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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 7:13:53 GMT -5
I get the Covington deal. He’s way better than Ariza and the Blazers are getting up there so they need to make a run. This years 16th pick is a project so we need to see the protections on the 2021 pick.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 7:14:17 GMT -5
These deals make me happy they weren’t the ones getting Holiday.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 7:40:04 GMT -5
The follow up buzz on Milwaukee is that there is no way they make the Holiday deal without assurances Giannis signs his Super Max. So if that's part of the value, you kinda have to do it. No? 100% and if he doesn’t sign then they are screwed for over a decade. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 7:42:36 GMT -5
I’ve always liked Giannis because he’s not like other NBA superstars. It makes sense, he’s from a different country and grew up way different. I truly hope he stays in Milwaukee and only leaves like Garnett did Minnesota, reluctantly near the end of his career.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 9:30:52 GMT -5
Brooklyn gutting it’s squad and future picks for Harden wouldn’t even make me upset. Would love to see those 3 survive together.
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Post by badfishnbc on Nov 17, 2020 10:38:14 GMT -5
What I don't like is that we're staring down the barrel of another 2 months of criticism that Danny didn't make a move. Which isn't fair - the Bucks didn't just overpay - they splashed the effing pot. Saw this on Twitter but I'll co-sign: if that's the price some teams with title aspirations are paying for starter-type support players, then the C's would be well-served to start loading up on picks to help build around Tatum.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 17, 2020 12:42:02 GMT -5
If the Bucks defensive strategy continues to be backing off any picks and packing the paint, they could trade for Jesus Christ and it wouldn't make a difference. They're also sacrificing A LOT of depth. Huge upgrade to the talent in the starting 5 though, they look insane strong right now.
Hayward opts in, gets traded to the Pacers for Turner and we can beat them. Believe.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 13:32:58 GMT -5
Wow, the Bucks wouldn't pay Brogdon and trade him for a first round pick. Now they do this, like OMG they just made the Cardinal sin in Basketball going all in on non elite players. Three first round picks and two pick swaps for Jrue Holiday lol. Did they improve? Yeah a little bit, yet you just traded all your picks and young players. I would have done that for a guy like Harden, not Holiday.
Thank God Danny is smart and builds for the now and future. You have to keep a pipeline of good young players or you won't have long-term success in the NBA.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 13:43:23 GMT -5
Lamelo is extremely confident with the ball in his hands. Lonzo barely wanted it at UCLA. I do like Hayes a lot though. And he’s a great passer. I like those deals for the Bucks assuming they got Giannis to commit to signing his super max deal. If he doesn’t sign it now, I’ll lose a lot of respect for him. Holiday Bogdanovic Middleton Giannis Lopes Is a pretty sweet starting 5. Now imagine that team in 2-4 years. Giannis is 25, Middleton is 29, Holiday is 30 and Lopez is 32. You know damn well Holiday is opting out next year and getting a crazy deal. They could have just signed Brogdon last year and say traded for Chris Paul for a fraction of the cost. Chris Paul was 5th in win shares last year, Holiday was 16th and is going to get a crazy long deal after that trade. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 13:43:36 GMT -5
Wellllll . . .
According to Zach Harper, Danny was trying to use Kemba to get the picks to trade for Jrue.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 13:53:03 GMT -5
Wellllll . . . According to Zach Harper, Danny was trying to use Kemba to get the picks to trade for Jrue. So he was basically trying to trade Kemba for Jrue... i don’t agree with it but that’s different than leaving your own pick trove bare and trading a bunch of guys |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 14:05:20 GMT -5
Wow, the Bucks wouldn't pay Brogdon and trade him for a first round pick. Now they do this, like OMG they just made the Cardinal sin in Basketball going all in on non elite players. Three first round picks and two pick swaps for Jrue Holiday lol. Did they improve? Yeah a little bit, yet you just traded all your picks and young players. I would have done that for a guy like Harden, not Holiday. Thank God Danny is smart and builds for the now and future. You have to keep a pipeline of good young players or you won't have long-term success in the NBA. I just hope to Christ, for their sake, they got Giannis to sign off and agree to sign before making these deals. If so, then they are worth it because the Bucks need to keep Giannis long term. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 14:08:44 GMT -5
Why do you keep saying that? You make it sound like Ball is overrated and it's just his name. Ball and Hayes are nothing alike, not even close. Ball has some of the best ball skills and passing you'll ever see, Hayes is much more a score first PG. It's like comparing Jason Kidd to Tony Parker or something like that, they are crazy different. Because I think Ball is overrated and he'll suck just as his older brother does. I'm just saying Hayes lacks some hype around him that would push him closer to the top of the draft if he was an american player. Well, I know he's american, but you know what I mean. Also, Hayes is a very good passer. They aren't similar players and you really think his older brother sucks? He was 9th in win shares last year among PGs. I don't know how you say a guy who's seen as top 5-10 lacks hype. Ball is rated higher because his combo of size, passing and dribbling is something you see once a decade. I've now watched tape on almost every PG and none even come close to having Balls passing and ball skills. Who knows how he develops and I don't even know how I'd feel about drafting him. Yet I don't see the overrated part. He's been a top high school guy for years and years. I think Hayes is a good passer, yet nothing elite. He's much more of a scorer and has some advanced moves for his age. www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2020-player-comparisons-for-lamelo-ball-james-wiseman-anthony-edwards-and-other-top-prospects/Give you some idea of what people are seeing. I don't see the Andre Miller comp, I do see the Mike Conley though, some Tony Parker. I like him, yet do worry about his athletic ability and shooting. If both players best current skill is passing, Ball is clearly better. You watch tape and think they are equal? What does Hayes do better than Ball? |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 14:10:28 GMT -5
So you don't read this as Kemba PLUS a LOT for Jrue? (likely with Kemba going elsewhere)
As I posted previously, there are usually multiple possible interpretations of a "rumor" but it sure seems like Danny was trying to beat or, at least, match the Milwaukee offer. So, depending on what you think Kemba could've gotten in picks, the ultimate deal would've likely been Kemba plus picks plus swaps.
