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8/10-8/13 Red Sox vs. Rays Series Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2020 9:49:02 GMT -5
What a bad season it is to lose someone to the Rule 5 draft. The other side of that coin is what a great season for Bloom to pick up Arauz. ADD: Let's keep in mind that he projects to be a utility player at this point, not a starter.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2020 9:51:35 GMT -5
Players currently in Pawtucket I'd be comfortable calling up: Hart Houck D. Hernandez/Taylor if they're ready, obv. Chatham Dalbec M. Hernandez Duran maybe, although some more time to keep working on his tweaked swing would be better. Maybe more like trade deadline.
Absolutely not ready: Mata Groome Wong Downs
Everyone else, whatever. Stock is kind of interesting and I think Simpson could be too with some work. Maybe later in the year on them if they're trending up.
Also why are we suggesting trading Vazquez? Catchers don't grow on trees, people. He's signed through 2022 (no way they don't pick up his option) and where exactly is his replacement coming from? If anyone says Wong they get shot with the Nerf gun. FYI, I asked McMillon a question about Wong potentially playing some infield yesterday and he said there really aren't plans to get him time anywhere other than catcher, because he's relatively new to the position and needs to keep learning back there. In a normal year he's almost certainly in Portland the full year, followed by Pawtucket for most of next year. Not only is learning to play catcher just a different thing, but that 30% k rate last year could use some work too.
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 11, 2020 9:57:00 GMT -5
Players currently in Pawtucket I'd be comfortable calling up: Hart Houck D. Hernandez/Taylor if they're ready, obv. Chatham Dalbec M. Hernandez Duran maybe, although some more time to keep working on his tweaked swing would be better. Maybe more like trade deadline. Absolutely not ready: Mata Groome Wong Downs Everyone else, whatever. Also why are we suggesting trading Vazquez? Catchers don't grow on trees, people. He's signed through 2022 (no way they don't pick up his option) and where exactly is his replacement coming from? If anyone says Wong they get shot with the Nerf gun. FYI, I asked McMillon a question about Wong potentially playing some infield yesterday and he said there really aren't plans to get him time anywhere other than catcher, because he's relatively new to the position and needs to keep learning back there. In a normal year he's almost certainly in Portland the full year, followed by Pawtucket for most of next year. Not only is learning to play catcher just a different thing, but that 30% k rate last year could use some work too. Agree on all except maybe Marco Hernandez, although admittedly I haven't seen how he's been playing on the travel team, the last time I did see him get a shot he was pretty terrible.
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Post by manfred on Aug 11, 2020 10:00:09 GMT -5
Players currently in Pawtucket I'd be comfortable calling up: Hart Houck D. Hernandez/Taylor if they're ready, obv. Chatham Dalbec M. Hernandez Duran maybe, although some more time to keep working on his tweaked swing would be better. Maybe more like trade deadline. Absolutely not ready: Mata Groome Wong Downs Everyone else, whatever. Also why are we suggesting trading Vazquez? Catchers don't grow on trees, people. He's signed through 2022 (no way they don't pick up his option) and where exactly is his replacement coming from? If anyone says Wong they get shot with the Nerf gun. FYI, I asked McMillon a question about Wong potentially playing some infield yesterday and he said there really aren't plans to get him time anywhere other than catcher, because he's relatively new to the position and needs to keep learning back there. In a normal year he's almost certainly in Portland the full year, followed by Pawtucket for most of next year. Not only is learning to play catcher just a different thing, but that 30% k rate last year could use some work too. My argument for trading CVaz is this: they likely need until 2022 to get it together. He is at his absolute peak, which may be passing by the time they have rebuilt their outfield and pitching staff. I don’t include him, however, in my must-go bin with guys like JBJ, Workman, or JDM. I just think it is worth seeing if you can get a great deal for him. But I’d need a great deal.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2020 10:01:14 GMT -5
To be clear, "comfortable calling up" doesn't mean "clamoring for the team to call up tomorrow."
