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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 21, 2020 10:29:53 GMT -5
Yeah let’s get back to worrying about losing draft picks.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 21, 2020 10:34:54 GMT -5
Yeah let’s get back to worrying about losing draft picks. Slightly on-topic, but heard on the radio this morning and they made an interesting point. If Ortiz is a spokesperson for the Red Sox and he's defending Manfred, that doesn't sound like good news for the Red Sox. That, perhaps they have something and are trying to pump his tires a bit so Manfred's a bit more lenient.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 21, 2020 10:38:29 GMT -5
Yeah let’s get back to worrying about losing draft picks. Slightly on-topic, but heard on the radio this morning and they made an interesting point. If Ortiz is a spokesperson for the Red Sox and he's defending Manfred, that doesn't sound like good news for the Red Sox. That, perhaps they have something and are trying to pump his tires a bit so Manfred's a bit more lenient. Yeah I'm out on that theory.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 21, 2020 10:50:15 GMT -5
Slightly on-topic, but heard on the radio this morning and they made an interesting point. If Ortiz is a spokesperson for the Red Sox and he's defending Manfred, that doesn't sound like good news for the Red Sox. That, perhaps they have something and are trying to pump his tires a bit so Manfred's a bit more lenient. Yeah I'm out on that theory. I mean, the only 2 icons that are going against the grain are Red Sox who are in an active role with the team in some capacity. It's interesting at least.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 21, 2020 12:13:41 GMT -5
The Astros are proven frauds too. The players are gutless for getting three managers and a GM fired, but took no time to feel sorry about it. They never brought it up once. I just don't like giving Fiers the pass everyone else here is doing. Can't stand for the opportunistic hypocrite to sell out players he played with for his new team's personal gain. What are the A's gaining for it? All of the players are still there. Nothing has changed unless of course you're talking about the A's gaining from the fact that the Astros can't cheat anymore, in which case you're encouraging cheating... so not a great look for you, either way. add: he also isn't personally gaining at all. No one is going to throw a parade for this guy for doing the right thing but he's getting death threats from the brainless Astros fans that can't handle the truth of what's going on right now.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 21, 2020 13:05:09 GMT -5
The Astros are proven frauds too. The players are gutless for getting three managers and a GM fired, but took no time to feel sorry about it. They never brought it up once. I just don't like giving Fiers the pass everyone else here is doing. Can't stand for the opportunistic hypocrite to sell out players he played with for his new team's personal gain. What are the A's gaining for it? All of the players are still there. Nothing has changed unless of course you're talking about the A's gaining from the fact that the Astros can't cheat anymore, in which case you're encouraging cheating... so not a great look for you, either way. add: he also isn't personally gaining at all. No one is going to throw a parade for this guy for doing the right thing but he's getting death threats from the brainless Astros fans that can't handle the truth of what's going on right now. The A's are a division rival and the Astros fired their GM and manager and lost some draft picks. Still, losing the manager is negligible and the picks won't matter unless he plans on being an Athletic for the next 10 years.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 21, 2020 15:12:36 GMT -5
add: he also isn't personally gaining at all. No one is going to throw a parade for this guy for doing the right thing but he's getting death threats from the brainless Astros fans that can't handle the truth of what's going on right now. Yeah let's just be clear here, no one is trying to say Mike Fiers's face should be on the twenty dollar bill or something. I can't speak for everyone but I'm pretty sure we all just think it's insane to like double-punish him for being the guy who actually spoke up.
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Post by redsox09 on Feb 21, 2020 19:27:48 GMT -5
Anybody with a subscription want to summarize?
The title reads that the 2018 Sox definitely cheated with men on base.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 21, 2020 20:13:46 GMT -5
Anybody with a subscription want to summarize? The title reads that the 2018 Sox definitely cheated with men on base. Lol wut.
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Post by redsox09 on Feb 21, 2020 21:28:41 GMT -5
A lot of respected legends in the game have the same opinion I do. Some don't. That much I can live with. I do feel good that my 2 sports bet is are on my side with this subject. Two guys that are retired say one thing and pretty much every single player in the game right now are saying the opposite. Not defending the poster, but people around the game today have asked the same question- "Why didn't Mike Fiers come out sooner?"
