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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 17:32:39 GMT -5
As Keith Smith opines, no announcement likely means they didnt pick up Semis option. Technically he would become an RFA but then we'd probably hear that they have extended him an offer.
More than likely, hes UFA now. As expected.
EDIT - Looks like they did pick up his option. It's not a guaranteed deal so I think they can ultimately walk away still.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 19, 2020 17:40:12 GMT -5
Much like Irving, although not nearly as cancerous, Hayward never felt like he was OUR GUY. As I look into the future of this team, I feel more and more like that's a thing and I also started to wonder if Danny made a mistake letting Rozier go for Kemba. Terry was VERY MUCH our guy. Goddamn umass get out of my head. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 17:40:33 GMT -5
Wait a minute, we gave Falls a two way deal or an offer for the 15 man roster? I'm about to blow my top if you can't pick a guy at 30, yet are giving Falls a roster spot.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 17:45:07 GMT -5
QO on a 2-way is still a 2-way. Can end up something more but doesnt guarantee it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 17:47:37 GMT -5
I'm not joking call up the Bulls and Hornets to get a three team deal that gets us Rozier back. He has no place on the Hornets after they took Ball and Riller.
I can get behind Rozier and Pritchard, at least one PG is good on D.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 19, 2020 17:49:35 GMT -5
Talk is Hayward might still come back on a new deal and opt out is a formality.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 19, 2020 17:59:31 GMT -5
Talk is Hayward might still come back on a new deal and opt out is a formality. Semi's deal becomes fully guaranteed on Saturday. Hayward might affect it |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2020 18:00:51 GMT -5
As Keith Smith opines, no announcement likely means they didnt pick up Semis option. Technically he would become an RFA but then we'd probably hear that they have extended him an offer. More than likely, hes UFA now. As expected. EDIT - Looks like they did pick up his option. It's not a guaranteed deal so I think they can ultimately walk away still. It becomes guaranteed some point on Saturday so could be part of a trade package or insurance if things don’t go as planned. Basically, there’s no reason not to hold him fir a couple days |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 19, 2020 18:07:00 GMT -5
I'm not joking call up the Bulls and Hornets to get a three team deal that gets us Rozier back. He has no place on the Hornets after they took Ball and Riller. I can get behind Rozier and Pritchard, at least one PG is good on D. 🤣😂🤯 I wouldn't oppose it, especially if we get Lauri Legend as well somehow. Real talk here, I think what ultimately ended Rozier's tenure with us was his overall demeanor during the Kyrie drama season. I don't hold it against him, he was still very young and he got shafted in the situation getting much less playing time than he deserved. Like the rest of us, he had to endure so much shit, however he handled it poorly and he was very aloof through it. I think his play suffered from it, he looked terrible out there. He's a very good player and I love his mentality on offense and especially defense. And he's a Celtic through and through. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 18:18:09 GMT -5
Rozier is like a starting pitcher who sucks as a relief guy, like Perez. His value is in what he does over 30 minutes, not 10-15.
I'd do it for just a future first from the Bulls. They send Hornets an expiring deal, so they get out of Rozier's contract. We get Rozier and filler. I'd love Lauri, I just don't see why they would do that.
Something like Young to Hornets, Walker to Bulls, Rozier, Porter Jr and first to Celtics.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 19:24:30 GMT -5
Cs have traded Poirier to OKC for a top 55 protected 2nd (ie not likely to convey)
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2020 19:31:27 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2020 19:32:55 GMT -5
Cs have traded Poirier to OKC for a top 55 protected 2nd (ie not likely to convey) They also sent money which is likely the amount of his salary but got a trade exception for 2.5m |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2020 19:36:36 GMT -5
So we now can use the full mid-level right? That could be huge. What the hard cap number? Technically we can use it yet. Hayward's hold is on the books. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 19:39:00 GMT -5
Are we thinking Kanter and Semi to Grizz to create another decent sized exception? That would certainly look better if they used it to get another player.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 19, 2020 19:42:05 GMT -5
Cs have traded Poirier to OKC for a top 55 protected 2nd (ie not likely to convey) 🙄 |
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Post by philarhody on Nov 19, 2020 19:47:26 GMT -5
Does this mean we get to keep Desmond Bane? ;-) |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2020 19:58:17 GMT -5
Does this mean we get to keep Desmond Bane? ;-) It means the option is still there 😏 |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2020 20:23:49 GMT -5
Now you guys are getting my hopes up and it's highly unlikely. Yet that would be awesome.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 0:19:24 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 0:26:46 GMT -5
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 20, 2020 2:41:17 GMT -5
Waters is on a 2 way, and the 2nd round pick is a stash away not sure how either of those effect the 15 roster spots.
