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Post by costpet on Jun 23, 2020 19:41:38 GMT -5
I haven't heard of any plan if some players come down with the virus. They'll have to test before every game. Anyone who is positive will not be able to play. So, who takes their place? You can't play without a full squad. Do they have several AAA players on standby? Extra umpires? MLB has not presented a plan. They had better come up with something or else the season will just shut down. See you in the Spring.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 23, 2020 21:34:08 GMT -5
I haven't heard of any plan if some players come down with the virus. They'll have to test before every game. Anyone who is positive will not be able to play. So, who takes their place? You can't play without a full squad. Do they have several AAA players on standby? Extra umpires? MLB has not presented a plan. They had better come up with something or else the season will just shut down. See you in the Spring. No details yet but from the Globe, it looks like they have some sort of contingency plans.: Major League Baseball and its players came to an agreement to restart the 2020 regular season after the players agreed to demands set by the owners, including a July 1 report date for spring training.
The Players Association tweeted on Wednesday evening that “all remaining issues,” including the health and safety protocols, had been resolved.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 24, 2020 8:06:37 GMT -5
This is all so bizarre. I’ll take it, of course, but just weird. And the playoffs and World Series will have zero legitimacy. Unless the Sox win. Then it will be the greatest series evah!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 24, 2020 8:33:23 GMT -5
A 60 game schedule is going to be weird. Will there be trades? Any team can start off hot or cold. Hopefully Ryan Weber can have a 2.5 ERA with a xFIP of 5 in his limited action. Still glad Sale and the team decided to get the surgery and just punt on this pointless, bizarre season. Most of us knew he needed it and I think as soon as the season became a giant question mark they shut him down. With the rise in Coronavirus cases, I'm not even sure we'll be able to play into October. The Red Sox just need 1 game (I think) so that their luxury tax is reset for the following season.
It'll be interesting to see what Betts gets in free agency. He might opt for a 1-year deal and bet on himself again because I don't think there's going to be a ton of money floating around this next off-season. I can see Martinez not opting out now.
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Post by beavertontim on Jun 24, 2020 9:36:55 GMT -5
A 60 game schedule is going to be weird. Will there be trades? Any team can start off hot or cold. Hopefully Ryan Weber can have a 2.5 ERA with a xFIP of 5 in his limited action. Still glad Sale and the team decided to get the surgery and just punt on this pointless, bizarre season. Most of us knew he needed it and I think as soon as the season became a giant question mark they shut him down. With the rise in Coronavirus cases, I'm not even sure we'll be able to play into October. The Red Sox just need 1 game (I think) so that their luxury tax is reset for the following season. It'll be interesting to see what Betts gets in free agency. He might opt for a 1-year deal and bet on himself again because I don't think there's going to be a ton of money floating around this next off-season. I can see Martinez not opting out now. I think a lot of players will take one year deals this off season. With a new CBA and possibly and increase revenue split for the players it makes sense for most to sign short term deals. That said, Betts may be a special case. I could see baseball adapting a max contract rule like in hockey or basketball. The number could very well be less than what Betts could get in a deal.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 24, 2020 9:46:22 GMT -5
A 60 game schedule is going to be weird. Will there be trades? Any team can start off hot or cold. Hopefully Ryan Weber can have a 2.5 ERA with a xFIP of 5 in his limited action. Still glad Sale and the team decided to get the surgery and just punt on this pointless, bizarre season. Most of us knew he needed it and I think as soon as the season became a giant question mark they shut him down. With the rise in Coronavirus cases, I'm not even sure we'll be able to play into October. The Red Sox just need 1 game (I think) so that their luxury tax is reset for the following season. It'll be interesting to see what Betts gets in free agency. He might opt for a 1-year deal and bet on himself again because I don't think there's going to be a ton of money floating around this next off-season. I can see Martinez not opting out now. I think a lot of players will take one year deals this off season. With a new CBA and possibly and increase revenue split for the players it makes sense for most to sign short term deals. That said, Betts may be a special case. I could see baseball adapting a max contract rule like in hockey or basketball. The number could very well be less than what Betts could get in a deal. I don't find it very likely the MLBPA will allow a cap on players earning power. There would need to be some serious give back by the owners, such as opening their books to the players and sharing in revenues when they go above expectations.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 24, 2020 10:12:38 GMT -5