Hernandez can hit. He's not great defensively, but I feel comfortable he'd hit decently well in a regular-ish role. And if not, whatever, cut him loose.
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 11, 2020 10:03:18 GMT -5
To be clear, "comfortable calling up" doesn't mean "clamoring for the team to call up tomorrow." Hernandez can hit. He's not great defensively, but I feel comfortable he'd hit decently well in a regular-ish role. And if not, whatever, cut him loose. Fair.
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Post by jkfer98 on Aug 11, 2020 10:08:38 GMT -5
Also why are we suggesting trading Vazquez? Catchers don't grow on trees, people. He's signed through 2022 (no way they don't pick up his option) and where exactly is his replacement coming from? FWIW, our friend Red Sox Stats has suggested the Sox could flip Vazquez and spend big on J.T. Realmuto this off-season. I don’t agree with this, just because I don’t think giving a lot of money to a 30 year old catcher is a great idea, but that’s the main person I’ve seen bringing it up.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2020 10:09:28 GMT -5
My argument for trading CVaz is this: they likely need until 2022 to get it together. He is at his absolute peak, which may be passing by the time they have rebuilt their outfield and pitching staff. I don’t include him, however, in my must-go bin with guys like JBJ, Workman, or JDM. I just think it is worth seeing if you can get a great deal for him. But I’d need a great deal. Well, in the first instance, why can't you just extend him? Second, I don't agree they need that long to get it together. I think the lineup is fine, especially if JDM doesn't opt out (which I don't think he will) and isn't traded. In theory, you're getting ERod back next year and perhaps Sale midseason. If there's one thing I'm hopeful that Bloom can do it's build a bullpen. It really all hinges on whether they can bring in starting pitching, and if Rodriguez is going to come back healthy (if he's not, they literally have to build an entire starting rotation in an offseason, which will be an adventure. We also have no idea what the team will be willing to spend, so that's all guesswork too.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2020 10:10:55 GMT -5
Also why are we suggesting trading Vazquez? Catchers don't grow on trees, people. He's signed through 2022 (no way they don't pick up his option) and where exactly is his replacement coming from? FWIW, our friend Red Sox Stats has suggested the Sox could flip Vazquez and spend big on J.T. Realmuto this off-season. That's a pretty huge gamble. I'd wait until I have Realmuto in the fold. He's going to be the best player on the market and will have multiple suitors. If they do sign Realmuto then yeah of course trade Vazquez.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2020 10:14:20 GMT -5
I'd trade Vazquez if the Sox were going nowhere at the trade deadline. In 2022.
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Post by manfred on Aug 11, 2020 10:24:41 GMT -5
My argument for trading CVaz is this: they likely need until 2022 to get it together. He is at his absolute peak, which may be passing by the time they have rebuilt their outfield and pitching staff. I don’t include him, however, in my must-go bin with guys like JBJ, Workman, or JDM. I just think it is worth seeing if you can get a great deal for him. But I’d need a great deal. Well, in the first instance, why can't you just extend him? Second, I don't agree they need that long to get it together. I think the lineup is fine, especially if JDM doesn't opt out (which I don't think he will) and isn't traded. In theory, you're getting ERod back next year and perhaps Sale midseason. If there's one thing I'm hopeful that Bloom can do it's build a bullpen. It really all hinges on whether they can bring in starting pitching, and if Rodriguez is going to come back healthy (if he's not, they literally have to build an entire starting rotation in an offseason, which will be an adventure. We also have no idea what the team will be willing to spend, so that's all guesswork too. You can extend him, but my point is at that time he’d be 32 (turn 33 in first season of extension I think?) he could be beyond this peak moment. I am less sanguine about the lineup. How long can Moreland