mobaz
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Post by mobaz on Nov 9, 2020 21:35:58 GMT -5
I’m back on the Tyrell Terry bandwagon. On top of his shooting - the guy has worked his ass off which I love. I’d be stoked if they drafted him. At 14? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 9, 2020 21:42:12 GMT -5
I’m back on the Tyrell Terry bandwagon. On top of his shooting - the guy has worked his ass off which I love. I’d be stoked if they drafted him. At 14? Yes |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 10, 2020 8:47:52 GMT -5
Celtics related nuggets from Hollinger's Mock Draft:
- Thinks Washington swapping 9 for 14, 26 and 30 "makes sense" if Okongwu isn't available.
- He wonders if SA is exploring trade-down scenarios with Boston (for 14 and 26) if the guy the Spurs want isn't there at 11. This would put Boston in "Okoro/Vassell territory".
- His favorite trade idea is Nance to Boston for 14
- He has them taking Bey at 14 but also says Pokusevski is another name to watch
- Has Bolmaro at 26 for all the reasons we've discussed. Suspects they would love Bane here and could make a case for Woodard
- Expects that Boston will likely move 30 somehow. Puts Tyler Bey as a placeholder saying he's too athletic not to go in the 1st.
My ultimate take on this is that it seems to be based on more speculation than rumor (despite other picks in the mock being based on things he's heard).
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 10, 2020 9:40:29 GMT -5
A lot of people think this is basically a lost year for draft pick development. Will be interesting if on a team like the Celtics who are competing if that will affect who they take.
Also, not good for Langford.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2020 9:50:59 GMT -5
You would think Washington would be all over that trade if Danny would actually do it. It's like a mini rebuild in one trade.
I don't come close to seeing 14 for Nance. The Cavs traded a late first for Nance and Clarkson years ago. He's not a bad target, I just don't get the cost. You don't trade a lottery pick for an okay player. It should be a late first or at most both late first like the Kennard trade we talked about.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2020 10:44:17 GMT -5
The great thing with this draft is that it has a bunch of more NBA ready type players than some drafts do. Not all rookies are the same, some like Grant Williams can play day one. Some like Langford need time. Call this the take best available upside guy at 14 and then best NBA ready guys at 26 and 30.
14. Anthony or Maxey. That won't change for me unless someone drops or they are gone.
26. Tillie as your shooting big. You are passing on more upside and he has big time injury issues. Can he come close to playing 80 games? Yet he does add shooting, is NBA ready and fills a big need.
30. Take your pick of shooters. I'd go crazy for Bane here. Yet Riller, Hughes, Joe, Quickly, Dotson, Nwora are all more advanced fairly NBA ready types.
Want to save a roster spot? Trade 30 and 47 to Sixers for 34 and 36 to fill your two way contracts. Given this draft 34 and 36 might be crazy value picks
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Post by texs31 on Nov 10, 2020 11:52:50 GMT -5
I'm probably being a bad GM here but I'd go with whomever has the highest upside (even if there is significant "bust" risk) at 14. This is their last shot at adding a star (even if it's a longshot) without taking away from the current core.
There are ways to get the role players that C's need.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 10, 2020 12:19:44 GMT -5
The guy likely available at 14 with the highest upside is aleksej pokuševski. He also has huge bust potential so you do need to weigh the two. I think I know what you’re saying. You’d rather a guy with the upside versus a guy you know will only be a role player. Like Jaylen Smith is probably limited to good starter upside versus a star so maybe he’s off your board.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 10, 2020 12:31:36 GMT -5
The guy likely available at 14 with the highest upside is aleksej pokuševski. He also has huge bust potential so you do need to weigh the two. I think I know what you’re saying. You’d rather a guy with the upside versus a guy you know will only be a role player. Like Jaylen Smith is probably limited to good starter upside versus a star so maybe he’s off your board. Would add Anthony, Hampton and Achiuwa to the list (though I please don't ask me to get involved in the "can Anthony even be a bust discussion"). |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2020 13:15:46 GMT -5
The guy likely available at 14 with the highest upside is aleksej pokuševski. He also has huge bust potential so you do need to weigh the two. I think I know what you’re saying. You’d rather a guy with the upside versus a guy you know will only be a role player. Like Jaylen Smith is probably limited to good starter upside versus a star so maybe he’s off your board. Would add Anthony, Hampton and Achiuwa to the list (though I please don't ask me to get involved in the "can Anthony even be a bust discussion"). That's about how I feel. I'd add Maxey because I think he's a good shooter and that he can become a PG. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 10, 2020 13:55:18 GMT -5
I don’t see Prince having star upside. It’s so hard to find a big who’s truly worth max money that I find it extremely unlikely he has that ceiling.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 10, 2020 14:10:53 GMT -5
Tommy Heinsohn passed away.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2020 14:41:25 GMT -5
Tommy Heinsohn passed away. Damn, a true Celtics Legend! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2020 14:45:15 GMT -5
I don’t see Prince having star upside. It’s so hard to find a big who’s truly worth max money that I find it extremely unlikely he has that ceiling. If I remember right you didn't like Bam coming out either. He has crazy upside, he's just raw. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 10, 2020 17:37:36 GMT -5
I don’t see Prince having star upside. It’s so hard to find a big who’s truly worth max money that I find it extremely unlikely he has that ceiling. If I remember right you didn't like Bam coming out either. He has crazy upside, he's just raw. I struggle with this one on a lot of levels. I hear what you are saying, he could develop a jump shot he shows no signs of or he could develop a high basketball IQ and learn how to be a great passer who can push 4-5 assists per game. I also wonder how long a guy like Bams shelf life is. I could be way off on this but wasn’t Ibaka crazy athletic early in his career? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 10, 2020 18:05:35 GMT -5
