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Post by heathcliffslocum on Feb 21, 2020 0:31:56 GMT -5
Fiers absolutely stands for fair play and integrity in the game of baseball. Fraud.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 21, 2020 1:21:54 GMT -5
Fiers absolutely stands for fair play and integrity in the game of baseball. Fraud. Seriously, what is your issue? All this venom toward Fiers, but absolutely none toward his former teammates. And I mean none. Every damn post of yours is ticked off at Fiers but with nothing negative toward the Astros hitters who took full advantage of cheating. All I can conclude is that you condone the Astros cheating and that Fiers being a whistleblower pisses you off more than the Astros players cheating the game and pissing off the rest of the sport.
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Post by heathcliffslocum on Feb 21, 2020 1:33:53 GMT -5
The Astros are proven frauds too. The players are gutless for getting three managers and a GM fired, but took no time to feel sorry about it. They never brought it up once.
I just don't like giving Fiers the pass everyone else here is doing. Can't stand for the opportunistic hypocrite to sell out players he played with for his new team's personal gain.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 21, 2020 1:41:35 GMT -5
The Astros are proven frauds too. The players are gutless for getting three managers and a GM fired, but took no time to feel sorry about it. They never brought it up once. I just don't like giving Fiers the pass everyone else here is doing. He gets more of a pass because 1) he's a pitcher - he wasn't cheating. It's not like it knocked a run off of his ERA. 2) he spoke up about it - maybe not when you expected him to, but if you have really read what I have posted, I don't think it's hard to understand the dynamics of why. Yes, it would have been "braver" for him to do it when he was with the Astros, but my God, can you imagine all of the crap that would have hit during the playing season and the clubhouse wars, media circus, and distractions there would have been, etc? What you're complaining about isn't even realistic. The other reason for the pass is because he is the one guy who actually stood up and said something that was being done wrong, which is more than can be said for his ex-teammates.
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Post by heathcliffslocum on Feb 21, 2020 1:54:20 GMT -5
The Astros are proven frauds too. The players are gutless for getting three managers and a GM fired, but took no time to feel sorry about it. They never brought it up once. I just don't like giving Fiers the pass everyone else here is doing. He gets more of a pass because 1) he's a pitcher - he wasn't cheating. It's not like it knocked a run off of his ERA. 2) he spoke up about it - maybe not when you expected him to, but if you have really read what I have posted, I don't think it's hard to understand the dynamics of why. Yes, it would have been "braver" for him to do it when he was with the Astros, but my God, can you imagine all of the crap that would have hit during the playing season and the clubhouse wars, media circus, and distractions there would have been, etc? What you're complaining about isn't even realistic. The other reason for the pass is because he is the one guy who actually stood up and said something that was being done wrong, which is more than can be said for his ex-teammates. I just think me and you have different opinions on Fiers. He only did it for his new team and his gain. Every ex-Astros player has come out and apologized, who went on to be with other teams. I think there's legal issues to why current Astros players can't admit to the cheating. Jim Crane, the owner, is currently dealing with lawsuits from at least 2 or 3 ex MLB players who said that the Astros cheating ruined their careers. I think that might be the reasons why they haven't owned up to it. There could be even more lawsuits if they come out openly admitting to it. I'm more upset about people losing jobs because of the player's cheating and the Astros player's saying nothing about it.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 21, 2020 5:36:07 GMT -5
Fiers absolutely stands for fair play and integrity in the game of baseball. Fraud. Yeah, because I've never seen an MLB pitcher use sunscreen in a dome before. Get real, man.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 21, 2020 5:40:49 GMT -5
I just think me and you have different opinions on Fiers. He only did it for his new team and his gain. What a person does is far more important than why they do it. If I pull you out of a burning building, but I only do it because I think there's a reward in it for me... I mean, you want me to put you back in there because my heart wasn't pure enough?
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Post by heathcliffslocum on Feb 21, 2020 5:51:13 GMT -5
Fiers absolutely stands for fair play and integrity in the game of baseball. Fraud. Yeah, because I've never seen an MLB pitcher use sunscreen in a dome before. Get real, man. Pineda got tossed for blatantly leaving too much pine tar on his neck. So blatant excessive use of the broken rule during a no hitter should tell you the credibility of a guy that "did what's right for the game." This is the guy you're all defending. I can see people posting and coming after me and saying "are you really comparing the two cheating situations?" No I'm not. I'm clearly just going after Fiers fairly. I would never would want him on my side. Pedro and Ortiz can team with me any day.
