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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2020 14:06:40 GMT -5
Does it? Maybe Hayward just took the biggest offer or the Pacers weren't offering anything close to that salary wise. Hayward opted out for this reason, he gets to pick where he goes, not Danny. The reports are that Hayward’s agents thought the deal with Indy was done but Celtics didn’t agree to trade terms. Evan Massey has a much different take. Celtics didn't want to ship Hayward to Pacers unless they could destroy the roster. Didn't want to help create a good team they had to face in playoffs. That's more Danny messed up than he doesn't like Turner. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2020 14:08:36 GMT -5
The Hornets have two options if it's a sign and trade that doesn't include another team. Batum or Rozier/Zeller plus. So they likely try three team trades or the Hornets just dump a guy like Rozier. Horrible move for the Hornets BTW. They need to rebuild. Or they could trade us Monk and Bridges I don't see how that works. It's either cap space or trade rules. Yet I still don't get the Walker Rozier trade, so who knows. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 14:15:15 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 14:16:56 GMT -5
Or they could trade us Monk and Bridges I don't see how that works. It's either cap space or trade rules. Yet I still don't get the Walker Rozier trade, so who knows. I read it was an option but I’m not going to bet on it |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 14:17:39 GMT -5
The reports are that Hayward’s agents thought the deal with Indy was done but Celtics didn’t agree to trade terms. Evan Massey has a much different take. Celtics didn't want to ship Hayward to Pacers unless they could destroy the roster. Didn't want to help create a good team they had to face in playoffs. That's more Danny messed up than he doesn't like Turner. If you thought a guy was good enough you wouldn’t worry about that. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 14:20:58 GMT -5
They are waiving Batum... 9m dead cap for 3 years... wowza
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2020 14:26:04 GMT -5
Evan Massey has a much different take. Celtics didn't want to ship Hayward to Pacers unless they could destroy the roster. Didn't want to help create a good team they had to face in playoffs. That's more Danny messed up than he doesn't like Turner. If you thought a guy was good enough you wouldn’t worry about that. Good enough for what? That's a report on Danny's thinking, the best one I've seen from a trusted source. It wasn't he doesn't like Turner. Which looks like a huge blunder no? You think Joe Harris at 75 million is smart because they had no other options. Well we just lost Hayward for nothing. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 14:40:07 GMT -5
If you thought a guy was good enough you wouldn’t worry about that. Good enough for what? That's a report on Danny's thinking, the best one I've seen from a trusted source. It wasn't he doesn't like Turner. Which looks like a huge blunder no? You think Joe Harris at 75 million is smart because they had no other options. Well we just lost Hayward for nothing. IF DANNY THOUGHT TURNER WAS GOOD ENOUGH, he wouldn’t worry about destroying a roster of the 6th best team in the conference. So if that report is true that Danny wanted to destroy their roster that’s a reflection on what he thinks of Turner. Not sure how that’s even debatable. I would have dealt Hayward for Turner straight up. Also, I never said the Harris contract was smart nor did I say they had no other options. Said it was an overpay but I “get it” aka understand it. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 14:42:15 GMT -5
Actually i need to rethink that 6th best team comment above...
Milwaukee
Miami
Toronto
Boston
Philly
Brooklyn
Indy
Ok 6th or 7th...
