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Post by cdj on Nov 28, 2020 17:01:10 GMT -5
Do me a favor and google “Tristan Thompson defense”, read the miles of content there calling him a good defender, then get back to me. Cavs defense without Drummond- 116 Bad but still better than the defense without Thompson. All the other guys you listed being off the court don’t impact their team defense nearly as much as Thompson. Check the numbers for yourself (it’s like 111 for Love, 116 for Henson, and 114 for Nance). Wanna know why? Because Thompson is a good defender The Cavs suffer more without him on the floor than anybody else and there is a reason why people who cover the team call him their defensive MVP You’re making it sound like I’m calling him an all-nba guy, I’m not. He’s just really good on that end of the floor If time lord was as good of a defender as you think he is because he blocks shots then his minutes would reflect that...they do not. Want to know why? Because he takes himself out of position A LOT. Acting like Kevin love is a better defender than him is brain dead. And I mean that with all due respect Their defense is at its best when Love is off the court Hey I mean the Cavs defense is BY FAR at its worst without Thompson on the floor but yeah he’s the worst defender of their 5 bigs, it’s a great point. His team D is a strength. that’s why the entire team falls apart to an all time bad 120 without him So in your opinion we shouldn't pay attention to defensive ratings? It's the difference in ratings that matter to you? You get Drummond had a much bigger difference right? You get the off court 116 rating with Drummond is because Thompson was on the bench right? Here's why that's crazy, it's not the same people. When your starters go to the bench it's your bench players playing. The majority of teams have that same effect, you know because you start your best players. All your saying with that stat is that Thompson is better than the backups on the Cavs. Well yeah that's a given. The fact is Drummond did a lot better on D than Thompson and I don't think he's some elite guy. Yet he blocks shots, protects the rim in a way Thompson doesn't. Hence why he limits scoring and has a much better defensive rating. You mean like a crazy raw guy that missed half a year earning rotation minutes in the playoffs? Yeah Robert Williams did that and he's just scratching the surface of his ability. Get back at me when Thompson comes close to Robert Williams defensive numbers. Numbers don't lie, they are much better most of the time than watching games where you tend to remember only certain things. Are there articles that use actually stats to make a case he might have seen the best defensive center in the league? I posted one about Turner a page back with actual stats to back up my claims. Points per possession in the post, pick and role, etc. If he's "really good" on that end overall why doesn't the numbers show it? Maybe because he's really good at one thing and not overall? Call it the Avery Bradley situation. He was a monster on ball defender, he also had a bunch of weaknesses. Don't forget we have a bunch of data from him on those good Cavs teams. I'm not just looking at his data on crappy teams We'll find out soon enough. If he's starting playing 25-30 minutes a night or is a match up guy against low post players with Theis starting. My issue was never Thompson isn't good on D. It's using the full mid-level on a big who does best against low post scorers and basically has no offensive game. This isn't 20-30 years ago, there are only a few of those guys. We needed a big that can score and play D, ideally a big that can space the floor. That guy was Turner. A guy like Whiteside took the veteran minimum. He's made an all defensive team and go look at his defensive ratings. Whiteside is the laziest, most immature clown in the league, and it’s well-established. That’s why he got minimum. He’s radioactive. And I don’t know why you would complain about Thompson at 9 but then be willing to cap the teams ceiling and kill their flexibility over the next 3 years for a guy who gets bullied out of games by their biggest rival (and other talented bigs, nonstop). I mean you yourself say you like to go by win shares- Thompson has the 2nd highest DWS on the team, behind Kevin love (who I think we both know is the inferior defender). You act like all he can do is guard plodding bigs when he held curry to 9-26 shooting when switched on him in the biggest moments of the season. I’m sorry the team craters without Thompson on the court, That’s just a fact. Deny all you want. Use your 8 game sample sizes where the numbers aren’t even on your side if you must. He started the heavy majority (was like 52 of 57 or something) of the games for the Cavs last year when playing and he played big minutes. And you definitely know better than every other expert that watches that team or evaluates talent. In my opinion Theis will be the starter and I think Theis is a better player than both TT and Turner for what this teams needs are. I think Thompson gets 20-25 a night and I bet he will impactful in those minutes. Wait and see. Until then yeah sure Turner is an all star, time lord is an elite defender and that’s why he barely plays, and Thompson is worse than Kevin love defensively or whatever nonsense you want to spew. Sure thing, I agree *thumbs up*. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 28, 2020 17:02:43 GMT -5
The chaos this board needs is for, at some point between now and this time next year, Danny uses the newly acquired TPE to trade for . . . Myles Turner.
