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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2020 0:09:19 GMT -5
UMass, you watch film on Tillman? Feel like he could be a perfect pick for them at 30. Ready to play right away. Switchable defender, long arms to make up fir his height. Good passer and pick and roll big. His shooting form is good enough and he shot 70% from the line that you could see him being a respectable shooter down the road maybe Sorry my first response was Tillie, not Tillman. Have to stop glancing over things. Tillman is basically everything you'd want Grant Williams to be. I don't see a great athlete, yet he plays hard and smart. He actually has a big wingspan, so he plays bigger than he is. If he was like Robert Williams athletic wise he would be a monster. Even so I can see him being a good defender in the NBA at center. He passes well, yet the rest of his offensive game is very limited. I can see some upside, yet not a ton. He's not Theis, he's like an older Horford. That's not a bad thing either. So yeah I can see him at 30 and yeah I think that could be a perfect fit if he's there if that's what you want. Not the highest upside guy, but I bet he has a long career. He's got some Smart type stuff, he enjoys D and making plays that way. Those guys will always fit this team. If he develops a 3 point shot he could be a very solid player. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2020 7:23:47 GMT -5
The Celtics also worked out Theo Maledon... he hasn’t been talked about as a stash candidate but I wonder if he is...
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Post by texs31 on Nov 16, 2020 8:34:04 GMT -5
I think it was Chad Ford's board who said teams may want to pick him as draft and stash but he's, so far, resisting that notion.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 16, 2020 8:48:07 GMT -5
For those who like Tiers (and have an Athletic Sub), Sam Vecenie has just posted his draft guide. Breakdown:
- No Tier 1 (Superstar)
- 3 Tier 2 (Realizable All-Stars)
- 8 Tier 3 (High-Leverage Starters)
- 6 Tier 4 (Upside Swing; Potential Starters)
- 32 Tier 5 (Rotational Players)
- 15 Tier 6 (2nd Rd Flyer and Priority 2-Way)
- 30 Tier 7 (Other 2-Way and UDFA)
This breakdown is why I, in theory, would love the idea of using 30 or even 26 to move salary with 2 BIG caveats: They'd get a 2nd rounder (Hollinger's idea, for example, was a trade w/Charlotte that gives Boston a pick in the top of Rd 2) in return AND that they can do a 2-way or stash guy with that pick (I say that bc Vecenie believes many of the potential 2nd rounders in that 5th Tier warrant guaranteed contracts which . . . kinda defeats the purpose).
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2020 8:54:20 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if Hayes falls - reports are his athleticism - which was already in question - had been even worse in team workouts. He might be one of the players who’s in game savvy and change of speed makes it not matter but it causes his stock to drop.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 16, 2020 12:08:11 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if Hayes falls - reports are his athleticism - which was already in question - had been even worse in team workouts. He might be one of the players who’s in game savvy and change of speed makes it not matter but it causes his stock to drop. I'm going to say this again, but if Killian Hayes was called LaMario Ball he'd be the consensus #1 pick. Dude got major game. If he falls, Danny needs to strike with GREAT fury and 0 doubt in his heart. Heck, I'd even trade up for him. |
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Post by philarhody on Nov 16, 2020 12:28:24 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if Hayes falls - reports are his athleticism - which was already in question - had been even worse in team workouts. He might be one of the players who’s in game savvy and change of speed makes it not matter but it causes his stock to drop. I'm going to say this again, but if Killian Hayes was called LaMario Ball he'd be the consensus #1 pick. Dude got major game. If he falls, Danny needs to strike with GREAT fury and 0 doubt in his heart. Heck, I'd even trade up for him. Exactly. However, reading about Isaiah Stewart interviews makes me nervous that Danny is going to make some very poor decisions. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2020 13:12:40 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if Hayes falls - reports are his athleticism - which was already in question - had been even worse in team workouts. He might be one of the players who’s in game savvy and change of speed makes it not matter but it causes his stock to drop. I'm going to say this again, but if Killian Hayes was called LaMario Ball he'd be the consensus #1 pick. Dude got major game. If he falls, Danny needs to strike with GREAT fury and 0 doubt in his heart. Heck, I'd even trade up for him. Why do you keep saying that? You make it sound like Ball is overrated and it's just his name. Ball and Hayes are nothing alike, not even close. Ball has some of the best ball skills and passing you'll ever see, Hayes is much more a score first PG. It's like comparing Jason Kidd to Tony Parker or something like that, they are crazy different. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2020 13:20:39 GMT -5