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 14:49:14 GMT -5
By the way all that is assuming the “credible” reports were true that Hayward would have gone to Indy yesterday had Boston played ball. You can’t have it both ways that:
1. Danny wanted to destroy Indy that’s why he didn’t just accept Turner
And
2. Danny had no choice because he was going to go to Charlotte for the most money
Either Indy was never on the table or it was and Danny didn’t think highly enough of Turner to pull the trigger. Danny not thinking highly enough of Turner would be the fuck up.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 14:56:50 GMT -5
Well now where do they go?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2020 14:57:11 GMT -5
Good enough for what? That's a report on Danny's thinking, the best one I've seen from a trusted source. It wasn't he doesn't like Turner. Which looks like a huge blunder no? You think Joe Harris at 75 million is smart because they had no other options. Well we just lost Hayward for nothing. IF DANNY THOUGHT TURNER WAS GOOD ENOUGH, he wouldn’t worry about destroying a roster of the 6th best team in the conference. So if that report is true that Danny wanted to destroy their roster that’s a reflection on what he thinks of Turner. Not sure how that’s even debatable. I would have dealt Hayward for Turner straight up. Also, I never said the Harris contract was smart nor did I say they had no other options. Said it was an overpay but I “get it” aka understand it. Again good enough for what? Per Massey Danny basically wanted no part of Hayward to Pacers unless he destroyed the team. Now maybe you don't agree with that, yet that's the report from a trusted source on Danny's thought process. Do you have a source saying Turner wasn't good enough for Danny to trade for? We've actually seen the opposite. That Danny wanted him, yet he wanted more. Which makes total sense, as Hayward was the better player. This screams of Danny thinking he had more leverage than he did. Thinking Hayward wouldn't want to go to a crappy team. Danny dragged his feet and Haywards agents got MJ to make another stupid move. Everything we have right now says a bunch about Danny and nothing about Turner. He's getting roasted alive on twitter for being stupid. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2020 15:04:20 GMT -5
This kinda highlights an issue with Danny. He's so focused on making great trades, that he misses out on good ones.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 21, 2020 15:22:02 GMT -5
Well, F*CK.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 15:25:18 GMT -5
IF DANNY THOUGHT TURNER WAS GOOD ENOUGH, he wouldn’t worry about destroying a roster of the 6th best team in the conference. So if that report is true that Danny wanted to destroy their roster that’s a reflection on what he thinks of Turner. Not sure how that’s even debatable. I would have dealt Hayward for Turner straight up. Also, I never said the Harris contract was smart nor did I say they had no other options. Said it was an overpay but I “get it” aka understand it. Again good enough for what? Per Massey Danny basically wanted no part of Hayward to Pacers unless he destroyed the team. Now maybe you don't agree with that, yet that's the report from a trusted source on Danny's thought process. Do you have a source saying Turner wasn't good enough for Danny to trade for? We've actually seen the opposite. That Danny wanted him, yet he wanted more. Which makes total sense, as Hayward was the better player. This screams of Danny thinking he had more leverage than he did. Thinking Hayward wouldn't want to go to a crappy team. Danny dragged his feet and Haywards agents got MJ to make another stupid move. Everything we have right now says a bunch about Danny and nothing about Turner. He's getting roasted alive on twitter for being stupid. You don’t need a source - it says it right there and i have answered your question already. Question: good enough for what? Answer: good enough to take back in a trade from the 7th best team in the conference. If Danny is worried about the Pacers plus Hayward minus Turner then he doesn’t think much of Turner. It means Turner was the second piece in the trade not the primary one. I don’t need a source to tell me that - it’s plain as day... assuming that’s the scenario which I’m not sure it is |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 15:26:53 GMT -5
This kinda highlights an issue with Danny. He's so focused on making great trades, that he misses out on good ones. So your assumption is that if the Celtics wanted to make it happen then Hayward would be in Indy. You don’t believe Hayward just went highest bidder and that was Charlotte? I ask because, if Hayward simply went highest bidder then Danny didn’t do anything wrong. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2020 15:36:01 GMT -5
This kinda highlights an issue with Danny. He's so focused on making great trades, that he misses out on good ones. So your assumption is that if the Celtics wanted to make it happen then Hayward would be in Indy. You don’t believe Hayward just went highest bidder and that was Charlotte? I ask because, if Hayward simply went highest bidder then Danny didn’t do anything wrong. From the reports we have. Hayward wanted Pacers. Danny dragged feet, wanted some HR offer. So Haywards agent, not wanting to lose leverage changed course and bam he's a Hornet. Maybe that's wrong, yet at this second that seems to be the case. Danny seems to have missed the memo that things will move crazy quick this off-season. He didn't have time to dick around. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2020 15:38:43 GMT -5
Green got two years 15 million from Denver. If you want shooting from a big, your basically down to Ibaka. Who would be great, yet he's not the defender he was and I really don't want him on a four year deal.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 15:43:33 GMT -5
