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Post by texs31 on Mar 19, 2020 8:26:35 GMT -5
With the suspension of the season and subsequent chatter that the NBA might want to use this as a test (if this season ever resumes) to see if they can/should move their season back to not compete with the NFL as much (instead, competing with Summer Vacations). I even saw one proposed schedule that had all teams starting the season on Christmas Day and moving everything back (including the draft).
Before seeing that, I was wondering if moving the season back BUT keeping the draft where it is would be good. Trying to see if you could have 2 separate infusions of talent onto a team (traditional Trade Deadline AND the addition of drafted players). Every team would get the ability to add something exciting to their team mid-season.
Not sure it would be logistical possible given the investment by GMs and Coaches in the drafting process and the interruption that would be to the season.
I also tried to convince myself that it would help with tanking (teams would have to commit to tanking MUCH earlier which may not be palatable to teams still trying to sell tickets - unless it's Philly). But, at the end of the day, I couldn't convince myself that it would absolutely curb tanking.
Anyways, such are the musings when social distancing.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 19, 2020 23:39:56 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 21, 2020 5:29:47 GMT -5
He’s not showing symptoms yet |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 30, 2020 6:36:54 GMT -5
Has anyone seen how much the salary cap next year could be affected by this stoppage in play?
Might make a Tatum max cheaper and a Hayward extension cheaper as well. At the very least it makes it even more likely Hayward opts in.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 30, 2020 11:53:34 GMT -5
Tatum's wouldn't kick in until the following season and one would think things would be back to normal by then. Either way, the official number wouldn't be calculated until THAT year's cap is determined (place holder based on projections would be used given he's a max).
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 26, 2020 15:57:05 GMT -5
Guess he’s not getting drafted....  |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 16, 2020 13:22:25 GMT -5
I’d love to see the Celtics draft Cassius Stanley with one of their 2 late firsts. He’s a beast of an athlete and the exact type of guy I’d love to see them develop in the G league for a year or 2.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 18, 2020 13:57:22 GMT -5
Can he play D?
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Post by rjp313jr on May 18, 2020 16:48:40 GMT -5
He can - he’s a little reckless on that end right now because of being overly aggressive. Good news is he’s high motor and by all accounts he’s a hard worker. He’s a good rebounder (5 per game) for his size too because he’s smart and his leaping ability is just like Zion. Quick and explosive and successive, but he’s obviously not Zion, but he beat his vertical record. He just has that same leaping ability, which also helps him block a good number of shots. His drawback is he’s not “long”. He’s normal length. 6’6 with a 6’6 wingspan. He’s also someone who can handle the ball and his shooting looks promising. 36% from 3 on 3 per game and 73% ft shooter. Needs more development there but he’s way too good an athlete and way to smart to pass on with your second or 3rd pick at the end of the first round. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 19, 2020 11:46:03 GMT -5
Working on my draft targets... compiling an initial list to dig into. What I will say about this draft is that it’s a terrible year to be at the top but it’s actually a good year to have 3 picks middle and late. The depth is really really good. I know the Celtics don’t have a lot of roster room, but I’m pretty good with them adding 3 first round rookies.
Edwards (replaced by rookie)
Green (replaced by rookie)
Ojeleeye (replaced by rookie)
Poirier (Tacko)
Wannamaker (Waters)
They’ll want the cheaper contracts to offset the expensive roster....
In an ideal world, they only take 2 rookies and trade a pick for a first next year and then use the roster spot to sign a guy with the midlevel. Unless, Kanter opts out.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 19, 2020 13:17:19 GMT -5
I can't wait to see the list, I basically gave up because there is no consensus after the lottery.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 20, 2020 6:12:10 GMT -5
Here’s a preliminary list....don’t pay much attention to the order they are listed. Although I did separate them into 2 groups Memphis pick and later picks.
I’m very early in the process and need to watch some film on guys but this is the start of things based on scouting reports.
Memphis pick prospects:
Tyrese Halliburton PG Iowa St.
will likely be gone but teams aren’t sold on his athleticism. Could slide.
Josh Green Shooting Guard Arizona.
6-5 (6’10 wing) 205lbs
Elite defender - handled PG duties when Manion was off the court (fits Celtics switchable offense and defense) shows range 36% 3pt on 2.8 per game... 78% ft. Can rebound above average for size. Upside is that of a player who can play and defend the 1-4 in the new NBA. I almost want to compare him to Jaylen Brown but less athletic and a way better play maker.
Daniel Oturu, center, Minnesota
6’10 (7-foot-3 wingspan ) 240... has 3 points range 36% last year. agile - can defend in space.
Aaron Nesmith, Small Forward, Vanderbilt...
6’6” with 7’ wing span
shot 52.2 percent from 3 on 8.2 attempts per game.... small sample due to injury and against weak competition (14 games before conference play). is long - fits Celtics desire for long wings. Not great defensively but did average 1.4 spg. a pure shooter and moves well off the ball seems to be a solid rebounder.
