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Post by manfred on Aug 2, 2020 19:19:23 GMT -5
For all the hoopla about the Yankees being dominant, their SP has major issues after Cole. I wouldn't bet them in Vegas to win the WS. Not by a long shot. I totally agree. They should be really worried about the short series format where crazy stuff could happen.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 2, 2020 19:22:06 GMT -5
Plays like that are exactly why I think people are too negative about Raffy's longterm defense. Devers big problem - at least to my eyes - are the routine plays. That’s where he seems to make the most errors. It will be interesting to see what the team does if Dalbec can sustain his power and maintain a league average or better OBP. He’s a plus defender at third with a plus arm. Devers, especially showing us his mindset showing up out of shape this year after turning a corner on focus and commitment last year, may be headed to first or elsewhere.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 2, 2020 19:25:04 GMT -5
i did not miss JDs outfield defense
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Post by manfred on Aug 2, 2020 19:26:08 GMT -5
Plays like that are exactly why I think people are too negative about Raffy's longterm defense. Devers big problem - at least to my eyes - are the routine plays. That’s where he seems to make the most errors. It will be interesting to see what the team does if Dalbec can sustain his power and maintain a league average or better OBP. He’s a plus defender at third with a plus arm. Devers, especially showing us his mindset showing up out of shape this year after turning a corner on focus and commitment last year, may be headed to first or elsewhere. Is Dalbec a plus defender? His page makes him sound closer to average with a ++ arm. Has that report changed?
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Post by Guidas on Aug 2, 2020 19:27:47 GMT -5
Are they paying these pitchers? Because if they are they’re getting robbed. Great game by the offense taking advantage of Paxton. Pitching not giving them a chance.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 2, 2020 19:29:50 GMT -5
Devers big problem - at least to my eyes - are the routine plays. That’s where he seems to make the most errors. It will be interesting to see what the team does if Dalbec can sustain his power and maintain a league average or better OBP. He’s a plus defender at third with a plus arm. Devers, especially showing us his mindset showing up out of shape this year after turning a corner on focus and commitment last year, may be headed to first or elsewhere. Is Dalbec a plus defender? His page makes him sound closer to average with a ++ arm. Has that report changed? I am trying to recall where I read that. May be Keith Law’s assessment.
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Post by station13 on Aug 2, 2020 19:32:27 GMT -5
Matt Hall could end up with a 200000 ERA and still have a job. Thanks Covid.
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Post by station13 on Aug 2, 2020 19:33:41 GMT -5
JBJ is JBJ. A 4 hit masterpiece followed by 4 punchless game.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 2, 2020 19:34:53 GMT -5
Peraza's got a chance to finish the season with 0 walks
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Post by station13 on Aug 2, 2020 19:38:58 GMT -5
Does anyone remember a game at YS where Wright was the only pitcher left and he keeps blowing leads after leads in extras? Did we win that?
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Post by wildsox on Aug 2, 2020 19:41:47 GMT -5
What a play Devers!!
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Post by cutz on Aug 2, 2020 19:41:53 GMT -5
Judge knows he's out. He was walking to the dugout.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 2, 2020 19:42:05 GMT -5
ok that was one of the best third base plays i've ever seen by Devers. you can't move him off third base
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 2, 2020 19:43:09 GMT -5
ok that was one of the best third base plays i've ever seen by Devers. you can't move him off third base Brilliant.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 2, 2020 19:43:46 GMT -5
Great play.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 2, 2020 19:44:20 GMT -5
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Post by Coreno on Aug 2, 2020 19:44:24 GMT -5
Plays like that are exactly why I think people are too negative about Raffy's longterm defense. Devers big problem - at least to my eyes - are the routine plays. That’s where he seems to make the most errors.It will be interesting to see what the team does if Dalbec can sustain his power and maintain a league average or better OBP. He’s a plus defender at third with a plus arm. Devers, especially showing us his mindset showing up out of shape this year after turning a corner on focus and commitment last year, may be headed to first or elsewhere. I agree. Which is why I'm inclined to believe those will be reduced with more experience. Dalbec is 2 years older than Devers and made 15 errors in 90 games at 3B in AA last year. I think moving Devers across the diamond for him, who idek if he will hit enough in the majors, could be a huge mistake. And on cue: Devers makes another web gem.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 2, 2020 19:53:14 GMT -5