Otherwise, they could've just gotten the salary match, traded all 3 of this year's picks and threw in a couple of swaps.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 14:26:19 GMT -5
I guess 1 interpretation of the report is that he was trying to get picks to include in the deal bc he had designs on using some or all of this year's picks in another trade so he didn't want to use them here???
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 14:40:32 GMT -5
Danny talks about everyone and there are always tons of rumors. My issue with the Bucks trade is the pick swaps are 2024 and 2026, with unprotected picks in 2025 and 2027. Giannis could sign a new deal and depending how he does it opt out well before a bunch of those picks are due. That could be a Nets trade in the making right there for Jrue Holiday.
Even if Danny traded Walker and all three picks this year, something I'm not a fan of. We aren't selling out our future till 2027. I actually applaud Danny for looking at moving Walker, he clearly saw what we all did he was a weak link on D. Yet Danny's not stupid. In the end he likely drove up the price for the Bucks to a crazy level and that's a good thing.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 14:46:26 GMT -5
If GA has agreed to sign his Super Max, is it a different story? Some have said he has (or would have to have for Milwaukee to make this deal).
I get the other part of what you all are saying. Don't love overpaying for things but if you're going to do it, better with "someone else's money".
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 14:51:25 GMT -5
Unrelated, but Sean Deveany thinks Isaac Okoro is the object of Danny's affection.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 15:12:53 GMT -5
If GA has agreed to sign his Super Max, is it a different story? Some have said he has (or would have to have for Milwaukee to make this deal). I get the other part of what you all are saying. Don't love overpaying for things but if you're going to do it, better with "someone else's money". What the deal? A five year super max with no opt outs? A five year deal with an opt out after 3 years? If it's five years, no opt outs it certainly makes the deal look better. Yet it still feels like the Thunder years ago. They didn't want to go into the tax, so they traded Harden/Brogdon. That pissed off the stars, so they then decide to spend and make moves. Yet everything is still worse now. You are having to make these moves because you already pissed off your star players. I just don't get it. If they did this and didn't have an agreement where he stays for at minimum four years everyone in the front office should be fired. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 15:14:40 GMT -5
Unrelated, but Sean Deveany thinks Isaac Okoro is the object of Danny's affection. I'm not surprised. Let's just hope he's Jaylen Brown and not Winslow. |
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Post by rjw on Nov 17, 2020 15:20:16 GMT -5
If the Bucks defensive strategy continues to be backing off any picks and packing the paint, they could trade for Jesus Christ and it wouldn't make a difference. They're also sacrificing A LOT of depth. Huge upgrade to the talent in the starting 5 though, they look insane strong right now. Hayward opts in, gets traded to the Pacers for Turner and we can beat them. Believe. Are you saying Jesus Christ can't defend the Pick & Roll?  |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 15:20:39 GMT -5
If GA has agreed to sign his Super Max, is it a different story? Some have said he has (or would have to have for Milwaukee to make this deal). I get the other part of what you all are saying. Don't love overpaying for things but if you're going to do it, better with "someone else's money". What the deal? A five year super max with no opt outs? A five year deal with an opt out after 3 years? If it's five years, no opt outs it certainly makes the deal look better. Yet it still feels like the Thunder years ago. They didn't want to go into the tax, so they traded Harden/Brogdon. That pissed off the stars, so they then decide to spend and make moves. Yet everything is still worse now. You are having to make these moves because you already pissed off your star players. I just don't get it. If they did this and didn't have an agreement where he stays for at minimum four years everyone in the front office should be fired. I probably don't have the cap terms right. I thought Super Max implies the extended years. If it's just the money and can be in the varied formats that you highlight, then it's still dependent on that. Agreed. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 15:22:12 GMT -5
Some reports are trickling in that Hou/BRK have agreed on a Harden deal. So that could be 2 teams going all in (previous thoughts on a Harden deal had BRK giving up ALL of their depth/youth).
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 15:43:15 GMT -5
C's and Hayward are working to extend the deadline for him to make his decision. Something would appear to be afoot.
EDIT: Deadline is now the previously thought Thursday at 5PM.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 15:53:34 GMT -5
What the deal? A five year super max with no opt outs? A five year deal with an opt out after 3 years? If it's five years, no opt outs it certainly makes the deal look better. Yet it still feels like the Thunder years ago. They didn't want to go into the tax, so they traded Harden/Brogdon. That pissed off the stars, so they then decide to spend and make moves. Yet everything is still worse now. You are having to make these moves because you already pissed off your star players. I just don't get it. If they did this and didn't have an agreement where he stays for at minimum four years everyone in the front office should be fired. I probably don't have the cap terms right. I thought Super Max implies the extended years. If it's just the money and can be in the varied formats that you highlight, then it's still dependent on that. Agreed. A super max deal just allows you to get 35% of the cap for up to five years. It doesn't have to be though, John Wall got four years. Giannis has all the leverage so if he didn't include an opt out he'd be an idiot. Players with leverage have been taking shorter deals to increase their leverage even more. Look at the recent LeBron, Durrant and Leonard deals. So it will be interesting what he does. If I was his agent I wouldn't lock him in for too long given that roster. |
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