Patrick Williams SF/PF FSU. 6’8 225lbs
6’11 wingspan. Freak athlete... super young - won’t turn 19 until August. Will need time to develop but already shows 3pt range. I wouldn’t hate taking him with the Memphis pick but it feels slightly early depending on who else is available.
Jaden McDaniels, Forward, Washington
6’11 with 6’11.5 wing span. Projects as a stretch 4 at the next level but athletic enough to play 3. Very thin (could be a small ball 5 if adds weight)... good range 34% on over 4 threes per game and 76% from the line. He’s hard to peg... would love him with the Celtics pick but I doubt he lasts - would talk myself into loving him with the Memphis pick and wouldn’t be shocked if he were a late lottery pick.
Prospects for later picks
Aleksej Pokuševski F/C Greece
7’ with 7’3 wing span - 9’1 standing reach. Shows range. Is very young and thin. Has skills and inconsistent range. Would be an ideal draft and stash.
Zeke Nnaji, Power Forward, Arizona
6’10 w/ 7’1 wing.... great rebounder. Over 3 offensive rebounds per game. Strong defender with agility and quickness to defend on perimeter.
needs to develop his shot but a good FT shooter helps to project that. Needs to add strength. Poor passer and turns it over quite a bit. Very young but someone scouts feel could play a role right away.
Devin Vassell, Small Forward/Shooting Guard, Florida State
6’7 w/ 6’10 wing span.... plus versatile defender and shot over 41% from three (3.5 attempts per game). Young Sophomore but needs to add strength.
Reggie Perry Mississippi State
6-9, 250 Power Forward
Mobile big man who’s a great rebounder and can defend in space. Good FT% 77% on over 6 per game and improved 3 point shot shows promise he could develop range. 6’11 wingspan and 8’10 standing reach
Tyler Bey, Forward, Colorado
6-foot-7, 215 pounds 7’1 wing span
older prospect... shows range but on limited attempts. Strong and switchable defender who’s a great athlete. Despite age keeps improving and athletic profile shows more room for growth. Interesting end of first round prospect.
Saddiq Bey, Shooting Guard, Villanova 6’8 w/ 7foot wing span.
Elite shooter: Shot 45% from 3 on 2.5 makes per game. Limited athlete, questions about if he can replicate his game in the pros.
Cassius Stanley, Shooting Guard/ Small Forward, Duke
Beast of an athlete. Great defender and very smart player. Needs to work on his shooting but showed promise. Could be a 3 and D player on the wing like a more athletic Bruce Bowen
Jahmi’Us Ramsey, Shooting Guard, Texas Tech...
6’4... could be a combo guard... great catch and shoot shooter. Has a strange shooting motion. Is thin and needs to add strength.
Kira Lewis, Point Guard, Alabama
6’3 but tiny frame - way too skinny... can score from all 3 levels.
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Post by philarhody on May 20, 2020 7:20:35 GMT -5
Some other interesting names late in Rd 1:
Killian Tillie: surefire top ten pick if he was healthy. He isn’t. If a team can put him through a similar metamorphosis as Steph Curry early in his career (ankle strength wise), he would be a steal. Awesome catch and shooter, great finisher in the post, really gives a crap on defense and is switchable.
Paul Reed: monster defensively. I think he has tremendous upside offensively. I don’t think the shot is as ugly as everyone else does. Has a handle and is a pick and roll weapon. Reminds me of a more athletic Daniel Theis. Athleticism stats (rebounds, steals, blocks) are borderline elite, which matches the eye test.
Aleksej Pokusevski: if you view him as a big, he’s almost undraftable. Skinny with very narrow shoulders.
But I think he’s more of a wing. Moves so well considering length and has real skill. Shot looks legit.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 20, 2020 10:19:17 GMT -5
Some other interesting names late in Rd 1: Killian Tillie: surefire top ten pick if he was healthy. He isn’t. If a team can put him through a similar metamorphosis as Steph Curry early in his career (ankle strength wise), he would be a steal. Awesome catch and shooter, great finisher in the post, really gives a crap on defense and is switchable. Paul Reed: monster defensively. I think he has tremendous upside offensively. I don’t think the shot is as ugly as everyone else does. Has a handle and is a pick and roll weapon. Reminds me of a more athletic Daniel Theis. Athleticism stats (rebounds, steals, blocks) are borderline elite, which matches the eye test. Aleksej Pokusevski: if you view him as a big, he’s almost undraftable. Skinny with very narrow shoulders. But I think he’s more of a wing. Moves so well considering length and has real skill. Shot looks legit. I’ll look more into the first 2... i have Aleksej on my list... hes only 18... ridiculously skinny like you said... i don’t know enough about body type to know if he can add weight or not but he’s a guy I’d be happy with at the Celtics pick for a draft and stash. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 20, 2020 13:45:07 GMT -5
NBA draft room has us taking Theo Maledon, Jalen Smith, Paul Reed and Isaiah Joe.