keep going? What about the black hole at 2B? And the outfield is in the negative bWAR collectively. And that is not just Benny. Benny and JBJ are brutal. Verdugo is a mere tick above them. JDM has been awesome, but it can’t last forever. He’s turning 33 soon and has been bad this year. One assumes he is most affected by the Covid protocols, but if he slips, it is a serious problem. As for pitching, even your best case is not good. ERod has had one great year and needs to a) be healthy and b) be consistent. Sale can bounce back, but as what? A #1 again? He’ll be 32 when he next pitches. Even without TJ, decline would be no surprise. And after them... Eovaldi? Perez? It is fair to say they need no less than 3 quality starters... and I don’t mean reclamation projects. Last thing: I want this to be multi year, because I don’t want them to do the Panda/Hanley splurge. Needing pitching, for example, doesn’t mean outbidding teams for the best available free agent if that guy is not the right guy. So I hate the idea of signing the likes of Stroman or Minor. Bauer. Really, I’d be unenthusiastic about any of this year’s FA class. Hence, perhaps the need to look to trading for prospects.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 11, 2020 10:45:32 GMT -5
I get going after guys and hoping they improve. I don't get Peraza playing full-time like he's some high upside guy. He's a platoon infielder and he's not even a good utility guy because his D isn't that good at many positions. It's time to sell off guys if you can and start playing the young guys. Time for player development and getting a top five pick. Who does that entail exactly tho? Let Chavis play, along with Dalbec, then Mata and Houck as pitchers? Who else is ready? Doubts on Mata being so as it is and think Duran needs more time pre MLB. Not sure Shawarayn is a MLB pitcher. Who exactly can they give chances to? Am of thought that cleaning out current crop of mid relievers and replacing several with a Leyer, Shawarayn wouldn't hurt. Even Tapaia. better than some we've been seeing get hammered on every appearance basis of late. I want to answer at the minimum can Shawaryn be a major league pitcher. His strikeouts were way up in relief yet he got hit hard. Give Hart a shot, I'd like to see Gonslaves. I'd like to see Hernandez be used like Brewer last night, get him some innings. Heck I wouldn't mind a Houck/Hernandez pairing, at the very least it would be crazy fun to watch each for three innings. Play Chavis and Dalbec. Play Chatham to see if he can be your utility guy next year. Also play Duran, with an eye towards seeing what he can be next year. It's a lost season, so I want to see the prospects we've followed for years. Not just waiver pickups and low cost pickups like Peraza. I know who Peraza is, I know who Lin is, those are win now guys. Insert hopefully some interesting guys they can trade for. Plus I want Chavis playing 2B, heck I'd have him play some OF. Crap like that, see what guys can do with next year in mind. I want Chavis to see some right handed starters. I want our young guys to play after having big games, not sitting on the bench for three games while Lin gets starts. Nothing too crazy in my opinion.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2020 10:46:46 GMT -5
Not that I am fixated with finding my clothes in trash bins but Clevinger and Plesac could be available at a discount.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 11, 2020 10:53:15 GMT -5
Not that I am fixated with finding my clothes in trash bins but Clevinger and Plesac could be available at a discount. Indians can't afford to be that stupid, but if they are I would jump at both guys. They are both legit MLB cost controlled starters.
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Post by manfred on Aug 11, 2020 10:58:32 GMT -5
Not that I am fixated with finding my clothes in trash bins but Clevinger and Plesac could be available at a discount. Indians can't afford to be that stupid, but if they are I would jump at both guys. They are both legit MLB cost controlled starters. Agree. No way you dump two good young arms for being young and stupid. But... yeah. I’d be in on that bigtime.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2020 10:59:23 GMT -5
Damn, just realized I'm getting old. Sean Connery turns 90 in two weeks.