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Post by 07redsox on Feb 21, 2020 7:12:39 GMT -5
He gets more of a pass because 1) he's a pitcher - he wasn't cheating. It's not like it knocked a run off of his ERA. 2) he spoke up about it - maybe not when you expected him to, but if you have really read what I have posted, I don't think it's hard to understand the dynamics of why. Yes, it would have been "braver" for him to do it when he was with the Astros, but my God, can you imagine all of the crap that would have hit during the playing season and the clubhouse wars, media circus, and distractions there would have been, etc? What you're complaining about isn't even realistic. The other reason for the pass is because he is the one guy who actually stood up and said something that was being done wrong, which is more than can be said for his ex-teammates. I just think me and you have different opinions on Fiers. He only did it for his new team and his gain. Every ex-Astros player has come out and apologized, who went on to be with other teams. I think there's legal issues to why current Astros players can't admit to the cheating. Jim Crane, the owner, is currently dealing with lawsuits from at least 2 or 3 ex MLB players who said that the Astros cheating ruined their careers. I think that might be the reasons why they haven't owned up to it. There could be even more lawsuits if they come out openly admitting to it. I'm more upset about people losing jobs because of the player's cheating and the Astros player's saying nothing about it. I really do not understand being mostly upset about the fact that people lost their jobs. Do you seriously believe that those who were fired had absolutely no idea that this was taking place? That is beyond a stretch. The players aren’t the bosses of the team. Even if they didn’t know what was happening (again, pretty much impossible) it is there responsibility to recognize when things like this are taking place. On the other hand if they were aware at all, they are just as bad for not stopping it in the first place and absolutely deserve to be fired. That is what happens when you are in a manager/supervisor/position that oversees others employees. Managing those you oversee is an incredibly important part of the job and they failed to do that.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 21, 2020 7:27:05 GMT -5
I can see people posting and coming after me and saying "are you really comparing the two cheating situations?" No I'm not. I'm clearly just going after Fiers fairly. I would never would want him on my side. Pedro and Ortiz can team with me any day.Again... this kind of thing is not really building the credibility of your case the way you think it is. It just makes you look more tribal and reactionary. Again, you
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 21, 2020 7:43:16 GMT -5
And I get that, but 2 pointer m questions still remain, why the 2019 off-season and not 2018? How does he feel about his ring? Well the reports are that this was reported to the league and they sat on it so he decided he needed to go to the press to get action moving. I wanted to go back to this, when dud he supposedly report this to the league?
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Post by awall on Feb 21, 2020 7:49:51 GMT -5
Or just stating that Ortiz's opinion about baseball is actually good, despite the random poster on the internet telling me different. Has the game of baseball had an ambassador since Ortiz left? I don't think so. Outside of Pedro, I can't find any other player current or former who agrees with his point of view. He's arguing against the current biggest stars in the game. He also has tested positive for steroids and played alongside Manny Ramirez and the Red Sox are CURRENTLY being investigated for cheating. He's not just saying what Altuve did was ok, he's flat out denying he cheated. Emphasis added to point out that they are being investigated for cheating in a season right after they got busted for cheating (Applewatch-gate).
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 21, 2020 7:52:21 GMT -5
Who gives a s**t about Fiers and his motivations? I'm just glad the league is being forced to stop the extensive cheating because it's ridiculously unfair.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 21, 2020 7:54:34 GMT -5
The Mitchell report was never intended to be released. It was a sample survey that was suppose to remain anonymous to see how many players were taking roids. It got leaked. No one was going to get in trouble for it because that wasn't the scope of what they were looking for. Ortiz vowed to explain his positive result. It was a PED test that never even showed what he even tested positive for. He could have taken something in the Dominican over the counter and it could have popped in that test. It was a garbarge survey that did nothing. Ortiz was clean from 2005 until he retired with actual steriod tests, proving he played the game clean. Yeah I throw the whole credibility of the Mitchell Report completely away. If memory serves me correctly, about 4 players had false positives, but we've never heard who they were. It's entirely possible one was Ortiz, but considering how adamant he was to figuring this out, we never heard a word since. Even assuming it was a false positive, he himself was still accused of cheating. He is friends and was teammates with known cheaters. His organization is under investigation for cheating for the 2nd time since 2017 (Apple watches). He's friends with Altuve. He's not just saying Fiers is wrong for what he did, he's saying Altuve didn't even cheat. He's also praising Manfred. It's a cluster of bad takes. Stanton Tanaka Justin Turner Bellinger Jansen Syndergaard (and the Mets staff) Trout Bryant Heck, even LeBron James Are all players I can think of off the top of my head who has shown animosity over this. I'm sure there are more. I could be wrong, but I think even Lester said something As far as Conseco, that's fair. It doesn't change the fact baseball only acted after the fact after knowing about it for years.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 21, 2020 7:56:02 GMT -5
Yeah, because I've never seen an MLB pitcher use sunscreen in a dome before. Get real, man. Pineda got tossed for blatantly leaving too much pine tar on his neck. So blatant excessive use of the broken rule during a no hitter should tell you the credibility of a guy that "did what's right for the game." This is the guy you're all defending. I can see people posting and coming after me and saying "are you really comparing the two cheating situations?" No I'm not. I'm clearly just going after Fiers fairly. I would never would want him on my side. Pedro and Ortiz can team with me any day. Do you want blatant cheating or not? I'll assume not. And if you don't want cheating in baseball, you might now get closer to that because of what Fiers said regardless of why and when he said it and what his intentions and motivations were. Any more argument from you says to me that you want cheating in baseball.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 21, 2020 7:59:02 GMT -5
As far as Conseco, that's fair. It doesn't change the fact baseball only acted after the fact after knowing about it for years. Canseco is also not The Guy who blew the lid off PEDs in baseball. He's a guy who pushed a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors to sell his book and gain attention after everything started popping off.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 21, 2020 7:59:40 GMT -5
I also want to point out Fiers put his name on it. He could have spoken "anonymously".
