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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 19, 2020 22:19:12 GMT -5
I need someone to explain to me how that was a flagrant foul by Brown. How was it unnecessary contact when Robinson literally got close when he was moving his arms? Yeah if he was there to begin with sure, but he created the contact so how can it be unnecessary?
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Post by tizzle on Sept 19, 2020 22:19:53 GMT -5
Overall, really impressed with the bounce back tonight. Stevens had the game plan. Brown, Tatum, Walker and Smart were all great. Williams gave a nice jolt off the bench. Hayward was as good as could be expected.
Seemed like the bounces and refs were going against us, but they won anyway.
I almost didn't watch tonight, but glad I did. Got a little bit squirrelly towards the end, but they earned the W.
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Post by tizzle on Sept 19, 2020 22:22:38 GMT -5
I need someone to explain to me how that was a flagrant foul by Brown. How was it unnecessary contact when Robinson literally got close when he was moving his arms? Yeah if he was there to begin with sure, but he created the contact so how can it be unnecessary? I was so baffled that that was not only called, but everyone seemed to think it was a no-brainer. He was so up on Brown that if Brown just stood up straight he was going to knock him down. He literally couldn't do anything with his arms there but hold them over his head or he was going to hit the guy. Ridiculous. Infuriating. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 19, 2020 22:32:37 GMT -5
I need someone to explain to me how that was a flagrant foul by Brown. How was it unnecessary contact when Robinson literally got close when he was moving his arms? Yeah if he was there to begin with sure, but he created the contact so how can it be unnecessary? I felt like the biggest Celtics homer ever because that's a clear foul on Jaylen. The elbow contact happens way AFTER Robinson hits him with his arm basically glued to JB. That got a bit dicey at the end, but other than that it was a beautiful game, especially at some bits in the 3rd. Celtics finally looked at the Heat zone and thought you know what, screw you. Had everyone attacking off the dribble. Hayward makes a huge difference because he allows Boston to go small with Jaylen at Bam, which could really lock the Heat offense. Felt the Celtics were a bit tired at the end, which allowed Miami to make that run, and that's not surprising. They defended like mad men. |
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Post by tizzle on Sept 19, 2020 22:45:31 GMT -5
I need someone to explain to me how that was a flagrant foul by Brown. How was it unnecessary contact when Robinson literally got close when he was moving his arms? Yeah if he was there to begin with sure, but he created the contact so how can it be unnecessary? I felt like the biggest Celtics homer ever because that's a clear foul on Jaylen. The elbow contact happens way AFTER Robinson hits him with his arm basically glued to JB. That got a bit dicey at the end, but other than that it was a beautiful game, especially at some bits in the 3rd. Celtics finally looked at the Heat zone and thought you know what, screw you. Had everyone attacking off the dribble. Hayward makes a huge difference because he allows Boston to go small with Jaylen at Bam, which could really lock the Heat offense. Felt the Celtics were a bit tired at the end, which allowed Miami to make that run, and that's not surprising. They defended like mad men. You mean Jaylen was clearly fouled? I was pretty confused by your post until I realized that might have been what you meant. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 19, 2020 22:51:13 GMT -5
You mean Jaylen was clearly fouled? I was pretty confused by your post until I realized that might have been what you meant. Yeah, sorry I was still a bit carried away by the game lol. I meant that Robinson fouled Jaylen and it was very clear. Robinson hits him with his arm to get to that position and also hits him in the leg. Then Jaylen moves his elbow, but by then he was already fouled. Edit: to expand on that, if that play is legal then guys should be doing that all game long. Any time a dude has the ball with his back to the line, just tug his jersey to get inside and wait for his arms to move on you. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 19, 2020 23:00:27 GMT -5
Oh, and old friend Jae with the worst flop I ever saw in my life in that Tatum fastbreak in the second quarter. I still love Jae, but there's such a thing as trying too hard.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 20, 2020 0:33:56 GMT -5
If you removed a couple of crap minutes in game 2 this series could easily be 3-0 Boston. I want to see what these guys are made of. They’re gonna need it considering LeBron is gonna have those LA boys playing hard and he is as well rested as he has been in a long time.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 20, 2020 5:38:19 GMT -5
I need someone to explain to me how that was a flagrant foul by Brown. How was it unnecessary contact when Robinson literally got close when he was moving his arms? Yeah if he was there to begin with sure, but he created the contact so how can it be unnecessary? I didn’t think the defender could get up in the offensive players space like that. In other words the offensive player has a right to move to a degree. He had his foot between his legs. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 20, 2020 5:43:48 GMT -5
Loved how they were able to play 5 “small”, with the best 5 players on the court. It’s a great lineup for this matchup. Hayward’s stat line wasn’t overly impressive and he was only a plus 1, but he made a pretty big difference in how this team could play and he didn’t take any minutes from Tatum, Brown, Smart and Walker. Speaking of, thanks for showing up Kemba. Few big time shots that stopped the Heat from coming back. That’s what we need.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 20, 2020 5:52:21 GMT -5
Also, Hayward won’t be leaving the bubble for the birth of his son so that’s welcome news as a fan.
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Post by blucore on Sept 20, 2020 7:59:22 GMT -5
On the flagrant calls, I really think that players are going to start sticking their chins out to get hit. It's going to be the new pull up jumper when a guy is trailing to get a foul. There's just too much to gain from getting that call.
Is it just me or the standard isn't consistent based on which body part the player gets hit with. Like Hayward had a drive where he got an offensive foul and hit Dragic in the chin, but it wasn't an elbow so it's not a flagrant. How do you legislate that? The reason the ref gave last night on the Brown flagrant ended with "and there was a significant impact." But Hayward's impact was significant, so why is one more unnecessary and excessive than the other?