Nbadraft.net RJ Hampton, Isaiah Stewart, Tre Jones and Ashton Hagans
For our first pick right now I like Green, Oturu, Vassell and if you like Reed then Precious Achiuwa is a very similar player. Same type of questions though shooting and can he bulk up.
Isaiah Stewart highly intrigues me. He's a dominant low post scorer and rebounder. Not an elite athlete but he moves well for his size and shows flashes of a very nice jumper. 6'9" 250 with a 7'4" wingspan. He's got the length and strength to bang with true centers. Not going to be a star, but if he's a hard worker he'll have a long career. The key being developing his jumper and taking it a lot more.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 20, 2020 14:06:06 GMT -5
Watching tape on Oturu you see why he's rising up draft boards. I'm just surprised by how skinny he looks at 6'10" 240. He'll need 20 more pounds of muscle to battle inside in the NBA.
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Post by texs31 on May 20, 2020 15:07:31 GMT -5
Back to the season stuff (given the thread), it looks like the NBA might be moving towards some continuation of the season.
Woj/Lowe reporting that teams are expected to receive guidelines on June 1 with regard to recalling players that had left their markets. This would be first step towards ramping up to a resumption.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 20, 2020 15:18:30 GMT -5
Back to the season stuff (given the thread), it looks like the NBA might be moving towards some continuation of the season. Woj/Lowe reporting that teams are expected to receive guidelines on June 1 with regard to recalling players that had left their markets. This would be first step towards ramping up to a resumption. Regular season is probably toast, right? It should be. Rank the teams as they are right now and have them play normal best of 7 rounds in July in a single location. Anything other than that is overthinking it. |
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Post by texs31 on May 20, 2020 15:29:18 GMT -5
Not sure they've figured that out yet. They could do some play-in formats for teams that might've had a chance to earn a spot down the stretch.
Only heard ideas floated from the usual suspects.
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Post by texs31 on May 20, 2020 18:56:28 GMT -5
Keith Smith was wondering if they need to get to 70 games since that's what many regional sports network contracts account for. Just a guess on his part but as his tweet says, "money makes the world go round".
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 21, 2020 11:14:44 GMT -5
I don't get the NBA. They have the easiest task for finishing the season and yet they are moving crazy slow. It would make sense to play some games before they playoffs start. These guys will need something after such a long layoff.
On the flip side let's hope this rest made us healthy, especially Walker who wasn't close before it stopped.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 22, 2020 7:10:20 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on May 22, 2020 13:14:42 GMT -5
RIP Jerry Sloan, those Jazz teams were a lot of fun for a very long time.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 26, 2020 5:52:24 GMT -5
I really liked this big board. It’s a lot different than a lot of them which I respect. Has Wiseman way down at 26, Carey JR at 56 and Stewart isn’t even in the top 75. I can respect those rankings... Wiseman is hard because he barely played, but I think the traditional big man is on life support in the NBA. Yes, you have Embiid but that’s a lot to do with his Athleticism and you see the issues with building a team around him even with that. These guys are role players now for the most part (yes there’s a small handful of exceptions). I want nothing to do with Carey or Stewart and I love Duke. Carey is 20 years too late for the NBA. Anyways, I certainly don’t agree with all the rankings but this isn’t a take just to be different - I get the rankings and I appreciate an independent view. It also highlights how weak this draft is at the top but also how deep it is. uproxx.com/dimemag/2020-nba-draft-big-board/ |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 26, 2020 17:11:51 GMT -5
I have a big problem with the guy ranking Wiseman mid 20s because he'll need a few years to be an impactful player. Yet his 5/6 is a 3 and d guy, along with another guy he won't even call a starter. Very few young players are very impactful there first couple of year.
Say what you want about Stewart he's a projection guy, what a team can mold him into. What he can be 4 years from now. He's getting drafted I'll bet money on that. Nevermind how do you have Oturu at 71? How do you have Stanley in the 50s?
He knows his stuff but seems to use advance stats way too much at the College level. I looked at some of his other stuff and he talks more about defensive college box scores than every other expert combined in a single podcast. It's about projections. I love guys like this because they can help you pick out some sleepers, yet the overall approach is crazy. It's about upside in the NBA more than anything. Look at Jaylen Brown. It's kinda like Jay Bilas and his WARP projections.
It's why athletic testing is so big for the NBA draft and it's kinda crazy to do rankings without.
It's the same stuff they said about Bam a few years ago, look at him now. Huge reason why Miami is doing good. You need to be able to match up against those guys. He's not an old school dominant low post scorer but he can control the paint. That matters more in the playoffs. Centers are like RBs that everyone thought were going to be worthless. Then you watch the Ravens, Titans and 49ers run through the league.
There are zero issues building around Embiid, it's building around him with Simmons. You can't have a low post scorer with a ball dominant guard who can't shoot and needs to live in the paint. Yet also don't forget how they destroyed us in the paint when they were healthy at the start of the year.
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