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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 16:00:21 GMT -5
C's and Hayward are working to extend the deadline for him to make his decision. Something would appear to be afoot. EDIT: Deadline is now the previously thought Thursday at 5PM. Kinda signals a pending trade right? Or they are working on multiple one and need more time. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 16:02:10 GMT -5
Unless they are working on an an opt-out and re-sign with Boston. He may want to know what that contract looks like before giving up his current one.
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Post by philarhody on Nov 17, 2020 16:05:26 GMT -5
C's and Hayward are working to extend the deadline for him to make his decision. Something would appear to be afoot. EDIT: Deadline is now the previously thought Thursday at 5PM. Kinda signals a pending trade right? Or they are working on multiple one and need more time. That’s my guess |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 16:09:12 GMT -5
Whatever the outcome, certainly seems like Hayward leaving without any compensation to Boston is likely not going to happen (unless something drastically breaks down).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 16:16:21 GMT -5
Given free agency starts on Friday, I would think an extension would be easy. I bet half the free agents already have deals lined up. Just like with Horford last year. Heck he could just opt in and sign an extension. That's makes the tax payments higher. Yet if it's a sign and trade him opting in really makes things hard. Him at four year 88 million, what I've seen online is a lot easier to trade then him at 34 plus million. You could get Turner without taking back anything in a sign and trade.
Interesting stuff and oh yeah BTW there's a draft tomorrow lol😂
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 16:21:33 GMT -5
Agree that the opt-out to re-sign with Boston is the least likely scenario. Just making sure they're all listed for completeness.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 16:25:13 GMT -5
So you don't read this as Kemba PLUS a LOT for Jrue? (likely with Kemba going elsewhere) As I posted previously, there are usually multiple possible interpretations of a "rumor" but it sure seems like Danny was trying to beat or, at least, match the Milwaukee offer. So, depending on what you think Kemba could've gotten in picks, the ultimate deal would've likely been Kemba plus picks plus swaps. Otherwise, they could've just gotten the salary match, traded all 3 of this year's picks and threw in a couple of swaps. I don’t because Danny has never grossly overpaid for a trade. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 16:27:27 GMT -5
So you don't read this as Kemba PLUS a LOT for Jrue? (likely with Kemba going elsewhere) As I posted previously, there are usually multiple possible interpretations of a "rumor" but it sure seems like Danny was trying to beat or, at least, match the Milwaukee offer. So, depending on what you think Kemba could've gotten in picks, the ultimate deal would've likely been Kemba plus picks plus swaps. Otherwise, they could've just gotten the salary match, traded all 3 of this year's picks and threw in a couple of swaps. I don’t because Danny has never grossly overpaid for a trade. I mean, he did try to one time, at least. No? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 16:37:46 GMT -5
I don’t because Danny has never grossly overpaid for a trade. I mean, he did try to one time, at least. No? When? The 3 firsts to move up for Winslow is the one instance but that was the year they had to take Yabu and Zizic to stash because they needed max space. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 16:38:36 GMT -5
I can’t wrap my head around why they extended Hayward’s deadline. I’ve had a rough work day today so my brain is slow.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 16:43:45 GMT -5
Now a completely different report (Kevin O'Connor) saying that Boston offered Hayward and a 1st.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 16:45:44 GMT -5
Given free agency starts on Friday, I would think an extension would be easy. I bet half the free agents already have deals lined up. Just like with Horford last year. Heck he could just opt in and sign an extension. That's makes the tax payments higher. Yet if it's a sign and trade him opting in really makes things hard. Him at four year 88 million, what I've seen online is a lot easier to trade then him at 34 plus million. You could get Turner without taking back anything in a sign and trade. Interesting stuff and oh yeah BTW there's a draft tomorrow lol😂 Ok let’s say that’s the scenario - Hayward opts out - resigns for 4/88 then they flip him for Turner... a resigned Hayward fir a signed Turner really should be a straight up deal right? Hopefully, Boston isn’t including picks |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 16:49:07 GMT -5
I can’t wrap my head around why they extended Hayward’s deadline. I’ve had a rough work day today so my brain is slow. So the options (with varying levels of likelihood) are: - He's going to opt out and just leave. Outside of Boston just being nice (right), C's willingness to extend deadline wouldn't make sense here but, for completeness. - He's going to opt out and re-sign with Boston. Not likely again but possible. - He's going to opt out and sign with another team via S&T and they are working with teams on this - He's going to opt in and get traded and, again, they are working together on a destination and compensation. On the later 2, Keith Smith saying that sources are indicating that if he's traded, it's likely the S&T option not the opt in version. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 16:57:18 GMT -5
Given free agency starts on Friday, I would think an extension would be easy. I bet half the free agents already have deals lined up. Just like with Horford last year. Heck he could just opt in and sign an extension. That's makes the tax payments higher. Yet if it's a sign and trade him opting in really makes things hard. Him at four year 88 million, what I've seen online is a lot easier to trade then him at 34 plus million. You could get Turner without taking back anything in a sign and trade. Interesting stuff and oh yeah BTW there's a draft tomorrow lol😂 Ok let’s say that’s the scenario - Hayward opts out - resigns for 4/88 then they flip him for Turner... a resigned Hayward fir a signed Turner really should be a straight up deal right? Hopefully, Boston isn’t including picks Yeah I agree with that. Maybe you include a pick or two to dump players, yet not 14. Yet this market is crazy. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 17:02:33 GMT -5
Ok let’s say that’s the scenario - Hayward opts out - resigns for 4/88 then they flip him for Turner... a resigned Hayward fir a signed Turner really should be a straight up deal right? Hopefully, Boston isn’t including picks Yeah I agree with that. Maybe you include a pick or two to dump players, yet not 14. Yet this market is crazy. Maybe they can trade 26 for a further first from the Pacers in the deal. That’d be a nice way to not make 3 picks this year. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 17:09:48 GMT -5
Now the report is Hayward and all 3 picks for Jrue (so somebody has it wrong but it would seem like the initial report of only 1 would seem light relative to the ultimate deal).