From 2018 it's the same lineup minus Nunez and Betts with Holt as a backup. In there place you have Perza, Chavis and Verdugo/Pillar. Yet you act like it's some horrible group. You act like Verdugo coming off over 3 plus bwar in basically half a season is nothing. There aren't huge holes in the lineup or spots for young guys. You mean 2018 when Mookie had a 10.6 bWAR? (Also when they had Price and Porcello?) First, this is a bit different a point. You said guys like Shawaryn were lower in the prospect list because of young stars. The guys you name aren’t blocking him... indeed we’ve moved from pitchers to hitters, so essentially a new topic. Second, it is fair to say Nunez for Peraza is a push. Granted. Chavis for Holt is a downgrade, but hardly relevant to issues of contending. Now... Pillar (career 88 OPS+) and Verdugo to Betts? Night and day. So I think Verdugo is nothing? Nope. I suspect he could be a .300 hitter. I am also pretty confident that he will hit with average-ish power, not run much, be an ok fielder. That is a fine albeit small piece to a puzzle, but it means you need someone else to pick up a lot of slack. He looks to be capable of being what Beni was his first few years with maybe a tick leas power and less speed. It is not nothing but it is a HUGE downgrade. And this far, he has looked about as bad as Beni, for all the heat the latter gets. I don’t think my position should be that controversial: this team is far worse than it was even last year, and it doesn’t seem to gave any game changing prospects ready for the next year and a half. That year Nunez, Devers and Vazquez were combined -2.3 bwar. You don't have to replace Betts one for one. It's about the group of players combined. You know Devers isn't close to a -.1 bwar player, Vazquez doesn't look like a -1.0 bwar player now. Umm Shawaryn? I said that when years ago? I'm making a point about our lineup. Yet yeah I'd like to see Shawaryn come up, he can't be any worse. Yet it's a new GM and he didn't draft him like DD did. Well besides Trout every player is a downgrade. Yet Verdugo is a very good young player, if he can develop into a 3-4 bwar player he's a huge building block. Let's remember I mentioned that 2018 team because it was the best I've seen in my lifetime, not a baseline for a good team. I think you need to look at that. Betts wasn't close to a ten bwar guy year in and year out. I think we have talent that can help starting next year. We lost Sale to TJ and ERod to Covid on what was already a weak spot. So you can't look at this team and think it equals next year's team or the future. This is worst case type stuff with pitching.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 2, 2020 19:54:50 GMT -5
that was a pretty swing, Xander. reminded me of when he let loose for his first career bomb at this very park years ago
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Post by kjkramer on Aug 2, 2020 20:01:40 GMT -5
I wish X had no opt outs
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Post by station13 on Aug 2, 2020 20:08:17 GMT -5
It's funny seeing Sox hurlers completely failing to keep the ball away this weekend. If you watch Tanaka, he has muscle memories to do so.
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Post by station13 on Aug 2, 2020 20:10:37 GMT -5
that was a pretty swing, Xander. reminded me of when he let loose for his first career bomb at this very park years ago 2013, Saturday game. Sox completely dominated the weekend in the Bronx
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 2, 2020 20:18:08 GMT -5
that was a pretty swing, Xander. reminded me of when he let loose for his first career bomb at this very park years ago 2013, Saturday game. Sox completely dominated the weekend in the Bronx He's had quite a journey and its come full circle. After that rookie year and the disastrous 2014, he changed his profile and became a slash hitter with little power. Now we can watch him mash bombs like that one again, and also have a great approach for handling 2-strike counts. May he stay with the Sox for a very long time to come.
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Post by station13 on Aug 2, 2020 20:19:50 GMT -5
2013, Saturday game. Sox completely dominated the weekend in the Bronx He's had quite a journey and its come full circle. After that rookie year and the disastrous 2014, he changed his profile and became a slash hitter with little power. Now we can watch him mash bombs like that one again, and also have a great approach for handling 2-strike counts. May he stay with the Sox for a very long time to come. I hope he stays until retirement. Enough of watching our best players leave because they don't want to pay.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 2, 2020 20:21:55 GMT -5
From 2018 it's the same lineup minus Nunez and Betts with Holt as a backup. In there place you have Perza, Chavis and Verdugo/Pillar. Yet you act like it's some horrible group. You act like Verdugo coming off over 3 plus bwar in basically half a season is nothing. There aren't huge holes in the lineup or spots for young guys. You mean 2018 when Mookie had a 10.6 bWAR? (Also when they had Price and Porcello?) First, this is a bit different a point. You said guys like Shawaryn were lower in the prospect list because of young stars. The guys you name aren’t blocking him... indeed we’ve moved from pitchers to hitters, so essentially a new topic. Second, it is fair to say Nunez for Peraza is a push. Granted. Chavis for Holt is a downgrade, but hardly relevant to issues of contending. Now... Pillar (career 88 OPS+) and Verdugo to Betts? Night and day. So I think Verdugo is nothing? Nope. I suspect he could be a .300 hitter. I am also pretty confident that he will hit with average-ish power, not run much, be an ok fielder. That is a fine albeit small piece to a puzzle, but it means you need someone else to pick up a lot of slack. He looks to be capable of being what Beni was his first few years with maybe a tick leas power and less speed. It is not nothing but it is a HUGE downgrade. And this far, he has looked about as bad as Beni, for all the heat the latter gets. I don’t think my position should be that controversial: this team is far worse than it was even last year, and it doesn’t seem to gave any game changing prospects ready for the next year and a half. Oh how quickly we forget. A bowl of cold linguine would have been a massive upgrade on Nunez. Peraza has already compiled 2.8 bWAR more than Nunez did in '18 and '19 combined. (He has compiled 0.0 fWAR.)
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