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Post by manfred on Jul 26, 2020 13:42:50 GMT -5
Eovaldi is the only member of the opening starting staff who will still be on the staff in August.
As grim as this is, the joy I feel listening to Eck and Remy talk about the relative embarrassments of stumbles is priceless. I absolutely love those two. I can watch them call a 20-0 loss.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 26, 2020 13:43:28 GMT -5
This is bad boys. The Orioles are awful. What is going on ?? A pitching staff that is composed almost entirely reclamation projects?
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Post by kjkramer on Jul 26, 2020 13:46:45 GMT -5
Cant we get a look at some of the young promising guys over Martina and Weber? D.Hernandez and Mata when healthy. Shit... even look at Houck as a starter.... I just want to see the future arms now instead if this shit... let them get some seasoning with no fans for next year
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Post by cba82 on Jul 26, 2020 13:47:32 GMT -5
“I can watch them call a 20-0 loss.” — You’re likely to get your wish this season. Maybe next weekend vs. the Yankees.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 26, 2020 13:47:46 GMT -5
I was really hoping for a season in which our pitchers had a 5+ FIP and a 2.9 ERA.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 26, 2020 13:50:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't use adjusted ERA to pick my #1 starter. When Eovaldi is healthy he can be dominate, he just can't maintain it because he can't stay healthy. Nevermind in Wakes best seasons which are what really help his ERA he wasn't our #5 starter. I knew someone would say something like that but I think you have it backwards. In Wake's best seasons, he could dominate. He had two years of ERA-plus over 160. If you want to throw those two out as abberational, Ok. But even without those he had several other seaons just about right at Eo's best season, which was 114 in 2013 with only 106 IP. It's not worth arguing about. I think we agree this year's RS staff is horrific. We're going to see a lot of games over early. Do you prefer a pitcher with a whip of .982 or 1.278 ? That's Eovaldi's 2018 splits for Tampa and Red Sox. Yet his ERA plus is 97 vs 133. Basically in the year of the HR a few extra HRs killed his ERA in Tampa, yet I'll always take a lower whip. ERA is fairly useless to me, luck, defensive, opponents, etc can effect it. I'll take 2018 Eovaldi over Wakes best years. For me Wake was never that dominant and so many factors could effect his knuckle ball. I prefer the guy who throws heat for my top starter. That's just my opinion. Wakes best trait was eating innings for a few decades.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 26, 2020 13:52:32 GMT -5
This is not a surprise. We don't have Sale and we don't have E. Rod. We nave faced 3 soft tossers which we don't hit well off of. Milone was the exception. I think we are going to have to just hope we see some competitiveness this year, nothing more. We got caught up in the 1st game and we came down to earth real fast yesterday. This is going to be the season that we will have to rely on our offense. the pitching just isn't there.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2020 13:53:05 GMT -5
Brewer is the guy I'd like to see tried in the rotation.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 26, 2020 13:53:48 GMT -5
#FreeDombrowski
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Post by manfred on Jul 26, 2020 13:54:11 GMT -5
I knew someone would say something like that but I think you have it backwards. In Wake's best seasons, he could dominate. He had two years of ERA-plus over 160. If you want to throw those two out as abberational, Ok. But even without those he had several other seaons just about right at Eo's best season, which was 114 in 2013 with only 106 IP. It's not worth arguing about. I think we agree this year's RS staff is horrific. We're going to see a lot of games over early. Do you prefer a pitcher with a whip of .982 or 1.278 ? That's Eovaldi's 2018 splits for Tampa and Red Sox. Yet his ERA plus is 97 vs 133. Basically in the year of the HR a few extra HRs killed his ERA in Tampa, yet I'll always take a lower whip. ERA is fairly useless to me, luck, defensive, opponents, etc can effect it. I'll take 2018 Eovaldi over Wakes best years. For me Wake was never that dominant and so many factors could effect his knuckle ball. I prefer the guy who throws heat for my top starter. That's just my opinion. Wakes best trait was eating innings for a few decades. Can we agree a team that calls either one their #1 has a serious problem?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 26, 2020 13:54:34 GMT -5
After last year, I didn’t even want Weber on this team as a reliever. This is depressing that he is our number three starter. Just awful. Total tank job by ownership. Dombrowski believed in front line starting pitching. It was expensive, but successful. Some bad luck with Sale and ERod this year, but yeah....the tear down was brutal on the starting pitching. If they were going to trade Mookie, they should’ve resigned Porcello. The Sox F.O. is lucky there’s no fans allowed in the stadium. Who would pay for this crap?
