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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 19, 2020 12:12:27 GMT -5
If we go into the next season with Theis, Timelord and Grant as our big men rotation I'm going to be VERY unpleased and ownership should step in and tell Danny to go f*ck himself.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 12:43:11 GMT -5
I'm just not sure who you are going to get that would really move the needle (I'm assuming you are worried about going up against Giannis, Embiid and Bam).
Who does well against them? Not sure they don't do against Turner what they do against everyone else.
So instead of obsessing over finding a match for every thing our competitors do well, we need to find things that they DON'T do well and capitalize. Our struggles last year were bc of depth and shooting. Danny has taken steps toward improving that.
I'd like a big too but the ROI has to make sense and not shorten our window.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2020 13:21:27 GMT -5
We also have MLE to work with in Free Agency so let’s sit tight.
Regarding Kanter, he’s most likely a vet minimum player and he’s getting paid full tax payer midlevel.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2020 13:48:10 GMT -5
Klay Thompson - officially tore his Achilles
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 14:02:31 GMT -5
My issue with Nesmith is I’m not sure the Celtics generate enough driving gravity to utilize his skill set. Tatum is an otherworldly outside shooter, but really not dynamic as a driver/finisher. Same for Kemba. Having a player like Maxey who has great finishing/floater equity plays so well off Tatum and Kemba’s skill sets. What you saw last year in the playoffs was the Celtics falling into stretches where their offense stagnated while the Heat and Raptors took away their outside advantage creation through box and one and zone. Now the rest of the league is on notice, and Nesmith probably doesn’t help a whole lot to neutralize the problem. Nesmith is not an answer to the problem. Nesmith is an answer once the problem has been solved. The thing I liked about Hampton and Maxey is that they offer real ability to penetrate such schemes in such a way that they reopen Tatum’s splashy outside shooting and advantage creation for Kemba and Brown. Edit: and I’m not gonna get into why picking a fourth year, undersized, unathletic point guard is a bad use of a first round pick. I love Maxey and agree he would have been a great fit. Yet the rest of the stuff, I don't know I really think you watch different games than I do. We have plenty of guys to drive, Brad just had to adjust and not run his standard offense with ball movement on the three point line. I mean LeBron would struggle to drive in that offense against that type of D. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 14:24:48 GMT -5
Prichard feels like using the 26th pick to fill a need instead of getting a free agent. It's not a BAD use of a 26th pick in general, but I'd have rather taken a bigger swing in the context of THIS draft. A smidge more upside and downside than working the market. Cheaper I guess. I don’t disagree but if Pritchard can come in and play right away and give 12 good minutes with 40%+ from 3 then I’ll be happy with the pick. I get the argument to go Riller over him, but I understand why they didn’t go with more of an upside play. It’s hard to develop guys if they aren’t playing and on a team that has high expectations it’s hard to develop guys. Trust me, I love Tyrell Terry and think not taking him was a mistake and possibly a huge one. Develop Grant Riller? You have no idea who he is, he's just as ready day one as Pritchard is. Riller is your overlooked VanVleet type guy from a small school. Easily the most polished scorer at PG I watched This team currently has what one raw upside guy in Langford? With 15 roster spots we really can't have more than one? Robert Williams is already a rotation player in the playoffs. Grant Williams, Edwards and Waters were all multiple year College players that weren't raw upside guys. I get you can't have two many, yet we don't seem to have enough now. This is a team built around a young core, not a short window old team. To touch on another point, we didn't address our biggest need either. Which was a scoring big that can play D. Now maybe he has a plan for that, we'll see. Yet we could be crazy upset in a few years with this draft and it won't be a Giannis type guy that came out of no where. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 14:38:08 GMT -5
FWIW, Keith Smith and Brian Robb are both speculating that the MEM deal last night likely has to do with moving salary (I know still not ideal for many but better than simply just getting 2 2nds back).
Their reasoning is that every other pick for pick trade has been announced. So this one could be waiting for Kanter's decision (for example).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 14:46:25 GMT -5
It helps, yet it's guys Danny signed last year. So it's just pissing away a first round pick because of what he did. If it was a crappy team and you could get high picks I could get that. Yet it's the Grizzlies, a good young team. Highly unlikely we get top 10 second round picks from them.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 14:53:15 GMT -5
Part of the reason I wanted good defensive PGs is because currently we have Walker and Waters. Taking out Brad for Pritchard just makes you worse on D.