Going to say Grant Riller is the most underrated player in the draft. SI new mock still has him at 49 even after his big vertical numbers. I wouldn't be shocked if he went mid first round.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 16, 2020 14:16:11 GMT -5
Interesting note coming out of the Chris Paul trade to PHX:
DoubleDraft might not be on the horizon yet
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2020 14:40:47 GMT -5
I can’t believe OKC got a ton of picks to take his contract then dealt him for a ton of picks. What a great move.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2020 14:58:12 GMT -5
Is it really though? They say the 2022 first is protected, if it's lottery protected that's not a great trade for the Thunder as Jerome isn't a guy I really like. Now if that pick is only top 3 or top 5 protected that changes everything.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2020 15:05:35 GMT -5
Is it really though? They say the 2022 first is protected, if it's lottery protected that's not a great trade for the Thunder as Jerome isn't a guy I really like. Now if that pick is only top 3 or top 5 protected that changes everything. The pick is top 12 protected next year, top 10 the next, then top 8 then unprotected in 2025. They also go Oubre who they’ll be able to flip as well. That Westbrook trade just keeps giving tho... now Houston is rebuilding... sheesh |
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Post by philarhody on Nov 16, 2020 15:11:49 GMT -5
I can’t believe OKC got a ton of picks to take his contract then dealt him for a ton of picks. What a great move. Such a good deal for them. Now they are going to part out Oubre and Rubio as well |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 16, 2020 17:23:43 GMT -5
FYI it's now being reported that Haywards deadline to opt in is tomorrow by 5 so Cs will know ahead of the draft.
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Post by philarhody on Nov 16, 2020 17:29:04 GMT -5
The Celtics also worked out Theo Maledon... he hasn’t been talked about as a stash candidate but I wonder if he is... I just heard today that Maledon is adamant that he will refuse a stash. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2020 17:59:53 GMT -5
Is it really though? They say the 2022 first is protected, if it's lottery protected that's not a great trade for the Thunder as Jerome isn't a guy I really like. Now if that pick is only top 3 or top 5 protected that changes everything. The pick is top 12 protected next year, top 10 the next, then top 8 then unprotected in 2025. They also go Oubre who they’ll be able to flip as well. That Westbrook trade just keeps giving tho... now Houston is rebuilding... sheesh Yeah the Houston trade looks like a KG/Pierce trade. I like this trade for the Sun's. Help Booker and Ayton learn to win from a true pro. That 2022 pick will be based off of Paul's last year. They get to keep this years pick and next year's. Anything can happen, yet good chance that 2022 pick conveys and is a mid round pick. Especially if they are smart and draft a PG at 10 this year to learn under Paul. Now if the Thunder can flip Oubre for more assets it's not a bad trade for them either. Yet I don't see anything great unless the Sun's fall apart and that pick ends up being high. Chris Paul is still one heck of a player and the Sun's need to start winning. I guess it really comes down to what you think of Oubre. I'm not a big fan of his game or advanced numbers. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2020 18:16:08 GMT -5