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 26, 2020 13:58:10 GMT -5
In 2018, Sox down 6-1 in the 4th, you’d say, “They got em right where we want em.” Sadly this ain’t 2018.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 26, 2020 13:59:01 GMT -5
Over/under 20 on base hits by Rafi this year.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 26, 2020 13:59:39 GMT -5
In 2018, Sox down 6-1 in the 4th, you’d say, “They got em right where we want em.” Sadly this ain’t 2018. So true....that was an amazing...once in a lifetime year. I still smile when i think of it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 26, 2020 14:05:39 GMT -5
Do you prefer a pitcher with a whip of .982 or 1.278 ? That's Eovaldi's 2018 splits for Tampa and Red Sox. Yet his ERA plus is 97 vs 133. Basically in the year of the HR a few extra HRs killed his ERA in Tampa, yet I'll always take a lower whip. ERA is fairly useless to me, luck, defensive, opponents, etc can effect it. I'll take 2018 Eovaldi over Wakes best years. For me Wake was never that dominant and so many factors could effect his knuckle ball. I prefer the guy who throws heat for my top starter. That's just my opinion. Wakes best trait was eating innings for a few decades. Can we agree a team that calls either one their #1 has a serious problem? I think the problem is more the guys behind them no? Perez is a #6 starter for me and everyone else is below that, that's a bigger issue no? I could take 2018 Eovaldi or Wakes best years as my #1, if you had some actual decent starters behind them. It's not what you want, yet it's also not close to our big issue either.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 26, 2020 14:10:14 GMT -5
Home Run......let the comeback begin !!!
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 26, 2020 14:10:22 GMT -5
Pillaah!
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 26, 2020 14:15:36 GMT -5
Can Tim Hyers not shorten up Chavis’ swing?
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Post by cba82 on Jul 26, 2020 14:16:53 GMT -5
Can Tim Hyers not shorten up Chavis’ swing? Give me Steve Pearce, please.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 26, 2020 14:17:53 GMT -5
I knew someone would say something like that but I think you have it backwards. In Wake's best seasons, he could dominate. He had two years of ERA-plus over 160. If you want to throw those two out as abberational, Ok. But even without those he had several other seaons just about right at Eo's best season, which was 114 in 2013 with only 106 IP. It's not worth arguing about. I think we agree this year's RS staff is horrific. We're going to see a lot of games over early. Do you prefer a pitcher with a whip of .982 or 1.278 ? That's Eovaldi's 2018 splits for Tampa and Red Sox. Yet his ERA plus is 97 vs 133. Basically in the year of the HR a few extra HRs killed his ERA in Tampa, yet I'll always take a lower whip. ERA is fairly useless to me, luck, defensive, opponents, etc can effect it. I'll take 2018 Eovaldi over Wakes best years. For me Wake was never that dominant and so many factors could effect his knuckle ball. I prefer the guy who throws heat for my top starter. That's just my opinion. Wakes best trait was eating innings for a few decades. I'm definitely with you on preferring power to finesse. (Maybe we should see if we can set up a lunch with Chaim and convince him of this because he took us into the season with Perez, Weber and BJ in the rotation. ) But you've chosen Eo's best WHIP season to make a point. For their careers, they were basically the same. Wake was 1.35, as compared to 1.363 for Eo. And Wake did it for 19 seasons. Just the fact that we're having this conversation (which I am enjoying because you're a knowledgeable poster) shows how wretched this year's staff is.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 26, 2020 14:19:18 GMT -5
Do you prefer a pitcher with a whip of .982 or 1.278 ? That's Eovaldi's 2018 splits for Tampa and Red Sox. Yet his ERA plus is 97 vs 133. Basically in the year of the HR a few extra HRs killed his ERA in Tampa, yet I'll always take a lower whip. ERA is fairly useless to me, luck, defensive, opponents, etc can effect it. I'll take 2018 Eovaldi over Wakes best years. For me Wake was never that dominant and so many factors could effect his knuckle ball. I prefer the guy who throws heat for my top starter. That's just my opinion. Wakes best trait was eating innings for a few decades. Can we agree a team that calls either one their #1 has a serious problem? F Yes!!
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Post by incandenza on Jul 26, 2020 14:21:02 GMT -5
The guy who signed the ace with the giant waving red flag sticking out of his left shoulder who is now predictably out for a year+? And who blew a ton of money on Eovaldi? And traded away several pitching prospects? And screwed up the financial management of the team so bad that we lost Mookie and still have to put out this junkpile of a starting rotation?
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 26, 2020 14:21:51 GMT -5
Can Tim Hyers not shorten up Chavis’ swing? Chavis has got to be one of the easiest guys in the league to pitch to. throw it up it's a whiff, throw it down it's a whiff; sometimes throw it in the middle and it's still a whiff.
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Post by kjkramer on Jul 26, 2020 14:24:38 GMT -5
Where is Steve Pearce? Unsigned? Home?
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 26, 2020 14:25:00 GMT -5
Don’t run on my catcher!
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