I said a discount, not a giveaway. I'm pretty sure they aren't happy with them, especially with Carrasco & Francona's health situation.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 11, 2020 11:04:01 GMT -5
Well, in the first instance, why can't you just extend him? Second, I don't agree they need that long to get it together. I think the lineup is fine, especially if JDM doesn't opt out (which I don't think he will) and isn't traded. In theory, you're getting ERod back next year and perhaps Sale midseason. If there's one thing I'm hopeful that Bloom can do it's build a bullpen. It really all hinges on whether they can bring in starting pitching, and if Rodriguez is going to come back healthy (if he's not, they literally have to build an entire starting rotation in an offseason, which will be an adventure. We also have no idea what the team will be willing to spend, so that's all guesswork too. You can extend him, but my point is at that time he’d be 32 (turn 33 in first season of extension I think?) he could be beyond this peak moment. I am less sanguine about the lineup. How long can Moreland keep going? What about the black hole at 2B? And the outfield is in the negative bWAR collectively. And that is not just Benny. Benny and JBJ are brutal. Verdugo is a mere tick above them. JDM has been awesome, but it can’t last forever. He’s turning 33 soon and has been bad this year. One assumes he is most affected by the Covid protocols, but if he slips, it is a serious problem. As for pitching, even your best case is not good. ERod has had one great year and needs to a) be healthy and b) be consistent. Sale can bounce back, but as what? A #1 again? He’ll be 32 when he next pitches. Even without TJ, decline would be no surprise. And after them... Eovaldi? Perez? It is fair to say they need no less than 3 quality starters... and I don’t mean reclamation projects. Last thing: I want this to be multi year, because I don’t want them to do the Panda/Hanley splurge. Needing pitching, for example, doesn’t mean outbidding teams for the best available free agent if that guy is not the right guy. So I hate the idea of signing the likes of Stroman or Minor. Bauer. Really, I’d be unenthusiastic about any of this year’s FA class. Hence, perhaps the need to look to trading for prospects. Just my two cents, but I don't see Hanley/Panada type deals this off-season. The elite guys maybe, yet most others are going to be taking the best one year deals available. I'd be scared as heck signing a Stroman type to a long-term deal. Yet a one year deal around 10 million crazy very little risk. There won't be much money in the market next year. Heck teams might pay us to take guys off there hands to free up money. It's going to be something we haven't seen before.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2020 11:09:42 GMT -5
lol
Clevinger and Plesac for
Verdugo, Downs and Wong.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 11, 2020 11:12:10 GMT -5
Well, in the first instance, why can't you just extend him? Second, I don't agree they need that long to get it together. I think the lineup is fine, especially if JDM doesn't opt out (which I don't think he will) and isn't traded. In theory, you're getting ERod back next year and perhaps Sale midseason. If there's one thing I'm hopeful that Bloom can do it's build a bullpen. It really all hinges on whether they can bring in starting pitching, and if Rodriguez is going to come back healthy (if he's not, they literally have to build an entire starting rotation in an offseason, which will be an adventure. We also have no idea what the team will be willing to spend, so that's all guesswork too. You can extend him, but my point is at that time he’d be 32 (turn 33 in first season of extension I think?) he could be beyond this peak moment. I am less sanguine about the lineup. How long can Moreland keep going? What about the black hole at 2B? And the outfield is in the negative bWAR collectively. And that is not just Benny. Benny and JBJ are brutal. Verdugo is a mere tick above them. JDM has been awesome, but it can’t last forever. He’s turning 33 soon and has been bad this year. One assumes he is most affected by the Covid protocols, but if he slips, it is a serious problem. As for pitching, even your best case is not good. ERod has had one great year and needs to a) be healthy and b) be consistent. Sale can bounce back, but as what? A #1 again? He’ll be 32 when he next pitches. Even without TJ, decline would be no surprise. And after them... Eovaldi? Perez? It is fair to say they need no less than 3 quality starters... and I don’t mean reclamation projects. Last thing: I want this to be multi year, because I don’t want them to do the Panda/Hanley splurge. Needing pitching, for example, doesn’t mean outbidding teams for the best available free agent if that guy is not the right guy. So I hate the idea of signing the likes of Stroman or Minor. Bauer. Really, I’d be unenthusiastic about any of this year’s FA class. Hence, perhaps the need to look to trading for prospects. Your arguments on this issue often seem to take the worst plausible outcome for each player as the most likely outcome. Just in this comment: Benny won't ever bounce back from his current slump, Verdugo will only be "a tick above" brutal, JDM will slip, ERod might not be both good and consistent, Sale will be older and likely decline, Eovaldi and Perez are literally just questions... And