The pick is top 12 protected next year, top 10 the next, then top 8 then unprotected in 2025. They also go Oubre who they’ll be able to flip as well. That Westbrook trade just keeps giving tho... now Houston is rebuilding... sheesh Yeah the Houston trade looks like a KG/Pierce trade. I like this trade for the Sun's. Help Booker and Ayton learn to win from a true pro. That 2022 pick will be based off of Paul's last year. They get to keep this years pick and next year's. Anything can happen, yet good chance that 2022 pick conveys and is a mid round pick. Especially if they are smart and draft a PG at 10 this year to learn under Paul. Now if the Thunder can flip Oubre for more assets it's not a bad trade for them either. Yet I don't see anything great unless the Sun's fall apart and that pick ends up being high. Chris Paul is still one heck of a player and the Sun's need to start winning. I guess it really comes down to what you think of Oubre. I'm not a big fan of his game or advanced numbers. It can be a good trade for both teams. I understand why the Suns did it, especially to keep Booker happy and teaching the team how to win is big. They kept all their best young guys and the 10th pick this year. I understand why OKC would like to move him and to get a first and 2 other guys who can be turned into assets is a nice get. If Oubre keeps improving his 3 point shot then his trade value at the deadline will be pretty high. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2020 18:35:09 GMT -5
Big change, Hayward has to opt in tomorrow by 5pm... that’s huge
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 16, 2020 20:32:43 GMT -5
Why do you keep saying that? You make it sound like Ball is overrated and it's just his name. Ball and Hayes are nothing alike, not even close. Ball has some of the best ball skills and passing you'll ever see, Hayes is much more a score first PG. It's like comparing Jason Kidd to Tony Parker or something like that, they are crazy different. Because I think Ball is overrated and he'll suck just as his older brother does. I'm just saying Hayes lacks some hype around him that would push him closer to the top of the draft if he was an american player. Well, I know he's american, but you know what I mean. Also, Hayes is a very good passer. |
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Post by mobaz on Nov 17, 2020 6:49:21 GMT -5
Jrue and Bogdan to the Bucks and Covington to the Blazers. First round picks being handed out like candy (Bucks give up 3 firsts and 2 pick swaps, which always works out.
Definitely don't get the Blazers trading two firsts and Ariza for Covington. Joke on Twitter was Houston got more firsts for Covington than they did for DeAndre Hopkins.
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Post by philarhody on Nov 17, 2020 6:55:32 GMT -5
Jrue and Bogdan to the Bucks and Covington to the Blazers. First round picks being handed out like candy (Bucks give up 3 firsts and 2 pick swaps, which always works out. Definitely don't get the Blazers trading two firsts and Ariza for Covington. Joke on Twitter was Houston got more firsts for Covington than they did for DeAndre Hopkins. My gosh, that’s way too much for one year of Jrue Holliday and a sign and trade for Bogdan. I hope Danny just builds around Tatum this season. Get younger while the rest of the league goes for broke. |
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Post by philarhody on Nov 17, 2020 6:56:58 GMT -5
Why do you keep saying that? You make it sound like Ball is overrated and it's just his name. Ball and Hayes are nothing alike, not even close. Ball has some of the best ball skills and passing you'll ever see, Hayes is much more a score first PG. It's like comparing Jason Kidd to Tony Parker or something like that, they are crazy different. Because I think Ball is overrated and he'll suck just as his older brother does. I'm just saying Hayes lacks some hype around him that would push him closer to the top of the draft if he was an american player. Well, I know he's american, but you know what I mean. Also, Hayes is a very good passer. Lamelo is extremely confident with the ball in his hands. Lonzo barely wanted it at UCLA. I do like Hayes a lot though. And he’s a great passer. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 7:10:37 GMT -5
The follow up buzz on Milwaukee is that there is no way they make the Holiday deal without assurances Giannis signs his Super Max. So if that's part of the value, you kinda have to do it. No?
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 7:10:49 GMT -5
Because I think Ball is overrated and he'll suck just as his older brother does. I'm just saying Hayes lacks some hype around him that would push him closer to the top of the draft if he was an american player. Well, I know he's american, but you know what I mean. Also, Hayes is a very good passer. Lamelo is extremely confident with the ball in his hands. Lonzo barely wanted it at UCLA. I do like Hayes a lot though. And he’s a great passer. I like those deals for the Bucks assuming they got Giannis to commit to signing his super max deal. If he doesn’t sign it now, I’ll lose a lot of respect for him. Holiday Bogdanovic Middleton Giannis Lopes Is a pretty sweet starting 5. |
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