywater and I didn't catch on, LOL. Still chuckling. Glad to have you back and alive. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 29, 2020 9:41:06 GMT -5
Tomorrow is buyout day, I don’t expect much to come up for the Celtics but will be interesting to see if they decide to add someone. IT is still a possibility if no one else is bought out. Made sense to wait on him to see if something better came along. Not saying he’s a good addition but with Romeo’s defense, I see Green as being very replaceable. We also have a pretty full roster and 3 first round picks for next year so there’s not a real reason to keep him around. IT would be strictly for certain situations where you wanted a spot up shooter on the floor.
Rob Williams is cleared to play which is huge. Feels like they took it really easy with him. I can’t decide if Houston is a good matchup for him because of his athleticism or a bad matchup for him. I’d expect him to get at least one “shift” tonight. Maybe just for 2-3 minutes to get his feet wet.
His return is more important than any buy out guy we could likely get.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 29, 2020 12:04:25 GMT -5
Hey guys I'm back hope you didn't miss me too much, LOL. Been in the hospital for over a month and lucky to still be here. All I missed is Tatum developing into a superstar, at least in the short term. The thing I notice is the efficiency, all of a sudden scoring 30 a night on only 20 shots. And the patience he is showing while getting to the hoop is an unbelievable progression from early in the season when he was missing inside 6 ft. Certainly a lot of fun to catch up on while recovering. Umass catching on to Pedro and all his personas is LOL funny, still chuckling. Pedro just can't help himself, LOL!! Heck I had my share of arguing with him as Dirtywater and I didn't catch on, LOL. Still chuckling. Welcome back friend, hope you're doing well. Celtics are playing some sweet basketball right now, should be a lot of fun tonight against the Rockets. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 29, 2020 12:06:54 GMT -5
Hey guys I'm back hope you didn't miss me too much, LOL. Been in the hospital for over a month and lucky to still be here. All I missed is Tatum developing into a superstar, at least in the short term. The thing I notice is the efficiency, all of a sudden scoring 30 a night on only 20 shots. And the patience he is showing while getting to the hoop is an unbelievable progression from early in the season when he was missing inside 6 ft. Certainly a lot of fun to catch up on while recovering. Umass catching on to Pedro and all his personas is LOL funny, still chuckling. Pedro just can't help himself, LOL!! Heck I had my share of arguing with him as Dirtywater and I didn't catch on, LOL. Still chuckling. Welcome back friend, hope you're doing well. Celtics are playing some sweet basketball right now, should be a lot of fun tonight against the Rockets. This just made me realize we have someone to blame if they start playing poorly. 🤣😂 |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 29, 2020 12:51:58 GMT -5
Tomorrow is buyout day, I don’t expect much to come up for the Celtics but will be interesting to see if they decide to add someone. IT is still a possibility if no one else is bought out. Made sense to wait on him to see if something better came along. Not saying he’s a good addition but with Romeo’s defense, I see Green as being very replaceable. We also have a pretty full roster and 3 first round picks for next year so there’s not a real reason to keep him around. IT would be strictly for certain situations where you wanted a spot up shooter on the floor. Rob Williams is cleared to play which is huge. Feels like they took it really easy with him. I can’t decide if Houston is a good matchup for him because of his athleticism or a bad matchup for him. I’d expect him to get at least one “shift” tonight. Maybe just for 2-3 minutes to get his feet wet. His return is more important than any buy out guy we could likely get. They likely don't add anyone, but if you wanted to add more shooting instead of Thomas I'd go with Trey Burke. He's not Thomas level bad on D, yet he still isn't good. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 29, 2020 12:53:35 GMT -5
Grizz have now lost five straight and you now have a bunch of teams getting real close. The Pelicans and Kings are playing very well right now.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 29, 2020 18:17:06 GMT -5
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