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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 27, 2020 21:39:08 GMT -5
Nathan Eovaldi - Good I guess LH Martin Perez - Sucks RH Ryan Weber - Sucks RH Zack Godley - Cut from Tigers now #2 LH Matt Hall - Sucks
RH Brandon Workman - Great RH Matt Barnes - Average RH Ryan Brasier - Sucks RH Marcus Walden - Sucks RH Heath Hembree - Better than Barnes RH Austin Brice - Sucks RH Colten Brewer - Sucks LH Josh Osich opener - Sucks RH Phillips Valdez - Who? LH Jeffrey Springs - Sucks
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Post by manfred on Jul 27, 2020 21:48:39 GMT -5
On the bright side:
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 27, 2020 22:01:54 GMT -5
I love this post but disagree with it. We got to cheer a couple of HRs tonight and still lost, thereby not screwing up our chances of a top 3 pick. Bright side!! (As recently as Friday, I was posting about our chances of getting a top 10 pick. Then I posted about top 5. Four games into the season and I'm aroused thinking it could be top 3. RS baseball truly is magical.)
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 27, 2020 22:03:53 GMT -5
Umm doesn't he needs some time to get ready? He had Covid and was held out for a while just getting back what less than two weeks ago? I think you take it slow with him. I think he's good to go, I remember tweets about him putting on a show in batting practice. I'd rather see him justifiably struggle and work out the kinks, than watch Chavis whiff at pitch after pitch. Assuming the season completes, He needs six days off the roster to avoid using a year service time. True for any rookie anywhere.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 27, 2020 22:04:07 GMT -5
Looks like some guys opted out and forgot to tell anybody.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 27, 2020 22:07:22 GMT -5
This might be the worst sox pitching staff I've ever seen Unless there’s a 1930’s pitching rotation I know nothing about and you’re a dinosaur, I’d say your eyes aren’t deceiving you. That 2006 team had some pretty lousy numbers. Beckett’s era was over 5. David Wells was 4.98. Clement had an era over 6.60 (12 starts) and Kyle Snyder (10 starts) was over 6.00. Lenny Dinardo And Jason Johnson both started six games and had eras over 7. Schilling was really the only above average starter that year and his era was 3.97. That team had names (Lester, Schilling, Wells, Beckett, Clement), but it was lousy.
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Post by manfred on Jul 27, 2020 22:30:40 GMT -5
Unless there’s a 1930’s pitching rotation I know nothing about and you’re a dinosaur, I’d say your eyes aren’t deceiving you. That 2006 team had some pretty lousy numbers. Beckett’s era was over 5. David Wells was 4.98. Clement had an era over 6.60 (12 starts) and Kyle Snyder (10 starts) was over 6.00. Lenny Dinardo And Jason Johnson both started six games and had eras over 7. Schilling was really the only above average starter that year and his era was 3.97. That team had names (Lester, Schilling, Wells, Beckett, Clement), but it was lousy. . Yet Clement would be the #1 for this team.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2020 22:54:23 GMT -5
The 2017 version of Zack Godley could be the best thing to happen so far this year. Just bringing a little bit of positive energy to the board.😁
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2020 23:57:28 GMT -5
Man, this pitching staff is like amateur hour with all of these auditions for this terrible staff.
It's hard to see this opener stuff work when the options are so bad.
These losses are as painless as possible. Glad to see baseball back although you can't help but wonder how long it will last. Wish the Sox were providing entertainment value, but you can't have it all, I guess. LOL. Still, nice to see ballgames anyways.
The only real baseball sadness is seeing how far removed they are from the 2018 team. I have no illusions about this year's team. I don't suspect they'll really be in the chase for that #8 playoff spot.
I just hope by the end of the year, they can identify a starting pitcher or two to with Eovaldi, E-Rod, and eventually Sale. I think Gonsalves could be one of those keepers. I do think Hall is intriguing, but probably as a reliever. Hope something sticks (rather than stinks).