A 60 game schedule is going to be weird. Will there be trades? Any team can start off hot or cold. Hopefully Ryan Weber can have a 2.5 ERA with a xFIP of 5 in his limited action. Still glad Sale and the team decided to get the surgery and just punt on this pointless, bizarre season. Most of us knew he needed it and I think as soon as the season became a giant question mark they shut him down. With the rise in Coronavirus cases, I'm not even sure we'll be able to play into October. The Red Sox just need 1 game (I think) so that their luxury tax is reset for the following season. It'll be interesting to see what Betts gets in free agency. He might opt for a 1-year deal and bet on himself again because I don't think there's going to be a ton of money floating around this next off-season. I can see Martinez not opting out now. I believe the trading deadline comes with 27 games left, which is just under 1/2 the season. So interesting times for that as some teams will definitely play the sprint game to gain banners and a ring. May also be some great deals with control for teams who are under the luxury tax as the group of cheap owners wringing their hands about "losses" may look to drop even more payroll while they empty their cuts of the competitive balance and TV cash registers.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 24, 2020 11:03:36 GMT -5
So the player association turns down the owners offer and now gets much less. Unless it changes there is no expanded postseason for this year and next, no DH in 2021 for NL, no 25% of playoff revenue, no extra money from patches or microphones on players. They also turned down the 50-50 split which had a good chance of them making more money. We'll have to see how it plays out, yet right now it looks like a horrible job once again.
I keep hearing a ton of people talk about not wanting to limit the players earning power. It was mentioned as a reason why they turned down the 50-50 split because it in a way capped the players earnings. Yet I'm highly confused by that logic because when was the last time the players got more than 50%? What is the point of fighting to keep a system that is giving you less every year, so maybe one day you can make more? It sure seems like the superstar have all the power and it's hurting the rest of the players.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 24, 2020 11:06:31 GMT -5
At what point will the luxury tax be considered "reset"? Do they have to play 1 game. Finish the 60(doubt it)? Is it considered reset now that there is an agreement?
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Post by beavertontim on Jun 24, 2020 11:28:41 GMT -5
I think a lot of players will take one year deals this off season. With a new CBA and possibly and increase revenue split for the players it makes sense for most to sign short term deals. That said, Betts may be a special case. I could see baseball adapting a max contract rule like in hockey or basketball. The number could very well be less than what Betts could get in a deal. I don't find it very likely the MLBPA will allow a cap on players earning power. There would need to be some serious give back by the owners, such as opening their books to the players and sharing in revenues when they go above expectations. I think the cap on the higher wage earners is the only way beyond a max contract that the mid and lower earners get any earnings power back. I don't see a way when a team like BOston is spending 45% of the luxury cap on four players that there is really any other way. I also believe MLB will always pay out less to its players than any other sport. While MILB players get paid peanuts, when you combine these salaries, amatuer signing bonuses, player development costs, etc, MLB has costs built into their structure no other sport has. This money has to come from somewhere.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 24, 2020 11:32:37 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Jun 24, 2020 11:39:32 GMT -5
Glad we didn't wait until the trade deadline to trade Mookie ::ducks::
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Post by texs31 on Jun 24, 2020 12:03:50 GMT -5
At what point will the luxury tax be considered "reset"? Do they have to play 1 game. Finish the 60(doubt it)? Is it considered reset now that there is an agreement? Speier just said the season has to be completed.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 24, 2020 14:05:04 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jun 25, 2020 8:04:43 GMT -5
Glad we didn't wait until the trade deadline to trade Mookie ::ducks:: But now we can buy him back at "depressed prices" (according to all the "experts")!