The Hornets just cleaned up on PGs, maybe we can get Rozier back.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 15:03:52 GMT -5
Non-C's;
Ilyasova was just waived by the Bucks so the whole "MIL/SAC S&T might be in jeopardy" thing was not just a charade to make the NBA feel better about tampering. He was a big part of the deal.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 15:14:16 GMT -5
Piston acquiring Dedmon from Hawks, per Shams.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2020 16:17:22 GMT -5
I don’t disagree but if Pritchard can come in and play right away and give 12 good minutes with 40%+ from 3 then I’ll be happy with the pick. I get the argument to go Riller over him, but I understand why they didn’t go with more of an upside play. It’s hard to develop guys if they aren’t playing and on a team that has high expectations it’s hard to develop guys. Trust me, I love Tyrell Terry and think not taking him was a mistake and possibly a huge one. Develop Grant Riller? You have no idea who he is, he's just as ready day one as Pritchard is. Riller is your overlooked VanVleet type guy from a small school. Easily the most polished scorer at PG I watched This team currently has what one raw upside guy in Langford? With 15 roster spots we really can't have more than one? Robert Williams is already a rotation player in the playoffs. Grant Williams, Edwards and Waters were all multiple year College players that weren't raw upside guys. I get you can't have two many, yet we don't seem to have enough now. This is a team built around a young core, not a short window old team. To touch on another point, we didn't address our biggest need either. Which was a scoring big that can play D. Now maybe he has a plan for that, we'll see. Yet we could be crazy upset in a few years with this draft and it won't be a Giannis type guy that came out of no where. You misread what i said or i said it poorly. I get the argument on Riller (because he’s ready), but I get why they didn’t go for an upside guy. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 16:18:38 GMT -5
Kanter has opted in.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 16:21:43 GMT -5
nesn.com/2020/11/nba-insider-claims-this-gordon-hayward-trade-is-a-possibility/I love Drummond, but Drummond, Theis and Williams doesn't work. You need once again to add shooting or scoring. Yet I'd love to see what Drummond could do for our D. Get him back to the guy he was a few years ago leading the league in defensive win shares for two years in a row. Yet he's also going to greatly effect the offense.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 16:33:48 GMT -5
Kaufman just retweeted Bill Burt (Eagle Trib) who said he expects to hear Hayward to Indy for Turner and McDermott. I'm guessing it's just him posting an idea and not coming with any inside info.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 16:35:21 GMT -5
Develop Grant Riller? You have no idea who he is, he's just as ready day one as Pritchard is. Riller is your overlooked VanVleet type guy from a small school. Easily the most polished scorer at PG I watched This team currently has what one raw upside guy in Langford? With 15 roster spots we really can't have more than one? Robert Williams is already a rotation player in the playoffs. Grant Williams, Edwards and Waters were all multiple year College players that weren't raw upside guys. I get you can't have two many, yet we don't seem to have enough now. This is a team built around a young core, not a short window old team. To touch on another point, we didn't address our biggest need either. Which was a scoring big that can play D. Now maybe he has a plan for that, we'll see. Yet we could be crazy upset in a few years with this draft and it won't be a Giannis type guy that came out of no where. You misread what i said or i said it poorly. I get the argument on Riller (because he’s ready), but I get why they didn’t go for an upside guy. I'm not sure I get it. Like who do you want more Waters/Edwards or Terry? Terry might not do anything next year, yet I'm perfectly fine with that. I've always hated teams selling second round picks for money. We basically sold a first for money. Everyone acts like we have to trade guys, we could just waive them and eat the money. If Hayward walks the tax isn't even an issue. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 16:37:37 GMT -5
Kaufman just retweeted Bill Burt (Eagle Trib) who said he expects to hear Hayward to Indy for Turner and McDermott. I'm guessing it's just him posting an idea and not coming with any inside info. Hahaha, I've been looking at comps for Nesmith and McDermott is a darn good one. Granted Nesmith is a little more creative around the three point line, yet size wise and limited athlete wise they are very similar. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 16:42:43 GMT -5
Had seen that idea floated by one of the usual C's guys but they had thought Boston would look for a 3rd team for Turner??? (may have been BRobb bc he seems to be on the Turner isn't as adored as many feel kick).
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2020 16:59:24 GMT -5
You misread what i said or i said it poorly. I get the argument on Riller (because he’s ready), but I get why they didn’t go for an upside guy. I'm not sure I get it. Like who do you want more Waters/Edwards or Terry? Terry might not do anything next year, yet I'm perfectly fine with that. I've always hated teams selling second round picks for money. We basically sold a first for money. Everyone acts like we have to trade guys, we could just waive them and eat the money. If Hayward walks the tax isn't even an issue. I’m not happy with trading the 30th pick. I’d rather Terry over those guys no question. I’d rather Terry over Pritchard - I just understand the Pritchard selection. I’m with you 100% on the trade of 30. Unless the second round picks turn into high seconds then maybe that changes things a little. Have we seen which picks they are? |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 16:59:26 GMT -5
Hayward has opted out.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2020 17:00:58 GMT -5
Hayward out
Kanter in
Still a chance for a sign and trade with Hayward and also a chance they come to terms on a long term contract
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 17:06:04 GMT -5
Hayward out Kanter in Still a chance for a sign and trade with Hayward and also a chance they come to terms on a long term contract No QO for Wanamaker either (though, he didn't get one last year so it's not over for him in Boston yet). Still waiting on Semi and QOs for Waters/Fall. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 17:10:46 GMT -5
I'm not sure I get it. Like who do you want more Waters/Edwards or Terry? Terry might not do anything next year, yet I'm perfectly fine with that. I've always hated teams selling second round picks for money. We basically sold a first for money. Everyone acts like we have to trade guys, we could just waive them and eat the money. If Hayward walks the tax isn't even an issue. I’m not happy with trading the 30th pick. I’d rather Terry over those guys no question. I’d rather Terry over Pritchard - I just understand the Pritchard selection. I’m with you 100% on the trade of 30. Unless the second round picks turn into high seconds then maybe that changes things a little. Have we seen which picks they are? Nope. www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Grizzlies.htmThat's their picks, though they did trade one yesterday to get Tillman. Damn the Grizz, they turned four seconds into Bane and Tillman. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 17:14:01 GMT -5
So we now can use the full mid-level right? That could be huge.
What the hard cap number?
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2020 17:27:40 GMT -5
So we now can use the full mid-level right? That could be huge. What the hard cap number? Yes if he just leaves they can No idea Also, QOs given to Tacko and Waters |
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