yes, all of those are possibilities. But by only talking about the downside for every player, you're using uncertainty about the future to imply that the worst possible outcome is the most likely one. That isn't any more likely than every guy playing to his absolute ceiling. Personally, I can imagine a 2021 roster that has a rotation of, say, Stroman, E. Rodriguez, Eovaldi, Perez, and Sale coming back at mid-season, and a lineup built around Bogaerts, Devers, JDM, Verdugo, Vazquez, and a Benintendi who can't possibly be this bad, and I have no idea how you can just punt when you have that much talent, not to mention help from the minors that could arrive especially in 2022. And what would you be punting for? How much prospect talent would you really get back for the team's tradable assets, such as they are? Is it really enough to just give up on the next two seasons?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 11, 2020 11:13:03 GMT -5
Damn, just realized I'm getting old. Sean Connery turns 90 in two weeks. I said a discount, not a giveaway. I'm pretty sure they aren't happy with them, especially with Carrasco & Francona's health situation. I agree 100% they aren't happy with them. I also don't think they are going to trade either guy because they were young and stupid. Not at any real discount, that team can't afford that long-term. Yet I'd offer Eovaldi in two seconds with us paying most of his salary. That's just the type of stuff GMs dream about though.
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Post by manfred on Aug 11, 2020 11:24:10 GMT -5
You can extend him, but my point is at that time he’d be 32 (turn 33 in first season of extension I think?) he could be beyond this peak moment. I am less sanguine about the lineup. How long can Moreland keep going? What about the black hole at 2B? And the outfield is in the negative bWAR collectively. And that is not just Benny. Benny and JBJ are brutal. Verdugo is a mere tick above them. JDM has been awesome, but it can’t last forever. He’s turning 33 soon and has been bad this year. One assumes he is most affected by the Covid protocols, but if he slips, it is a serious problem. As for pitching, even your best case is not good. ERod has had one great year and needs to a) be healthy and b) be consistent. Sale can bounce back, but as what? A #1 again? He’ll be 32 when he next pitches. Even without TJ, decline would be no surprise. And after them... Eovaldi? Perez? It is fair to say they need no less than 3 quality starters... and I don’t mean reclamation projects. Last thing: I want this to be multi year, because I don’t want them to do the Panda/Hanley splurge. Needing pitching, for example, doesn’t mean outbidding teams for the best available free agent if that guy is not the right guy. So I hate the idea of signing the likes of Stroman or Minor. Bauer. Really, I’d be unenthusiastic about any of this year’s FA class. Hence, perhaps the need to look to trading for prospects. Your arguments on this issue often seem to take the worst plausible outcome for each player as the most likely outcome. Just in this comment: Benny won't ever bounce back from his current slump, Verdugo will only be "a tick above" brutal, JDM will slip, ERod might not be both good and consistent, Sale will be older and likely decline, Eovaldi and Perez and literally just questions... And yes, all of those are possibilities. But by only talking about the downside for every player, you're using uncertainty about the future to imply that the worst possible outcome is the most likely one. That isn't any more likely than every guy playing to his absolute ceiling. Personally, I can imagine a 2021 roster that has a rotation of, say, Stroman, E. Rodriguez, Eovaldi, Perez, and Sale coming back at mid-season, and a lineup built around Bogaerts, Devers, JDM, Verdugo, Vazquez, and a Benintendi who can't possibly be this bad, and I have no idea how you can just punt when you have that much talent, not to mention help from the minors that could arrive especially in 2022. And what would you be punting for? How much prospect talent would you really get back for the team's tradable assets, such as they are? Is it really enough to just give up on the next two seasons? This is fair. And I don’t mean to suggest every worst case comes true at once. But I do mean to say the odds are some of them do, and the team as it stands... even plus a Stroman... can’t afford not to run on all cylinders. But looking at some of my examples, I am not actually saying worst case: I’m saying track record. Eovaldi is 30, has been in the majors since 2011, and has a sub-100 career ERA+. How much can we expect out of him? Perez is a year younger with a year less service and also a sub-100ERA+. These are established average-ish pitchers. JBJ is what he is. Benny has to be better than this... I mean he has 2 more hits than ME ffs! But as much as I love him, I think it is time we drop his ceiling. There is no reason to expect a huge breakout. I feel safe saying those four are going to be weak links. Could ERod, Sale, and JDM have career years? Yes, sure. But I would take a Vegas bet against all three. So of the “core,” the guys I have total faith in are X and Devers, with JDM as a near 3rd. CVaz is a great catcher right now. After that, my faith largely collapses.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2020 12:26:48 GMT -5
Yeah I think you're taking the extremely pessimistic view.