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Post by blucore on Sept 20, 2020 8:09:19 GMT -5
I think Hayward was huge last night. He's a much better all around player than Semi, Wannamaker, or the Williamses that he's absorbing minutes from. He's doesn't panic when he gives up the dribble and needs to make space to pass out or he gets beat on defense and has to recover without fouling. He's a big time zone buster since he can hit from the elbow and he has the drive and kick game. Hayward at 30 minutes a night is massive for the team.
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Post by blucore on Sept 20, 2020 8:14:21 GMT -5
Loved how they were able to play 5 “small”, with the best 5 players on the court. It’s a great lineup for this matchup. Hayward’s stat line wasn’t overly impressive and he was only a plus 1, but he made a pretty big difference in how this team could play and he didn’t take any minutes from Tatum, Brown, Smart and Walker. Speaking of, thanks for showing up Kemba. Few big time shots that stopped the Heat from coming back. That’s what we need. It was really impressive that Theis only got 24 minutes and they really didn't miss him. I like the Brown on Adebayo matchup. That sequence where Brown and Tatum got 3 dunks in a row was all from Miami trying to force the ball to Adebayo when Brown was on him. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 20, 2020 8:55:24 GMT -5
On the flagrant calls, I really think that players are going to start sticking their chins out to get hit. It's going to be the new pull up jumper when a guy is trailing to get a foul. There's just too much to gain from getting that call. Is it just me or the standard isn't consistent based on which body part the player gets hit with. Like Hayward had a drive where he got an offensive foul and hit Dragic in the chin, but it wasn't an elbow so it's not a flagrant. How do you legislate that? The reason the ref gave last night on the Brown flagrant ended with "and there was a significant impact." But Hayward's impact was significant, so why is one more unnecessary and excessive than the other? It’s about the arm movement - brown was swinging his arms to create space and get the defender off of him... Hayward was a regular basketball play, Dragic just had position so it was a charge only. |
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Post by ianrs on Sept 20, 2020 13:03:11 GMT -5
Amazing game by Brown, my man was on a mission.
Tatum with the quietest amazing game ever. That man is a superstar.
I really think we can take this in 6 or 7 now that we have Hayward for the rest of the series, though it won't be easy.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 21, 2020 23:28:11 GMT -5
Hayward’s stat line wasn’t overly impressive and he was only a plus 1, but he made a pretty big difference in how this team could play and he didn’t take any minutes from Tatum, Brown, Smart and Walker. I think there's an example to illustrate. 4th quarter, I think it's Herro driving to the hoop and he tries to pass it to the corner and it's intercepted by Hayward who immediately throws a beautiful pass for Tatum I believe for the fastbreak dunk. It was a full court bomb, pitch perfect. If we don't have Hayward, it's probably Semi there and YOU KNOW Semi would have turned the ball over back to Miami. That was a big bucket too. Hayward's all around game is so key. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 22, 2020 6:15:54 GMT -5
Hayward’s stat line wasn’t overly impressive and he was only a plus 1, but he made a pretty big difference in how this team could play and he didn’t take any minutes from Tatum, Brown, Smart and Walker. I think there's an example to illustrate. 4th quarter, I think it's Herro driving to the hoop and he tries to pass it to the corner and it's intercepted by Hayward who immediately throws a beautiful pass for Tatum I believe for the fastbreak dunk. It was a full court bomb, pitch perfect. If we don't have Hayward, it's probably Semi there and YOU KNOW Semi would have turned the ball over back to Miami. That was a big bucket too. Hayward's all around game is so key. Semi would have given up the passing lane and a three pointer for Miami. There’s a good video of that play that shows Hayward’s eyes spotting the shooter before the drive as well as the back screener. He is able to collapse down, avoid the back screen and close the passing lane simultaneously. It’s the type of thing people don’t typically notice that elevate him to a very good defender. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 22, 2020 14:20:52 GMT -5
How do you rate D? Is it 50% how you defend players vs 50 team? Is it 75% vs 25%? For me it has to be at minimum 51% vs 49% because being able to take away players with man on man D makes a bigger impact. Jaylen Brown taking away Siakam makes a bigger impact than a heady smart player team D player.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 22, 2020 14:48:58 GMT -5
How do you rate D? Is it 50% how you defend players vs 50 team? Is it 75% vs 25%? For me it has to be at minimum 51% vs 49% because being able to take away players with man on man D makes a bigger impact. Jaylen Brown taking away Siakam makes a bigger impact than a heady smart player team D player. Why do you act like Hayward can’t guard guys one on one? That’s just not accurate. We were getting crushed in game 2 because players weren’t rotating correctly on the screen and roles. Hayward’s ability to do that is big. So i can’t give you a percentage - but Hayward fits really well defensively with this team. He’s switchable because he can guard multiple spots as well. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 23, 2020 20:22:01 GMT -5
Dafaq happened to Tatum?
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 23, 2020 21:06:04 GMT -5
I’m so sick of watching Marcus take awful shots.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 23, 2020 21:08:27 GMT -5
Stevens must be the worst in-game coach in the playoffs. They’re so flat every third quarter - after awhile, it stops being a coincidence.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 23, 2020 21:47:58 GMT -5
Smart has been the worst player on the court tonight.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 23, 2020 22:26:51 GMT -5
Welp, you continue to kill your self on turnovers. That’s the story of the game and the story of the series.
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