Semi is gone with redundancy with Grant Williams.
Jevonte is cheap with upside so I think he'll be on the roster.
Kanter likely opts out, more $ out there for him somewhere and I believe VP was traded last night.
Our biggest bigs right now are DT and RW with GW as back-up aka it's thin, and we now have 5 lottery picks and more at Wings, so the depth is there to trade Hayward and get a big, Myles Turner. I think the delay to make a decision is the negotiating part of a sign and trade.
Im very surprised they brought Semi back for the reason I already stated, although if it's to package him in a deal then that would make sense. Kanter I'm glad is back as he had alot of success albeit in a limited role. Considering it's the weak link in the roster I'm glad he opted back in. I assumed he'd get more elsewhere but that assumption appears wrong.
Waters and Fall remain in 2-way contracts assumed.
If Hayward walks without a sign and trade even with an increase in the mid-level trade exception I don't see a route where the team is stronger.
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Post by ianrs on Nov 20, 2020 5:50:27 GMT -5
Very disappointed in our draft and our general decision making the past couple years, with the exception of drafting Grant Williams, who will be an NBA rotation staple and probably have some legitimately good years in his prime. I'm hopeful for Romeo but very scared that missing another half season with injury is going to set him back too much to ever make an impact for us.
Danny taking a backup PG makes no sense because now either Carsen or Tremont is gone. I don't think Carsen is an NBA player and I think Tremont is better than both Pritchard and Carsen, so no idea what we are doing. I really hope Pritchard proves me wrong.
Similarly, I'm a little pessimistic on Nesmith, who I think is pretty one dimensional and certainly not a 50 percent 3 point shooter (very small sample size). At the same time, he's an athlete who could improve in a lot of ways, and we could use a cutter like him. Just liked other values later who could create gravity in different ways; I thought Maxey would have been legitimately perfect for us. A Maxey - Xavier Tillman draft would have made a lot more sense to me, to be honest - get a legitimate backup guard to develop behind Kemba, and a big who is the heir to Theis. Not to mention Malachi Flynn was available, who in my eyes is better than Pritchard in all facets and got scooped up by an extremely good developmental program in Toronto. I have a bad feeling, on top of potentially losing Hayward, that this was a lost opportunity for our FO due to roster mismanagement and poor player evaluation. I hope I'm very wrong and that Pritchard and Nesmith are better than I expect.
The Bucks, 76ers, Lakers are all getting much better; Morey turned around the Sixers franchise in a span of like 2 days.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2020 6:39:18 GMT -5
Yes that’s completely nuts... Also, I’m kind of surprised that OKC dealt him for something that has a decent chance of being 2 second round picks. Oubre sort of had a breakout year last year and if his 3 point shooting continued in the same direction, he likely would have netted them a first at the deadline... maybe they just wanted to get rid of the salary and this trade allowed them not to take any back. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 20, 2020 8:47:47 GMT -5
TBC Waters and Fall are not currently on 2-Way deals. They are free agents (restricted) who have been given a qualifying offer (which would be a 2-way deal).
However, like other RFAs, they still have to work out deals with Boston which may or may not be 2-ways.
I would think it's likely that Fall only gets another 2-way. But I could see Waters needing a standard contract to keep him from signing with another team (I believe the matching rules still apply).
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