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Post by cdj on Nov 28, 2020 17:04:53 GMT -5
The chaos this board needs is for, at some point between now and this time next year, Danny uses the newly acquired TPE to trade for . . . Myles Turner. He wants a good player for 18 mill tho, not Milquetoast Myles I’d much rather pay our current center rotation less than what Milquetoast Myles makes. I like guys that compete when faced with adversity. Danny clearly does too. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 28, 2020 17:51:20 GMT -5
First they are being stupid, but I’m not so sure they should be clearing cap space. Cap space for a team like them is less valuable as you likely aren’t attracting big free agents HOWEVER, if you aren’t clearing space then you want tradable contracts so you can make deals for guys that you couldn’t otherwise sign. And they aren’t really signing tradable contracts. By clearing space I mean in a year or two, not taking on four year deals. They should be acting like the Thunder if your taking on contract's. You do it for assets, young players and picks. Not trying to win. They have two great contracts to trade in Zeller and Batum. They almost cleared up the last mess and are already doing it again. Yet what do I know. I don't know that it would be terrible for a team to learn and be led by Hayward and Horford for a season or two. The hardest thing to establish in the NBA is a good culture and maybe thats why MJ has always wanted GH. Horford can be unloaded at some point to a team that thinks their close so I think they can go into this thinking they won't be on the hook for the extra bad year. I think Horford will actually be pretty good in the future on the right team but never worth his contract for sure. And GH is a long shot to be worth his. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 29, 2020 7:25:54 GMT -5
By clearing space I mean in a year or two, not taking on four year deals. They should be acting like the Thunder if your taking on contract's. You do it for assets, young players and picks. Not trying to win. They have two great contracts to trade in Zeller and Batum. They almost cleared up the last mess and are already doing it again. Yet what do I know. I don't know that it would be terrible for a team to learn and be led by Hayward and Horford for a season or two. The hardest thing to establish in the NBA is a good culture and maybe thats why MJ has always wanted GH. Horford can be unloaded at some point to a team that thinks their close so I think they can go into this thinking they won't be on the hook for the extra bad year. I think Horford will actually be pretty good in the future on the right team but never worth his contract for sure. And GH is a long shot to be worth his. I don’t disagree with this but I’m not sure they have enough young talent to be molded. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 29, 2020 7:37:45 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Nov 29, 2020 9:05:33 GMT -5
Yeah like I’ve said why on Earth would they want to kill their ceiling + flexibility for 3 years for Milquetoast Myles. That has zero appeal to me at all. It’s pretty obvious why Danny didn’t do the trade
Id much rather use a trade exception on a player actually worth his money that would represent a championship-level upgrade, not drop 18 milly on a guy who wakes up trembling and pissing his pants on days where he’s supposed to face the 76ers
This team with Myles Turner = not championship level. That Gordon Hayward money needs to be spent on a major impact player. Maybe at the deadline but more likely next offseason
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 29, 2020 9:12:11 GMT -5
I think we have our “major impact players” that can win a chip. I think they need to build around Tatum and Brown with the right guys.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 29, 2020 12:12:30 GMT -5
I think we have our “major impact players” that can win a chip. I think they need to build around Tatum and Brown with the right guys. Right. They needed an upgrade at the big man position and scoring off the bench. Losing Hayward and getting a marginal upgrade over Theis in TT, I'm not sure Danny addressed either of those needs. It's frustrating because we're always on the verge. Can't wait for the lack of depth and inside scoring to be exposed during the season and for the fans to blame Stevens. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 29, 2020 14:22:08 GMT -5
Hornets are cutting Batum now, per Shams.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 29, 2020 14:31:54 GMT -5
Absolutely baffling that the teams couldn’t work something out.