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Post by mobaz on Jun 25, 2020 10:53:50 GMT -5
Glad we didn't wait until the trade deadline to trade Mookie ::ducks:: But now we can buy him back at "depressed prices" (according to all the "experts")! Only if the season both starts and ends. Otherwise, another year of budget penalty box. Ah well, maybe Verdugo will become what we expected Beni to be and that's good enough for now.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 26, 2020 7:25:35 GMT -5
If the season doesn't complete and the lux tax isn't reset, does that mean the Sox will be penalized in next year's draft ?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 26, 2020 7:38:28 GMT -5
An interesting wrinkle, players making less than $700,000 salary like Collin McHugh, will technically owe their teams money because of the advances they received. It's chump change so, I doubt if teams will try to collect, just interesting.
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Post by Gwell55 on Jun 26, 2020 9:29:01 GMT -5
I got a question I can't find an answer for ... Do the Red Sox pay Rusney Castillo his full 13.5 Million this year since there is no Minor league this year or do they just have to pay the AAA amount the other minor league players are receiving or a prorated amount as the MLB agreed to in the 60 day deal?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 26, 2020 10:58:59 GMT -5
If the season doesn't complete and the lux tax isn't reset, does that mean the Sox will be penalized in next year's draft ? They weren't penalized this year, so I'm not sure why they would next year. An interesting wrinkle, players making less than $700,000 salary like Collin McHugh, will technically owe their teams money because of the advances they received. It's chump change so, I doubt if teams will try to collect, just interesting. It was then reported this morning that teams will get reimbursed by MLB and MLBPA for players whose advances wind up being more than they make.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 26, 2020 11:02:41 GMT -5
I got a question I can't find an answer for ... Do the Red Sox pay Rusney Castillo his full 13.5 Million this year since there is no Minor league this year or do they just have to pay the AAA amount the other minor league players are receiving or a prorated amount as the MLB agreed to in the 60 day deal? I would presume he's getting pro-rated pay, but this is an interesting question. There's no way he's getting the full amount though, and I similarly can't see him getting the $400/week minor leaguers are getting because he's not on a minor league contract.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 26, 2020 11:50:33 GMT -5
So 16 of 302 nba players tested have tested positive, That’s 5 percent. At what number would mlb consider canceling the rest of the season 10? 15? 20?
Add. Obviously if an entire team gets it season will prob be cancelled.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 26, 2020 14:45:08 GMT -5
So 16 of 302 nba players tested have tested positive, That’s 5 percent. At what number would mlb consider canceling the rest of the season 10? 15? 20? Add. Obviously if an entire team gets it season will prob be cancelled. Would probably need to decimate a team. Based on the way they set it up, with a COVID-specific IL and with provisions for if a player does test positive during intake, they're expecting that some players will test positive. That sounds right. You'd basically need a locker room outbreak, I think. I'm speculating though. Another possibility would be a player having an extreme case (ventilator, etc.). That might shock the senses enough to change the way some in the game think. Of course, let's all hope like hell everyone stays safe.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 27, 2020 2:53:23 GMT -5
If the season doesn't complete and the lux tax isn't reset, does that mean the Sox will be penalized in next year's draft ? They weren't penalized this year, so I'm not sure why they would next year. An interesting wrinkle, players making less than $700,000 salary like Collin McHugh, will technically owe their teams money because of the advances they received. It's chump change so, I doubt if teams will try to collect, just interesting. It was then reported this morning that teams will get reimbursed by MLB and MLBPA for players whose advances wind up being more than they make. Don't the penalties increase for a third consecutive year ? Wasn't that the reasoning behing trying to get under the cap last offseason ?
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Post by cdj on Jun 27, 2020 6:37:09 GMT -5
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