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mobaz
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Post by mobaz on Oct 27, 2020 9:00:06 GMT -5
Kevin O'Connor Mock Draft update nbadraft.theringer.com/#mockWiseman to Charlotte at #1 after a trade. Celtics take RJ Hampton at 14 Package other 1st rounders to get Precious Achiuwa at 17. "The Celtics have lost out on several draft targets in recent years due to not finding the right trade partner: They wanted Tyler Herro in 2019 and Larry Nance Jr. in 2015, but didn’t end up with either. With two extra first-round picks this year, perhaps they’ll look to trade up for their man. I don’t know whether that’s Achiuwa, but he makes sense as an athletic big who could help them in future battles against Miami or Milwaukee." LEANDRO BOLMARO and ROBERT WOODARD II were the picks at 26 and 30 by the T-Wolves in this scenario.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 27, 2020 9:14:10 GMT -5
BRobb, had a great breakdown, last week, of why Turner is a bad fit for the Celtics to target. This week he had a few Hayward trade ideas. What the exercise continued to show is that there’s not much out there without getting into more complicated sign and trades. This one was interesting to me: Dallas Mavericks: Hayward for Tim Hardaway Jr. and Seth Curry Overview: This is probably my favorite trade destination for Hayward if he simply opts in. With Luka Doncic moving into MVP candidate territory, they are firmly in win now mode and a versatile wing is high on their list of needs. Acquiring Hayward also wouldn’t impact their ability to sign a star long-term to pair with Doncic. Hardaway Jr. is a solid (albeit inferior) player compared to Hayward on both ends of the court but the C’s could nab a valuable bench shooter in Seth Curry for their trouble or another solid bench player or two (Dorian Finney-Smith, Maxi Kleber, Jalen Brunson) under team control for the next 2-3 seasons to bolster the bench. www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2020/10/27/examining-five-realistic-gordon-hayward-trade-scenarios/Does he? He breakdown is basically two plays over four games. Bam versus Celtics 21.8 points 60.8% shooting, Bam versus Turner 15 points 47.9% shooting. I think those stats tell a much different story than BRobb is telling. Holding a guy like Bam to under 50% shooting is darn good, clearly the two plays he showed didn't happen all series long. Nevermind the fact Turner shot 42.9% from deep in that series, something every team will respect. It comes off as a lazy piece frankly. He's greatly undervaluing Turner's D and 3 point shooting.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 27, 2020 14:08:33 GMT -5
Kevin O'Connor Mock Draft update nbadraft.theringer.com/#mockWiseman to Charlotte at #1 after a trade. Celtics take RJ Hampton at 14 Package other 1st rounders to get Precious Achiuwa at 17. "The Celtics have lost out on several draft targets in recent years due to not finding the right trade partner: They wanted Tyler Herro in 2019 and Larry Nance Jr. in 2015, but didn’t end up with either. With two extra first-round picks this year, perhaps they’ll look to trade up for their man. I don’t know whether that’s Achiuwa, but he makes sense as an athletic big who could help them in future battles against Miami or Milwaukee." LEANDRO BOLMARO and ROBERT WOODARD II were the picks at 26 and 30 by the T-Wolves in this scenario. In so many ways that makes sense, those are certainly players that fit Danny's type he likes. Yet if you add in Robert Williams and Langford, that's adding four athletes that all have issues with shooting. That isn't ideal that's for sure.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 28, 2020 8:06:37 GMT -5
Everyone is overlooking the opportunity to get an actual Scrubb in the second round
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Post by philarhody on Oct 28, 2020 9:03:00 GMT -5
Myles Turner moves like he’s 40. He rebounds like he’s Kemba Walker. And he’s paid like he’s a star center. No thanks.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 28, 2020 12:34:56 GMT -5
Player A 7.8 points, 8 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 0 steals, .8 blocks 115 defensive rating. Zero made threes
Player B 15.8 points, 10.8 rebounds, .8 assists, .5 steals, 4 blocks 110 defensive rating. Shot 43.8% from deep, 56.8% overall
Those are Theis stats versus Turner's stats against Bam and the Heat in the playoffs. The Celtics best defender in that series was Tatum with a defensive rating of 111. The Celtics have better defenders than the Pacers, so Turner would be even better.