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 21, 2020 21:43:19 GMT -5
I thought we were supposed to hear by the end of the Week?
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Post by station13 on Feb 22, 2020 9:18:32 GMT -5
I thought we were supposed to hear by the end of the Week? Maybe there's nothing to be heard from!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 22, 2020 9:34:36 GMT -5
It was end of next week, not this week.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 24, 2020 10:12:42 GMT -5
Conjecture, but still.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 24, 2020 10:17:44 GMT -5
So what does that mean? That he can't find any conclusive proof of any wrong doing whatsoever and will let the Sox off with little or no punishment? Or that he'll throw the book at the Red Sox like Goodell did with Deflategate and the Patriots on flimsy evidence just to show everybody that he's a tough guy?
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Post by RedSoxStats on Feb 24, 2020 10:52:33 GMT -5
Need to consider your sources with that dude. That wasn't even the exact quote, and it was about giving immunity for transparency, not for an expected light punishment.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 24, 2020 11:43:11 GMT -5
Is there literally anything he could do at this point that wouldn't get heavy criticism? I feel like an underrated aspect of this saga is how completely Manfred undermined his own credibility by playing dumb every time anyone has asked him about the juiced ball for the past four years or so. Believe what you want in regards to MLB changing the ball intentionally or not, it has been proven many times that something is going on with the baseball, and he's denied even that basic reality. You can't just spend years saying something isn't happening when it clearly is happening, and then expect anyone to take your investigation into some other issue seriously.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Feb 24, 2020 12:23:06 GMT -5
In the best interests of baseball, Manfred should resign effective immediately. He has botched this sign stealing stuff from the jump. There are reports that the A's notified MLB about it in 2017 and it doesn't appear that MLB did anything about it. We wouldn't even be talking about this today unless The Athletic had a bunch of confidential sources talk to them and then publish a number of critical articles. Anyone thinking that only the Astros and the Red Sox stole signs is naive. It would have been much better if Manfred pulled the bandaid off in 2017 and told all 30 MLB teams to cut the sh%t or else owners, executives, coaches and players will be subject to significant penalties, including suspensions and fines.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 24, 2020 18:44:37 GMT -5
In the best interests of baseball, Manfred should resign effective immediately. He has botched this sign stealing stuff from the jump. There are reports that the A's notified MLB about it in 2017 and it doesn't appear that MLB did anything about it. We wouldn't even be talking about this today unless The Athletic had a bunch of confidential sources talk to them and then publish a number of critical articles. Anyone thinking that only the Astros and the Red Sox stole signs is naive. It would have been much better if Manfred pulled the bandaid off in 2017 and told all 30 MLB teams to cut the sh%t or else owner that is basically what he did www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/boston-red-sox-will-be-fined-over-apple-watch-sign-n801866s, executives, coaches and players will be subject to significant penalties, including suspensions and fines. The Manfred bashing on this is a bit over the top. He deserves some criticism, but he couldn't have foreseen some players throw their fellow union members under the bus as they have. This was a no win situation for him, he was never going to please everyone. I have gone back back and forth and I basically give him a C on this detail.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 25, 2020 18:31:35 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 25, 2020 18:40:40 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Feb 25, 2020 18:53:05 GMT -5
Well I mean first you gotta pick up the phone... then you gotta dial the number... you can see how it would be like a week to ten-day process.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 25, 2020 19:23:35 GMT -5
Well I mean first you gotta pick up the phone... then you gotta dial the number... you can see how it would be like a week to ten-day process. Pony express.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Feb 25, 2020 22:07:55 GMT -5
Rob Manfred.."The investigation into the Red Sox should be wrapped up this week"...That was 3 weeks ago. "The investigation should be done by the end of the month..Last week. "The investigation is expected to be done early next month". Expect it to be wrapped up in July.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 26, 2020 1:31:41 GMT -5
Either they keep getting leads, or they're playing for time to let the stink dissipate. In either case I don't see how the delay does much for his public image.
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