EDIT - TBC both articles (NBC on the first one, RealGM on the 2nd) were siting KOC's report. So one of those pieces were wrong on what KOC said (it was on WEEI if anyone was listening).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 17:11:28 GMT -5
We keep hearing the Knicks in on Hayward. Is that a way to get #8 and maybe Randle?
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 17:13:04 GMT -5
I can’t wrap my head around why they extended Hayward’s deadline. I’ve had a rough work day today so my brain is slow. So the options (with varying levels of likelihood) are: - He's going to opt out and just leave. Outside of Boston just being nice (right), C's willingness to extend deadline wouldn't make sense here but, for completeness. - He's going to opt out and re-sign with Boston. Not likely again but possible. - He's going to opt out and sign with another team via S&T and they are working with teams on this - He's going to opt in and get traded and, again, they are working together on a destination and compensation. On the later 2, Keith Smith saying that sources are indicating that if he's traded, it's likely the S&T option not the opt in version. I think they changed things for this off-season that guys who are signed before December 13 can get traded right away. I could be wrong and I don’t know sign and trades rules anymore after the Kemba Rozier transaction. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 17:13:23 GMT -5
RE NYK: They can sign him outright though, right?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 17:25:53 GMT -5
Well the Knicks cap space depends on which options they pick up. Yet yeah they can. Yet a sign and trade clears Randle's money and four million buyout next year. Plus he doesn't really fit at PF, he's at his best at center. Maybe it's just me reading the tea leafs wrong because I love Randle. Yet lots of talk about Hayward to Knicks and us trading for the eighth pick.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2020 17:26:39 GMT -5
RE NYK: They can sign him outright though, right? Yes - but they may need to dump long term money to keep Max space next year? |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 17, 2020 17:29:16 GMT -5
So the options (with varying levels of likelihood) are: - He's going to opt out and just leave. Outside of Boston just being nice (right), C's willingness to extend deadline wouldn't make sense here but, for completeness. - He's going to opt out and re-sign with Boston. Not likely again but possible. - He's going to opt out and sign with another team via S&T and they are working with teams on this - He's going to opt in and get traded and, again, they are working together on a destination and compensation. On the later 2, Keith Smith saying that sources are indicating that if he's traded, it's likely the S&T option not the opt in version. I think they changed things for this off-season that guys who are signed before December 13 can get traded right away. I could be wrong and I don’t know sign and trades rules anymore after the Kemba Rozier transaction. These 3, copied below, are far than likely the only viable options that make sense. Seeing that they are working together, how different are options 2 and 3 as it relates to the Celtics? I look it as he's either signing an extension or what I lean more towards he's being dealt and likely Indiana. If he opts in and gets traded, both sides can win here, so that makes the most sense of what just happened to day. They may be other bit parts to it (player from Indy) maybe even a pick (from Celts) as Indiana does not have a first round pick, but I would think at worst we'd give them 26 because Hayward was a better player than Turner last year, 5.7 WS to 4.2 and is more accomplished too. - He's going to opt out and re-sign with Boston. Not likely again but possible. - He's going to opt out and sign with another team via S&T and they are working with teams on this - He's going to opt in and get traded and, again, they are working together on a destination and compensation. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2020 17:34:01 GMT -5
The return that Boston would/could get is likely the difference between the last 2. If he's opting in and traded, then the other team is only getting 1 year (do they even get a full one with COVID looming again?) at 34M. Not sure Boston gets anywhere close to acceptable value for that.
A sign-and-trade? Different story.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 17, 2020 18:07:03 GMT -5
You watch tape and think they are equal? What does Hayes do better than Ball? Iso scoring, shooting, bigger frame (shorter, but bulkier), much better shooter, has a go to move that likely translate well to the NBA. Basically, I think he's a much better player already while being a month older. Not sure Ball has the ceiling that would put him over Hayes in my mind. Also, Lonzo's rebounding likely overblow his WS as a PG. He sucks ass. I wasn't a fan from day one, then I did see something and started believing but NOPE. Dude has zero game. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2020 18:10:11 GMT -5
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