Bam's FG% by round Pacers 47.9%, Bucks 60.0%, Celtics 60.8%, Lakers 53.5% even while injured and not 100%.
Turner just completed his age 23 season, same as Brown. He's young and has a lot of upside left. He had a 37.5" vertical, while not crazy that's very good for a seven foot center. Bam was 38.5" and Robert Williams has a 40" vertical for comparison.
Turner is set to make 18 million over the next three years, Smart is making 13.4 and 14.4 million over the next two. So he's much closer in salary to a guy who spent a lot of time not starting than a star. He's being paid about half of what Hayward is.
Go watch some YouTube videos that breakdown Turner's D. You'll see why he has great defensive numbers. He's an awkward athlete, not a bad one. He can contest and block shots without fouling, unlike Theis. I've seen him get low like KG against Giannis, stop his drive and force a hard long jumper.
If you are trading Hayward I don't see a better fit and it's not even close. He matches age wise, he's a 3 and D center, an elite shot blocker and his best Basketball is still to come. One of the best parts is he adds offense without needing the ball. Allows you to play your five best players at the same time. If the deal included Lamb it would also give you pieces to trade, along with Theis or keep them to have more depth. Turner is also the perfect guy to help unlock Robert Williams potential and what a combo that would be.
Guess what his goal is? Winning defensive player of the year. That's his mindset which is the type of players I want on the Celtics. Guys that pride themselves on there D like Smart. The great thing is he could actually do that in our system with our players.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 28, 2020 12:38:13 GMT -5
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Post by philarhody on Oct 28, 2020 19:41:12 GMT -5
I don’t love that Daryl got the Sixers gig..
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 29, 2020 6:16:05 GMT -5
One guy we never talk about who’s all over the board is Aaron Nesmith... are people down on him because of his limited upside? He has good height and might be the best pure shooter in the draft. We talked about trading for Heild... might be able to just draft him. Guy can flat out shoot and with his length should be a serviceable defender especially within a team concept. If you can add a lights out shooter, with size, to the second unit that could be huge for the team. Thoughts?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 29, 2020 15:59:12 GMT -5
One of the harder guys to scout. Not that good first year, then in 14 games against a lot of bad teams he was great. Yet lots of easy shots, more than any other shooter I've watched tape on. He's limited in a lot of areas and he's not close to being Hield right now. You see some NBA types moves on the perimeter, yet not many and almost nothing against NBA level players. Either the 14 games inflated his stats or didn't give himself a chance to prove what he can do against good teams. Go look at the teams he played against and you'll see what I mean. Against the one good team he was 3 for 8 on two pointers.
In a nutshell he's a shooter with a nice looking shot, has good size and is an okay athlete. In the NBA it's all about his shooting as he likely can't do more unless he improves in a lot of areas. Can he create his own shot? Can he be a Duncan Robinson shooting a crazy high percentage when taking hard shots?
Bane is a much more complete player. He doesn't have the ways to score like Herro, Cameron Johnson took and made a lot more hard shots. Same with Isaiah Joe, he was creating three point shots, taking crazy hard one, not wide open shots. I'd take another player at 14 because I need a lot more information on Nesmith. Yet if Danny takes him I am 100% fine with that.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 29, 2020 21:03:43 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 30, 2020 4:29:46 GMT -5
If you like Nesmith, what do you think of Elijah Hughes? Basically same size, wingspan, body. Yet instead of having others create and taking easy shots, he was the guy creating and scoring taking hard shots.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 30, 2020 5:18:37 GMT -5
“Next to the stash was a notebook with instructions on how to smoke the drug.” Hahaha what?