Other than that, I hope the Sox do get something out of this mediocrity of a team, whether it be a draft pick, a trade for the future that's beneficial, a higher draft pick, freedom from the luxury tax issue. Something.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 28, 2020 1:56:41 GMT -5
We are in a 7 way tie for first pick if anyone is looking. I wouldn't of course.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 28, 2020 3:06:46 GMT -5
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Post by costpet on Jul 28, 2020 6:05:05 GMT -5
A couple of weeks ago I predicted that the season wouldn't last past August 15th. I still stand by that.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 28, 2020 6:41:12 GMT -5
That 2006 team had some pretty lousy numbers. Beckett’s era was over 5. David Wells was 4.98. Clement had an era over 6.60 (12 starts) and Kyle Snyder (10 starts) was over 6.00. Lenny Dinardo And Jason Johnson both started six games and had eras over 7. Schilling was really the only above average starter that year and his era was 3.97. That team had names (Lester, Schilling, Wells, Beckett, Clement), but it was lousy. . Yet Clement would be the #1 for this team. I'd kill to have that 06 rotation this year. I'm not even talking about at 06 levels either. Give me 55 year old David Wells over these bums.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 28, 2020 6:42:55 GMT -5
We are in a 7 way tie for first pick if anyone is looking. I wouldn't of course. Hard tank is coming. JD will be here for a month and then traded. Better get something good for him. If JBJ keeps raking maybe someone buys his hot streak and trades for him too.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 28, 2020 7:47:11 GMT -5
We are in a 7 way tie for first pick if anyone is looking. I wouldn't of course. Hard tank is coming. JD will be here for a month and then traded. Better get something good for him. If JBJ keeps raking maybe someone buys his hot streak and trades for him too. Funny thing is that they don't even have to try, the pathetic pitching will do it for them and the Sox have been condemned since Sale went under the knife. Where are all those predicting playoff hopes? it helps to look at things realistically most of the time rather than thru rose colored lenses.. This team staff was the pits before ERod's covid illness and the team really had no way of improving the staff without spending money, which of course salary cap limitations stopped it from doing. This has always been a .500 at best season, even if Sale had not gotten hurt.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 28, 2020 9:57:32 GMT -5
. Yet Clement would be the #1 for this team. I'd kill to have that 06 rotation this year. I'm not even talking about at 06 levels either. Give me 55 year old David Wells over these bums. I always hate denigrating guys who have the talent to make the majors and are doing the best they can. The staff as constructed is not up to average ML standard surely but I have a hard time calling them bums. Roenicke might be the best manager to steer us thru this horrible to be season as his questionable decisions and inexperience so far auger well for a poor finish and an exciting pick.
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Post by manfred on Jul 28, 2020 10:02:49 GMT -5
I'd kill to have that 06 rotation this year. I'm not even talking about at 06 levels either. Give me 55 year old David Wells over these bums. I always hate denigrating guys who have the talent to make the majors and are doing the best they can. The staff as constructed is not up to average ML standard surely but I have a hard time calling them bums. That is fair, and I don’t want to forget they are people doing their best. That said, some of these guys have stuff that you can see in a weekend series in college. One wonders *how* they made the majors.... what set them apart?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 28, 2020 10:08:51 GMT -5
I'd kill to have that 06 rotation this year. I'm not even talking about at 06 levels either. Give me 55 year old David Wells over these bums. I always hate denigrating guys who have the talent to make the majors and are doing the best they can. The staff as constructed is not up to average ML standard surely but I have a hard time calling them bums. Roenicke might be the best manager to steer us thru this horrible to be season as his questionable decisions and inexperience so far auger well for a poor finish and an exciting pick. Calling them "bums" is in the context of comparing them to competent MLB pitchers. It takes a lot of skill to make it to the majors and stay there. However, the guys the Sox are throwing out there are borderline major leaguers at best. Ryan Weber, Springer, etc...are all career AAAA players. Eovaldi is the only guy who is actually a legitimate major league starting pitcher on this team. But I certainly respect your opinion.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 28, 2020 10:19:02 GMT -5