Green got two years 15 million from Denver. If you want shooting from a big, your basically down to Ibaka. Who would be great, yet he's not the defender he was and I really don't want him on a four year deal. It’s looking like Millsap is the target for a big |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 15:45:10 GMT -5
So your assumption is that if the Celtics wanted to make it happen then Hayward would be in Indy. You don’t believe Hayward just went highest bidder and that was Charlotte? I ask because, if Hayward simply went highest bidder then Danny didn’t do anything wrong. From the reports we have. Hayward wanted Pacers. Danny dragged feet, wanted some HR offer. So Haywards agent, not wanting to lose leverage changed course and bam he's a Hornet. Maybe that's wrong, yet at this second that seems to be the case. Danny seems to have missed the memo that things will move crazy quick this off-season. He didn't have time to dick around. If this is the case then Danny screwed up because it was underwhelmed by Turner. Doesn’t mean he thinks he’s a bad player just doesn’t like him enough to pull the trigger which I disagree with |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2020 15:52:10 GMT -5
Again good enough for what? Per Massey Danny basically wanted no part of Hayward to Pacers unless he destroyed the team. Now maybe you don't agree with that, yet that's the report from a trusted source on Danny's thought process. Do you have a source saying Turner wasn't good enough for Danny to trade for? We've actually seen the opposite. That Danny wanted him, yet he wanted more. Which makes total sense, as Hayward was the better player. This screams of Danny thinking he had more leverage than he did. Thinking Hayward wouldn't want to go to a crappy team. Danny dragged his feet and Haywards agents got MJ to make another stupid move. Everything we have right now says a bunch about Danny and nothing about Turner. He's getting roasted alive on twitter for being stupid. You don’t need a source - it says it right there and i have answered your question already. Question: good enough for what? Answer: good enough to take back in a trade from the 7th best team in the conference. If Danny is worried about the Pacers plus Hayward minus Turner then he doesn’t think much of Turner. It means Turner was the second piece in the trade not the primary one. I don’t need a source to tell me that - it’s plain as day... assuming that’s the scenario which I’m not sure it is That's just your assumptions RJP, there are no reports saying that. You think it's black and white, yet we have reports saying something else. Danny not wanting Hayward on the Pacers makes sense. That team has a bunch of talent if they can stay healthy. It solves their log jam of having two centers and makes them a lot better. I said day one I thought Hayward was the better player, just Turner was a better fit. So I don't blame Danny for asking for more. We don't even know if Danny knew what was going on or he was just blindsided by this. Maybe your right, yet without that how are you acting like it's clear as day? You are acting like Danny not jumping on the first offer means he doesn't like Turner and that's crazy. It only says he felt Hayward was worth more and that makes 100% sense. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 16:01:06 GMT -5
You don’t need a source - it says it right there and i have answered your question already. Question: good enough for what? Answer: good enough to take back in a trade from the 7th best team in the conference. If Danny is worried about the Pacers plus Hayward minus Turner then he doesn’t think much of Turner. It means Turner was the second piece in the trade not the primary one. I don’t need a source to tell me that - it’s plain as day... assuming that’s the scenario which I’m not sure it is That's just your assumptions RJP, there are no reports saying that. You think it's black and white, yet we have reports saying something else. Danny not wanting Hayward on the Pacers makes sense. That team has a bunch of talent if they can stay healthy. It solves their log jam of having two centers and makes them a lot better. I said day one I thought Hayward was the better player, just Turner was a better fit. So I don't blame Danny for asking for more. We don't even know if Danny knew what was going on or he was just blindsided by this. Maybe your right, yet without that how are you acting like it's clear as day? You are acting like Danny not jumping on the first offer means he doesn't like Turner and that's crazy. It only says he felt Hayward was worth more and that makes 100% sense. I said he doesn’t like Turner ENOUGH. That’s not a controversial statement. And before you go find a post where I didn’t have the word enough in it / these are blog posts - I’ve explained the he doesn’t like him enough part a bunch of times so even if that post exists - save it |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2020 16:03:34 GMT -5
Wonder if there’s a chance the Celtics sign Batum now
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2020 16:05:16 GMT -5
Millsap is old and just posted his worst defensive ratings of his career. He's an okay piece, yet wow. Danny seems to really have dropped the ball here.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2020 16:14:30 GMT -5
I think the question was always did Danny like/want Turner. Never that Turner was better or that he liked him enough to just jump on him the second he was offered like he was getting the best player type crap. Especially when the one deal had us doing a 2 for 1 that included a player that we have no use for.
We don't even know if Haywards agent gave Danny a chance to make that deal before taking the Hornets offer. For all we know once the Hornets made that offer it was over.
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