The organization doesn't need to build another 2018 juggernaut to be successful. There are holes in the lineup, sure. Find me a team that has none. I think part of your thinking is probably colored by the fact that Bogaerts and Vazquez are probably the only ones hitting above their 50 percent projections right now who are full-time players (plus Moreland part-time). Bradley is gone after this year probably, to be replaced most likely by Duran (unless they bring JBJ back on a pillow contract?).
I see your point about not wanting to Feed the Monster again. But there's a gap between that solution and "trade everyone for prospects" where creative solutions lie. That specifically is what Bloom was brought in to do. 2022 might be when they become legit contenders again, but punting on 2021 entirely isn't necessarily the only way to get there.
EDIT: For what it's worth, I just saw a tweet that MLB teams are hitting .230, the first time since 1968 they've hit below .240. The pitchers are winning right now.
And to be fair, I've got no idea how to fix the rotation. I just know they need two legitimate starters next year, and that's if ERod comes back. That's a huge concern! but again, "blow it up we need a new rotation" isn't the only way to fix that.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 11, 2020 12:34:52 GMT -5
Your arguments on this issue often seem to take the worst plausible outcome for each player as the most likely outcome. Just in this comment: Benny won't ever bounce back from his current slump, Verdugo will only be "a tick above" brutal, JDM will slip, ERod might not be both good and consistent, Sale will be older and likely decline, Eovaldi and Perez and literally just questions... And yes, all of those are possibilities. But by only talking about the downside for every player, you're using uncertainty about the future to imply that the worst possible outcome is the most likely one. That isn't any more likely than every guy playing to his absolute ceiling. Personally, I can imagine a 2021 roster that has a rotation of, say, Stroman, E. Rodriguez, Eovaldi, Perez, and Sale coming back at mid-season, and a lineup built around Bogaerts, Devers, JDM, Verdugo, Vazquez, and a Benintendi who can't possibly be this bad, and I have no idea how you can just punt when you have that much talent, not to mention help from the minors that could arrive especially in 2022. And what would you be punting for? How much prospect talent would you really get back for the team's tradable assets, such as they are? Is it really enough to just give up on the next two seasons? This is fair. And I don’t mean to suggest every worst case comes true at once. But I do mean to say the odds are some of them do, and the team as it stands... even plus a Stroman... can’t afford not to run on all cylinders. But looking at some of my examples, I am not actually saying worst case: I’m saying track record. Eovaldi is 30, has been in the majors since 2011, and has a sub-100 career ERA+. How much can we expect out of him? Perez is a year younger with a year less service and also a sub-100ERA+. These are established average-ish pitchers. JBJ is what he is. Benny has to be better than this... I mean he has 2 more hits than ME ffs! But as much as I love him, I think it is time we drop his ceiling. There is no reason to expect a huge breakout. I feel safe saying those four are going to be weak links. Could ERod, Sale, and JDM have career years? Yes, sure. But I would take a Vegas bet against all three. So of the “core,” the guys I have total faith in are X and Devers, with JDM as a near 3rd. CVaz is a great catcher right now. After that, my faith largely collapses. Honestly, if Eovaldi and Perez are average-ish pitchers as our #4 and 5 starters, that sounds pretty good. And I'm pretty pleased with what I've seen from Verdugo so far. He's on the same 3+ WAR pace he was on last year, and just turned 24 the other day. He has the burden of not being Mookie, but he looks like a solidly above average player.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 11, 2020 12:36:39 GMT -5