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 30, 2020 5:28:30 GMT -5
If you like Nesmith, what do you think of Elijah Hughes? Basically same size, wingspan, body. Yet instead of having others create and taking easy shots, he was the guy creating and scoring taking hard shots. I’d be fine with him at the end of the first round. I like his FT%, he’s older so less upside but probably ready to contribute which is also important. I wasn’t trying to say I like Nesmith as much as asking if we are overlooking him. I agree with the red flags on the competition front, and it matters, but you’re also not going to be asking the guy to be more than a shooting option while on the court with other go to scorers so maybe that’s different than being the main guy... all I know is this team could really benefit from a lights out shooter. Someone that’s not 38/39% but a guy who’s 41%+.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 30, 2020 13:57:46 GMT -5
If you like Nesmith, what do you think of Elijah Hughes? Basically same size, wingspan, body. Yet instead of having others create and taking easy shots, he was the guy creating and scoring taking hard shots. I’d be fine with him at the end of the first round. I like his FT%, he’s older so less upside but probably ready to contribute which is also important. I wasn’t trying to say I like Nesmith as much as asking if we are overlooking him. I agree with the red flags on the competition front, and it matters, but you’re also not going to be asking the guy to be more than a shooting option while on the court with other go to scorers so maybe that’s different than being the main guy... all I know is this team could really benefit from a lights out shooter. Someone that’s not 38/39% but a guy who’s 41%+. I just can't tell on Nesmith given his poor first year and his limited second year going against crappy teams in the role he had. My point was what do some of these others shooters look like if you put them in a Nesmith role? It takes projection which is always hard. Not all three point percentage are equal. I look at what types of shots they take. Redick and Robinson shot mid 40s while taking a lot of hard three point shots, yet does that make them better than guys like Tatum and Curry who take even harder shots? What about James Harden? Most of these College guys played roles of go to scorer, creating and creating their own shots. Nesmith did the least of that, he was like the #3 creator and had more threes by way of assist than anyone I've watched this year among shooters. He passes the eye tests, he might be a truly elite guy. It's a nice looking shot. Yet I do think he's closer to a bunch of these other guys than the numbers show. Like no way in hell Nesmith shoots close to 52% playing the role Hughes just did as the #1 option who also had to create for others, while creating for himself. Hughes was like Kemba Walker, Nesmith was like Hayward/Brown. Now I do get the point about that likely being his role in the NBA. Yet even in that Role, he's not getting that many open shots. Colleges play Zone, it's man D in the NBA. It's why this year sucks, if I was Danny in a normal year I would have done a big workout with a bunch of these guys. Get them in the gym and get to compare them all together, because I will admit Nesmith might be the best guy. He might have went off on the SEC if given the chance, we just don't know. Still think Bane is the safest shooter in the draft. He might not be the best, yet he has a well rounded game and he screams Celtic type guy.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 31, 2020 5:41:57 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 31, 2020 11:48:15 GMT -5
I love interesting ideas, but I truly question Keith Smith's Basketball IQ with that Magic trade. Now make it Gordon and Bamba that is crazy interesting, no picks or maybe pick 30. I'm not moving Tatum off of PF given what he just did, yet Gordon as a small ball center is crazy interesting. Especially if he gets back to 2019 levels with his 3 point shot. I've always loved Bamba.
I can't stress enough how much I hate the idea of Trading Edwards and #30 to dump VP. Why isn't Edwards and money to cover VPs salary not enough? Maybe a second round pick if you needed more. I can't ever remember a trade like that, usually it's much more in salary if it takes a first round pick. Like 10-15 million.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 1, 2020 19:11:44 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 1, 2020 19:12:26 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 2, 2020 17:36:55 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 2, 2020 18:22:05 GMT -5
Hardwood Houdini is pretty bad... they had one writer at one point who was pretty decent but that was it
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2020 7:17:19 GMT -5
I wonder if Justin Holiday would be a MLE target for the team. It doesn’t seem like a position of need, and it’s somewhat questionable if his 3pt% from last year is a one year blip or real, but he should be cheap and fits the way the team plays. Strong switchable defender who doesn’t need the ball in his hands and can knock down open 3s. You can increase your second unit production just by having good players around whatever star(s) you have on the court with them.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2020 7:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 3, 2020 14:47:42 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2020 14:58:39 GMT -5
All these records with recorded combines...
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