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Post by cdj on Nov 29, 2020 14:41:41 GMT -5
Absolutely baffling that the teams couldn’t work something out. Not necessarily the case quite yet Hornets are dumb to stretch Batum though, they’re essentially doing $40 mil for Hayward |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 29, 2020 14:49:02 GMT -5
Just means they couldn't get a 3rd team interested.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 29, 2020 15:17:55 GMT -5
That cuts off for subscribers. Yet I sure don't see anything about the reports with direct quotes from Danny and Haywards agent. Which tell a completely different story. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 29, 2020 15:22:15 GMT -5
Just send the picks from the Grizz and end this. That's a very solid move.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 29, 2020 15:23:56 GMT -5
Congrats to Thompson becoming a US citizen! Just keep the Jenner sister from Tatum and Brown lol.🤣
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 29, 2020 15:39:05 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 29, 2020 15:41:51 GMT -5
 I think it’s the largest trade exception in league history |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 29, 2020 15:46:42 GMT -5
I think we have our “major impact players” that can win a chip. I think they need to build around Tatum and Brown with the right guys. Right. They needed an upgrade at the big man position and scoring off the bench. Losing Hayward and getting a marginal upgrade over Theis in TT, I'm not sure Danny addressed either of those needs. It's frustrating because we're always on the verge. Can't wait for the lack of depth and inside scoring to be exposed during the season and for the fans to blame Stevens. Shouldn't we expect that both Theis and R Williams will show some progress this year and IMO Theis wasn't bad last year. TT is also enough of an upgrade over Kanter such that it improves both the 1st and the second units. And if you consider G Williams a big then that should be a decent group. Bench scoring and someone who can snipe will help the J's out opening things up a bit offensively. The 2nd unit needs this years picks to contribute a lot. My biggest concern is Kemba's arthritic knee. He has had a lot of time off and yet he isn't close to 100%, he may never be 100% again. That would be the straw that breaks the C's back and be an incredible blow considering the way the other 3 big FA acquisitions have turned out. Horford, Kyrie, Hayward and now more likely than not Kemba will be another bad investment with no return. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 29, 2020 15:59:36 GMT -5
Question for some of you more dedicated fans. What type of player and or who could the C's realistically trade for with this exception? I know it would be spitballing but I want to have something to be optimistic and excited about.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Nov 29, 2020 16:24:35 GMT -5
Question for some of you more dedicated fans. What type of player and or who could the C's realistically trade for with this exception? I know it would be spitballing but I want to have something to be optimistic and excited about. I believe this is where the Tristan Thompson contract becomes useful. I think if the Celtics combine his salary with the trade exception, they could get a max salary player. Unless I'm wrong and the Celtics can't combine a salary with a trade exception. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 29, 2020 16:26:24 GMT -5
Question for some of you more dedicated fans. What type of player and or who could the C's realistically trade for with this exception? I know it would be spitballing but I want to have something to be optimistic and excited about. I believe this is where the Tristan Thompson contract becomes useful. I think if the Celtics combine his salary with the trade exception, they could get a max salary player. Unless I'm wrong and the Celtics can't combine a salary with a trade exception. You can't do that. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 29, 2020 16:28:42 GMT -5
There are a million ways, yet let's say sign and trade for Gobert.
You can't combine players with it, you can't sign free agents with it. You can split it up and do sign and trades.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 29, 2020 16:36:09 GMT -5
Tough part is what assets do you give up to actually use the exception?
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Nov 29, 2020 16:39:29 GMT -5
I'm sorry then. NBA CBA is confusing. Here's the list of players you can get for just the player exception then. The most intriguing name is obviously Giannis but you're not getting him for the trade exception (maybe sign and trade)- hoopshype.com/salaries/players/Jrue Holliday, Vucevic, Oladipo, Buddy Hield, and Julias Randal are all intriguing names on the list to use a exception on. |
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