Tommy Heinsohn passed away. Damn, a true Celtics Legend! Is there anyone else is basketball history who’s had his impact on the court, on the bench as a coach and as a broadcaster? He’s in the Hall of Fame for the first 2 and probably should be for the 3rd. Besides Red, he’s arguably the most impactful Celtic ever. The Mount Rushmore has to be Red, Bird, Russel and Heinsohn, no? |
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Nov 10, 2020 20:25:45 GMT -5
Damn, a true Celtics Legend! Is there anyone else is basketball history who’s had his impact on the court, on the bench as a coach and as a broadcaster? He’s in the Hall of Fame for the first 2 and probably should be for the 3rd. Besides Red, he’s arguably the most impactful Celtic ever. The Mount Rushmore has to be Red, Bird, Russel and Heinsohn, no? Yeah along with Pierce, those are the five guys. Tommy hung around the Celtics until the day he died. What a loss. RIP. 2020 just gets worse and worse. |
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Post by philarhody on Nov 10, 2020 20:37:00 GMT -5
The great thing with this draft is that it has a bunch of more NBA ready type players than some drafts do. Not all rookies are the same, some like Grant Williams can play day one. Some like Langford need time. Call this the take best available upside guy at 14 and then best NBA ready guys at 26 and 30. 14. Anthony or Maxey. That won't change for me unless someone drops or they are gone. 26. Tillie as your shooting big. You are passing on more upside and he has big time injury issues. Can he come close to playing 80 games? Yet he does add shooting, is NBA ready and fills a big need. 30. Take your pick of shooters. I'd go crazy for Bane here. Yet Riller, Hughes, Joe, Quickly, Dotson, Nwora are all more advanced fairly NBA ready types. Want to save a roster spot? Trade 30 and 47 to Sixers for 34 and 36 to fill your two way contracts. Given this draft 34 and 36 might be crazy value picks Yeah, I’d love this draft too. Although I am shocked you don’t have Anthony at 14! ;-) |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2020 21:04:59 GMT -5
Damn, a true Celtics Legend! Is there anyone else is basketball history who’s had his impact on the court, on the bench as a coach and as a broadcaster? He’s in the Hall of Fame for the first 2 and probably should be for the 3rd. Besides Red, he’s arguably the most impactful Celtic ever. The Mount Rushmore has to be Red, Bird, Russel and Heinsohn, no? No one comes to mind and yeah 100%. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 11, 2020 5:00:05 GMT -5
Is there anyone else is basketball history who’s had his impact on the court, on the bench as a coach and as a broadcaster? He’s in the Hall of Fame for the first 2 and probably should be for the 3rd. Besides Red, he’s arguably the most impactful Celtic ever. The Mount Rushmore has to be Red, Bird, Russel and Heinsohn, no? No one comes to mind and yeah 100%. Havlicek is right up there, all time C's leader in scoring and considered one of the all time greats. 13 all star games compared to Tommys 6. Also 8 time defensive team. Ask any old timer and Hondo is up there with the greatest, |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 11, 2020 5:21:55 GMT -5
14 Jalen Smith
26 Bolmaro
30 Pokusevski
This would be my draft. 2 guys they can stash who have a chance to be stars and the C's can afford the risk. Poku could be a steal a few tears down the road and Bolmaros size as a PG is huge. Smith can play, he might not have a huge ceiling but he has a high floor, contributes on both ends and they say he is cerebral which fits Boston/Brad.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 11, 2020 6:36:07 GMT -5
No one comes to mind and yeah 100%. Havlicek is right up there, all time C's leader in scoring and considered one of the all time greats. 13 all star games compared to Tommys 6. Also 8 time defensive team. Ask any old timer and Hondo is up there with the greatest, I did think about him next but if not for Johnny Most, younger fans probably don’t know who he is. Nothing against Havlicek and if Tommy wasn’t a broadcaster and Mr Celtic then Hondo would be in front of him |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 11, 2020 6:36:59 GMT -5
14 Jalen Smith 26 Bolmaro 30 Pokusevski This would be my draft. 2 guys they can stash who have a chance to be stars and the C's can afford the risk. Poku could be a steal a few tears down the road and Bolmaros size as a PG is huge. Smith can play, he might not have a huge ceiling but he has a high floor, contributes on both ends and they say he is cerebral which fits Boston/Brad. You never know but I don’t think the Greek lasts until 26 let alone 30. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 11, 2020 7:37:56 GMT -5
14 Jalen Smith 26 Bolmaro 30 Pokusevski This would be my draft. 2 guys they can stash who have a chance to be stars and the C's can afford the risk. Poku could be a steal a few tears down the road and Bolmaros size as a PG is huge. Smith can play, he might not have a huge ceiling but he has a high floor, contributes on both ends and they say he is cerebral which fits Boston/Brad. You never know but I don’t think the Greek lasts until 26 let alone 30. I haven't studied it like you guys usually do but I was looking at the mock from draftnet and they had Poku going 32, he could be gone aroung 14 also from what I have read since. Either way the C's have another interesting offseason coming. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 11, 2020 12:52:23 GMT -5
No one comes to mind and yeah 100%. Havlicek is right up there, all time C's leader in scoring and considered one of the all time greats. 13 all star games compared to Tommys 6. Also 8 time defensive team. Ask any old timer and Hondo is up there with the greatest, With Tommy it's not best player, it's the four faces of the Celtics. That's where it's his HOF playing career, HOF coaching career and long time stint as a broadcaster. In that regard he's been the face of that franchise more than anyone. I'm 38 I don't even remember watching Bird live, nevermind the early guys. My first memories are Robert Parish retirement. Dana, Dino, Wilkens taking us to playoffs as an under .500 team, Yet Tommy was there as the voice to the past and he never let you forget it. |
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