Calling them bums in any context is classless.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 28, 2020 10:20:38 GMT -5
yes, the staff is bad. However, four games is not enough time to determine just how bad it is. Not too mention our 2 best are not available, that would but a dent in most teams pitching stats. A lot of confirmation bias going on.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 28, 2020 10:27:32 GMT -5
Bobby Dalbec could perform just as well as Chavis right now, change my mind. Roll the dice and see what you've got. 1) Chavis is a backup. I don't want Dalbec to come up and be a backup. 2) Why waste Dalbec's service time right now? Maybe later in the year but I don't see the rush. 3) As mentioned, he didn't get back into camp until July 12. Even if they were inclined to bring him up right away, he needs to actually get ready. We're hearing about guys getting hurt because three weeks wasn't enough. Dalbec hasn't even had that yet.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 28, 2020 10:57:25 GMT -5
We are in a 7 way tie for first pick if anyone is looking. I wouldn't of course. Hard tank is coming. JD will be here for a month and then traded. Better get something good for him. If JBJ keeps raking maybe someone buys his hot streak and trades for him too. "The team stinks so they should get rid of their best players" is... not my favorite form of argument in the best of times. But honestly, how much are they gonna get for anybody this season? You think they're gonna restock the farm system by selling JBJ as a rental in a season that might not even finish? As for JDM, what's your plan for replacing his bat next season? Are you so desperate to make the 2020 team as bad as possible that you'd make the 2021 team worse as well?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 28, 2020 11:10:14 GMT -5
Hard tank is coming. JD will be here for a month and then traded. Better get something good for him. If JBJ keeps raking maybe someone buys his hot streak and trades for him too. "The team stinks so they should get rid of their best players" is... not my favorite form of argument in the best of times. But honestly, how much are they gonna get for anybody this season? You think they're gonna restock the farm system by selling JBJ as a rental in a season that might not even finish? As for JDM, what's your plan for replacing his bat next season? Are you so desperate to make the 2020 team as bad as possible that you'd make the 2021 team worse as well? Trade and re-sign when he opts out. It'll work eventually, right?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 28, 2020 11:11:15 GMT -5
Boys, I'm feeling good today. I think we lose this one 4-1 tonight, maybe even 4-2. Gotta stay positive.
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Post by manfred on Jul 28, 2020 11:11:26 GMT -5
Hard tank is coming. JD will be here for a month and then traded. Better get something good for him. If JBJ keeps raking maybe someone buys his hot streak and trades for him too. "The team stinks so they should get rid of their best players" is... not my favorite form of argument in the best of times. But honestly, how much are they gonna get for anybody this season? You think they're gonna restock the farm system by selling JBJ as a rental in a season that might not even finish? As for JDM, what's your plan for replacing his bat next season? Are you so desperate to make the 2020 team as bad as possible that you'd make the 2021 team worse as well? I think the issue is the 2021 team is already going to be not-nearly-good-enough. So then one asks: can you make a few big moves to make it better, do you endure a mediocre season, or do you reload? I agree, though, that there is not much to be done in terms of dumping. With the Marlins situation, I don’t see rentals having a good market. Anyway, the Sox have virtually no tradeable pieces (that they want to trade). I would trade JDM in a second for prospects, though. Barnes and Workman might have some value by the deadline, even some low-minors flyer. I’d consider trading CVaz, since the team may not be good in the span of his best years. But I think simply looking to 2021 as a turned page is a bad idea. This team is fundamentally screwed. Eovaldi is hardly a guarantee; ERod had a great year last year, but he is no certainty; and Sale might never be the same. And after that... nothing for pitching. The lineup is bleh, with no immediate improvements in sight (and this even assumes peak performance from Devers, X, JDM). What I dread more than anything is a plan that keeps them not terrible but not good.
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