2020 Celtics Offseason

A move this early smells of them trying to get assets to move up.

I hope Danny knows what he's doing and doesn't let the roster crunch have him make a bad trade. The value of this draft is the depth, not the top of the draft.

This is my fear. With all his talk of “we can’t roster 4 rookies,” I’m afraid Danny might fart away a potential star for an ok role player.

Wiggins is certainly a negative asset, yet one that has upside. Like no team has ever been willing to bench him if he didn't play D or smart ball. I mean if you can unlock his D that would be very interesting.

The Warriors are in cap hell and could actually use three picks to fill out the roster. Yet this isn't a rumor, just message board type crap. Yet it makes sense in that Hayward likely would love to join the Warriors and how else do you get a top three pick?

Who does Danny want? Wiseman? I can see that, if he thinks he's an all-star center, the final piece type stuff.

So much out there right now but starting to see some trends. Building on consensus mocks as well as John Hollinger's recent piece on where things stand:

- the top 3 will be Ball, Wiseman and Edwards in some order. Who takes them is still up for debate.
- what happens at 4 could trigger a series of moves.
- NYK seems to want Toppin and a recent report that they're trying to package 8 with the recently acquired 23 lines up (feeling is that they'd need to add more). Cavs' willingness dependent on if Avdija is still there?
- Atlanta seems to like Haliburton which makes a ton of sense. But Haliburton could go #4
- Detroit likes Patrick Williams but if he goes #4 (as some are now thinking) would they go Hayes?
- If they can't move up, Knicks like Okoro (TT likes guys who can D)
- Okongu to Washington has been pretty consistent for a while. IF OO really IS Ainge's guy, it's likely they need to get above this spot.
- Saddiq Bey and Devin Vassell seem locked into the lottery as well.


If Boston can't move up from 14, I wonder if they could package 26, 30 and 47 to get high enough to take Anthony with a 2nd first rounder. Knicks just moved up from 27 to 23 using 38 so gotta believe they could get up into the 20 range and that seems to be where he's dropping to.

Follow up reports have already come out. It's a broken toe and should only require a few weeks rest. Seemingly no impact on draft stock.

Honest question. It does seem to be deep with many guys being mocked and ranked up or down 15+ spots in some cases. But is it deep or overall just weak? Seems like the hype machine in this day and age can make guys who will never play more than 5 minutes a night have the potential to be special. Look back at drafts historically and how many guys ever become more than a role player, especially in drafts like this one. This draft might be deep or it might just have fewer guys than normal ever make a contribution.

 It can be exciting to think about the what ifs like draft and stash guys or getting the next Draymond Green but the fact remains the C's are very young and getting younger isn't in their best interest right now. The thought of moving up is intriguing but how far up can they go, all 3 picks and GH to get in the top 3?

Not trying to be a Debbie Downer but we get excited every year and usually it is a let down. Having said that once again I am excited to see what they do, just like the last 40+ years. 

And I think I would trade GH and all 3 for Wiseman.

www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2019.html

Way too early to judge a draft. Yet by advanced stats Clarke at pick 21 was the best player last year. He had an undrafted Dort starting and scoring 30 points in a playoff game.

When we are talking deep, it's NBA players that can help you, not star talent. This draft is deep in NBA talent with a lot of guys that could become starters if everything goes right. You might get a few higher end starters later in the draft. Who knows maybe a few surprises.

So for me at 14 you want to get a starter and 26/30 quality role players or upside guys. It just depends what you want and who's available. I wasn't a huge fan of Grant Williams based on upside and because I wanted Clarke. Yet that's also solid value for his draft slot. He's a legit NBA player that can help you.

It just depends what you want. Swing for the fences, which includes a ton more risk or play it safe with less upside. With so many picks we should be able to do both.

I heard a pretty good argument that this is the kind of draft to swing for the fences because you have so few sure things that the return of upside is so much higher than meeting a "role player" floor.

(still bitter about moving up in a crappy draft to pick a 22 year old skinny center who can't play D instead of an 18 year old with The Greek Freak moniker).

www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2013.html

KO is 7th in win shares in that draft. Now there are certainly a few guys below him I'd rather have. Yet he wasn't a bad pick. There were seven international guys taken after KO. Two are all-star level, one is a very solid player and four are total busts. I don't even remember talk about Giannis from that draft. I do remember Gobert, yet he was so skinny and frail looking. Oops I got that dead wrong. I would just caution if you take all upside high risk guys, you could get three busts and KO would look darn good. We also don't have room for three raw upside guys like Langford.

I'd point out Clarke went later because of his age and that looks like a steal. I actually love a bunch of older guys in this draft. Players like Grant Riller, Bane, Tillie, Tillman, Dotson, etc. They might not be stars, yet they can help you next year. So I'm going for a mix of upside and ready to play guys. It's actually why I love Anthony and Maxey I think they can help next year, while also being rather high upside guys.

I trust Danny overall not many better drafting GMs than him. He's not perfect, but his darn good.