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 21, 2020 8:02:39 GMT -5
As far as Conseco, that's fair. It doesn't change the fact baseball only acted after the fact after knowing about it for years. Canseco is also not The Guy who blew the lid off PEDs in baseball. He's a guy who pushed a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors to sell his book and gain attention after everything started popping off. I thought "Juiced" kicked off the whole thing? I'm having a hard time Googling what made this story explode.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 21, 2020 8:08:03 GMT -5
Canseco is also not The Guy who blew the lid off PEDs in baseball. He's a guy who pushed a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors to sell his book and gain attention after everything started popping off. I thought "Juiced" kicked off the whole thing? I'm having a hard time Googling what made this story explode. July 15, 1995 — In an article by Los Angeles Times sports writer Bob Nightengale, Padres general manager Randy Smith is quoted as saying “we all know there’s steroid use, and it is definitely becoming more prevalent.” Also in the article, Tony Gwynn states: “It’s like the big secret we’re not supposed to talk about.” 1996 — Three teams — Baltimore, Seattle and Oakland — break the single-season home run record. Seventeen players hit at least 40 home runs. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the previous high for a season was eight, back in 1961. Aug. 22, 1998 — A jar of androstenedione is discovered in the locker of Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire, who, along with Sammy Sosa, is chasing Roger Maris’ single-season home run mark of 61. McGwire admits using the drug and goes on to hit a record 70 home runs. The precursor to steroids is not yet illegal in Major League Baseball. www.denverpost.com/2007/12/13/a-timeline-of-steroids-in-baseball/Juiced came out after testing had already started. Everyone knew that many were on steroids for about a decade prior to that. Barry Bonds hit 73 home runs as a 37 year old in 2001.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 21, 2020 8:26:44 GMT -5
I also want to point out Fiers put his name on it. He could have spoken "anonymously". From the original Athletic Article: Fiers was a SOURCE not a whistleblower, and he was the only source willing to put his name on it.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 21, 2020 8:26:53 GMT -5
Canseco is also not The Guy who blew the lid off PEDs in baseball. He's a guy who pushed a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors to sell his book and gain attention after everything started popping off. I thought "Juiced" kicked off the whole thing? I'm having a hard time Googling what made this story explode. Juiced was '05. It was a cash-in, not a kick-off.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 21, 2020 8:33:56 GMT -5
He is friends and was teammates with known cheaters. His organization is under investigation for cheating for the 2nd time since 2017 (Apple watches). He's friends with Altuve. He's not just saying Fiers is wrong for what he did, he's saying Altuve didn't even cheat. He's also praising Manfred. It's a cluster of bad takes. What's crazy is that he's criticizing Fiers for speaking up after the fact, but defending Altuve for speaking up not at all. Maintaining the silence is seen as preferable to speaking up the wrong way. If you want to be disappointed in someone where, be disappointed in guys like Altuve and Verlander who A) would certainly seem to know better and B) actually have the standing to speak up in that clubhouse.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 21, 2020 8:56:32 GMT -5
He is friends and was teammates with known cheaters. His organization is under investigation for cheating for the 2nd time since 2017 (Apple watches). He's friends with Altuve. He's not just saying Fiers is wrong for what he did, he's saying Altuve didn't even cheat. He's also praising Manfred. It's a cluster of bad takes. What's crazy is that he's criticizing Fiers for speaking up after the fact, but defending Altuve for speaking up not at all. Maintaining the silence is seen as preferable to speaking up the wrong way. If you want to be disappointed in someone where, be disappointed in guys like Altuve and Verlander who A) would certainly seem to know better and B) actually have the standing to speak up in that clubhouse. Not to mention he actually was cheating.
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Post by Canseco on Feb 21, 2020 9:03:03 GMT -5
As far as Conseco, that's fair. It doesn't change the fact baseball only acted after the fact after knowing about it for years. Canseco is also not The Guy who blew the lid off PEDs in baseball. He's a guy who pushed a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors to sell his book and gain attention after everything started popping off. Whoa, whoa, whoa!
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Post by nomar on Feb 21, 2020 9:12:29 GMT -5
what the Astros did was unfair, immoral, etc but man I’m so done with hearing about it all of the time. I just want the season to start so we can start watching the farm grow and people can be distracted by actual baseball.
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