Re: Arouz and Wong. If Arouz was major league ready as a 22 year old, he wouldn't have been available in the Rule 5 draft. One good game doesn't make him major league ready, we know nothing about how pitchers will adjust. The only reason he is here is because of Rule 5. He likely wouldn't have made the 60 man otherwise. He's unlikely to be in Boston next season, Portland is more likely. For both Arauz and Wong, they are far better off getting everyday playing time than being the 28th man in the majors. =========================================================== Disagree partially. All minor leaguers are essentially loosing a year of development this year, so sitting as the 28th man is still better than sitting at home. While the results haven't been there for Arouz (except for yesterday) at the plate, what I have seen is a kid who doesn't look out of place on either side of the ball, solid defender, giving good professional at bats. I do think we should start trading some or all of the above. I do like Moreland, but I never understood why we re-upped him with so many 1B/3B types in our pipeline. I also can't abide by the move Chavis to 2B comments up in the thread, in my mind Chavis needs to be optioned to the travel squad, every time I see him in the lineup, I can permanent marker K's in his four at bats. He's looking more and more like Will Middlebrooks, had a great introduction and then became an also ran. I'd much prefer to see Arouz at 2B in a rotation will Lin, Peraza etc. If it were me, I trade JBJ, JD, Workman, Barnes for what you can get, and give Duran a shot for the remainder of the year to audition for that CF role, I keep Pillar as a solid veteran influence in that OF, and Moreland for the same reason on the clay, bring up Dalbec and see what he could do. Now, if you want to get real wild and speculative, and it's something I've debated internally, would anyone trade Bogey (Team Friendly Contract) to the highest bidder in the offseason and make a significant run at Lindor in FA. Or would you make a significant run at Lindor in FA anyways and try to move Bogey off SS? As crazy as it sounds I could see Boston making a run at Lindor if Downs fails to impress next season. I think Xander is as untouchable as it gets. Great contract, great attitude, and great player. You need to keep those guys.
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Post by manfred on Aug 11, 2020 12:40:18 GMT -5
This is fair. And I don’t mean to suggest every worst case comes true at once. But I do mean to say the odds are some of them do, and the team as it stands... even plus a Stroman... can’t afford not to run on all cylinders. But looking at some of my examples, I am not actually saying worst case: I’m saying track record. Eovaldi is 30, has been in the majors since 2011, and has a sub-100 career ERA+. How much can we expect out of him? Perez is a year younger with a year less service and also a sub-100ERA+. These are established average-ish pitchers. JBJ is what he is. Benny has to be better than this... I mean he has 2 more hits than ME ffs! But as much as I love him, I think it is time we drop his ceiling. There is no reason to expect a huge breakout. I feel safe saying those four are going to be weak links. Could ERod, Sale, and JDM have career years? Yes, sure. But I would take a Vegas bet against all three. So of the “core,” the guys I have total faith in are X and Devers, with JDM as a near 3rd. CVaz is a great catcher right now. After that, my faith largely collapses. Honestly, if Eovaldi and Perez are average-ish pitchers as our #4 and 5 starters, that sounds pretty good. And I'm pretty pleased with what I've seen from Verdugo so far. He's on the same 3+ WAR pace he was on last year, and just turned 24 the other day. He has the burden of not being Mookie, but he looks like a solidly above average player. It is tough not being Mookie, who is not yet 28 and on a 10-WAR pace. And I’m not relitigating so much as saying the outfield is badly diminished, and if by far your best OF is Verdugo — and I’m not slagging him — you are in trouble.
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