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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2020 9:47:31 GMT -5
TBC Waters and Fall are not currently on 2-Way deals. They are free agents (restricted) who have been given a qualifying offer (which would be a 2-way deal). However, like other RFAs, they still have to work out deals with Boston which may or may not be 2-ways. I would think it's likely that Fall only gets another 2-way. But I could see Waters needing a standard contract to keep him from signing with another team (I believe the matching rules still apply). Yup and I agree there there’s no way Waters signs another 2 way deal. Will be interesting to see if they sign any undrafted free agents. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 20, 2020 10:16:10 GMT -5
TBC Waters and Fall are not currently on 2-Way deals. They are free agents (restricted) who have been given a qualifying offer (which would be a 2-way deal). However, like other RFAs, they still have to work out deals with Boston which may or may not be 2-ways. I would think it's likely that Fall only gets another 2-way. But I could see Waters needing a standard contract to keep him from signing with another team (I believe the matching rules still apply). Yup and I agree there there’s no way Waters signs another 2 way deal. Will be interesting to see if they sign any undrafted free agents. They will definitely sign some Exhibit 10 guys who might have an outside shot of getting 1 of the 2 2-Way spots. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 20, 2020 10:17:04 GMT -5
I assume those work the same despite the abbreviated pre-season.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2020 12:13:00 GMT -5
UMass... it’s happening... 🤣😂🤣  |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 13:03:55 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it announced. I can think of a few reasons why it hasn't been announced yet. Yet it does make perfect sense with Hayward likely leaving. Yet they knew that at the draft and made the deal. So I'm going with they have a ton of talks going and that deal depends on that crap.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 13:13:57 GMT -5
Yes that’s completely nuts... Also, I’m kind of surprised that OKC dealt him for something that has a decent chance of being 2 second round picks. Oubre sort of had a breakout year last year and if his 3 point shooting continued in the same direction, he likely would have netted them a first at the deadline... maybe they just wanted to get rid of the salary and this trade allowed them not to take any back. It's hard to get first round picks at the trade deadline now a days. I've always seen Oubre as an inefficient Gunner. People seem to love the 2021 draft, yet they say that every year. So I'm not really surprised. That team seems to be gunning for a top pick and collect every asset they can get. I'm more surprised the Warriors would add him with that being the cost. I don't see a title contender unless Wiseman is a monster as a rookie. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2020 14:01:30 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it announced. I can think of a few reasons why it hasn't been announced yet. Yet it does make perfect sense with Hayward likely leaving. Yet they knew that at the draft and made the deal. So I'm going with they have a ton of talks going and that deal depends on that crap. I’m just messing with you - he’s getting dealt to Memphis |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 14:04:20 GMT -5
TBC Waters and Fall are not currently on 2-Way deals. They are free agents (restricted) who have been given a qualifying offer (which would be a 2-way deal). However, like other RFAs, they still have to work out deals with Boston which may or may not be 2-ways. I would think it's likely that Fall only gets another 2-way. But I could see Waters needing a standard contract to keep him from signing with another team (I believe the matching rules still apply). Yup and I agree there there’s no way Waters signs another 2 way deal. Will be interesting to see if they sign any undrafted free agents. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 14:12:36 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2020 15:39:51 GMT -5
One would think we’d find out Hayward’s future in a few hours right? Money should dry up as a rapid pace right at 6pm.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 20, 2020 15:45:07 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it announced. I can think of a few reasons why it hasn't been announced yet. Yet it does make perfect sense with Hayward likely leaving. Yet they knew that at the draft and made the deal. So I'm going with they have a ton of talks going and that deal depends on that crap. I’m just messing with you - he’s getting dealt to Memphis |
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Post by philarhody on Nov 20, 2020 15:49:03 GMT -5
Offloading Kanter and Poirier is big. I’m assuming the Celtics sign a decent free agent once Gordon is gone.
My guess? Christian Wood for four years at 52.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2020 15:53:33 GMT -5
Offloading Kanter and Poirier is big. I’m assuming the Celtics sign a decent free agent once Gordon is gone. My guess? Christian Wood for four years at 52. I can’t see the Celtics being able to sign Wood, but I’d be happy with that. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 16:07:47 GMT -5
Offloading Kanter and Poirier is big. I’m assuming the Celtics sign a decent free agent once Gordon is gone. My guess? Christian Wood for four years at 52. How do we give him 52 million? |
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Post by philarhody on Nov 20, 2020 16:10:28 GMT -5
Offloading Kanter and Poirier is big. I’m assuming the Celtics sign a decent free agent once Gordon is gone. My guess? Christian Wood for four years at 52. I can’t see the Celtics being able to sign Wood, but I’d be happy with that. Yeah I don’t know all the details of the financials, but I would assume that once Poirier, Kanter, and Hayward are off the books, they would have enough. And that’s not even taking into account sign and trades. You might see teams that “don’t have cap Space” suddenly offer 18 million a year to Davis Bertans. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 16:10:37 GMT -5
One would think we’d find out Hayward’s future in a few hours right? Money should dry up as a rapid pace right at 6pm. If he's signing with Knicks or Hawks you'd think it would happen fast. If it doesn't, you'd think he's working on sign and trade options. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2020 16:15:19 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2020 16:16:22 GMT -5
Offloading Kanter and Poirier is big. I’m assuming the Celtics sign a decent free agent once Gordon is gone. My guess? Christian Wood for four years at 52. How do we give him 52 million? Can you combine trade exceptions together with salary to match in trades? They now have 7.5m in trade exceptions. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 16:20:13 GMT -5
How do we give him 52 million? Can you combine trade exceptions together with salary to match in trades? They now have 7.5m in trade exceptions. I don't think so and you can't combine them with players either unless it's the same trade and that boat is already gone. So it's a 2.5 player or 5 million player only. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 16:22:27 GMT -5
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Post by philarhody on Nov 20, 2020 16:29:05 GMT -5
That’s what I mean when I say not including sign and trades. But if Gordon walks, your over 13 under the hard cap, no? Then you could theoretically get Wood and something else. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 16:37:43 GMT -5
That’s what I mean when I say not including sign and trades. But if Gordon walks, your over 13 under the hard cap, no? Then you could theoretically get Wood and something else. No. A quick rounded up addition has us at 103 million and that's waiving all cap holds and players like Semi, Green, Waters, Falls etc. No Hayward just gives you full mid-level, Bi annual to spend without going over tax line. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 16:38:59 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2020 16:51:10 GMT -5
Training camps start December 1st. So you'd expect this gets crazy right? You can't take weeks to think things over.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 20, 2020 16:56:01 GMT -5
So if I understand this correctly, if Gordon signs with Atlanta on a S&T, Boston will get a significant trade exception (not sure exactly how big but maybe big enough for Wood??). Then we can do a Sign-and-Trade for Wood where we take him into that exception.
Why these other moves are critical for that is because if Boston RECEIVES a player via S&T, they become hard capped at 139M. These other moves give Boston a little more wiggle room to do something like this AND use an exception without being right up against the hard cap.
Also, been wondering why Atlanta would do something like this when they have room to just sign him outright. Where a S&T helps is that Boston can give him larger raises (might be like 8% vs another team only 5%? - but others might have the specifics).
So some of it DOES make some sense. Whether it will happen or whether BRobb and others are wrong (and other writers are correct) and Boston WOULD be interested in Turner remains to be seen. Wonder how much of this is already in motion and ready to just go at 6pm.
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