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Post by libertine on Aug 14, 2020 21:10:43 GMT -5
Ok, I can understand needing to get under the cap. But this ^^^ is a BS reason for what is about to happen. They lost their top 2 starters before this abortion of a season began and are trying to pass off a bunch of AAA quality relievers as a major league pitching staff but it is the player's fault? Really Tom? In fairness, they were unlikely to win 1-0 tonight with a full staff. Their offense can’t hide behind their pitching. And their defense is no great shakes. And RR doesn’t seem like a good manager. So.... Again...
Outside of the overmatched matched minor league relievers being trotted out to pitch what is RR and the rest of the team supposed to do? When a team finds itself down by 5-6 runs by the third inning of every game it is understandable that it is difficult to retain one's focus/competitive edge. Plus they lost 4 key players in terms of leadership and ability (2 to trade and 2 to injury/illness). This team was demoralized this season before the first pitch was thrown in anger. What we are seeing was always going to be the outcome...
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Post by manfred on Aug 14, 2020 21:21:23 GMT -5
In fairness, they were unlikely to win 1-0 tonight with a full staff. Their offense can’t hide behind their pitching. And their defense is no great shakes. And RR doesn’t seem like a good manager. So.... Again...
Outside of the overmatched matched minor league relievers being trotted out to pitch what is RR and the rest of the team supposed to do? When a team finds itself down by 5-6 runs by the third inning of every game it is understandable that it is difficult to retain one's focus/competitive edge. Plus they lost 4 key players in terms of leadership and ability (2 to trade and 2 to injury/illness). This team was demoralized this season before the first pitch was thrown in anger. What we are seeing was always going to be the outcome...
Well, I don’t disagree that when you trade your best player and second best pitcher, you are in trouble. Losing your 1, forget it. But RR seems bad. Ok, maybe we give him a break and say he’s just mixing things up to see what works. But there have been some bad decisions, and the team is unforgivably sloppy. And they are not the only team who didn’t get a full prep.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 14, 2020 21:28:55 GMT -5
welp, guess we should have just kept holding Workman out of games. One of the few good trade assets looking rough.
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Post by station13 on Aug 14, 2020 21:30:06 GMT -5
Is there anybody on this team who is doing well?
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Post by libertine on Aug 14, 2020 21:30:17 GMT -5
Again...
Outside of the overmatched matched minor league relievers being trotted out to pitch what is RR and the rest of the team supposed to do? When a team finds itself down by 5-6 runs by the third inning of every game it is understandable that it is difficult to retain one's focus/competitive edge. Plus they lost 4 key players in terms of leadership and ability (2 to trade and 2 to injury/illness). This team was demoralized this season before the first pitch was thrown in anger. What we are seeing was always going to be the outcome...
Well, I don’t disagree that when you trade your best player and second best pitcher, you are in trouble. Losing your 1, forget it. But RR seems bad. Ok, maybe we give him a break and say he’s just mixing things up to see what works. But there have been some bad decisions, and the team is unforgivably sloppy. And they are not the only team who didn’t get a full prep. Can't argue these points with you. But I think it is partly a function of where they find themselves any given game.
My problem with what Werner said is I don't blame the players for how uncompetitive the team is and I don't think that everyone of value who isn't on a long term deal should be moved because of it. And I am not sure that Red Sox fans will be happy paying the 2nd highest ticket prices in baseball to watch a 65-97 team next season as the glorious rebuilding process rolls on.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2020 21:36:09 GMT -5
Both Baltimore and Miami won. That seems stranger than the Sox.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 14, 2020 21:56:17 GMT -5
And Pittsburgh got crushed by Cincy. Despite how bad the RS are, it's hard for me to see us winning the Kumar sweepstakes. We have to hope for Jack Leiter.
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Post by dmaineah on Aug 14, 2020 21:56:53 GMT -5
What a pitiful disgusting performance. The organization should be embarrassed with the quality of play & pitching that they put out on the field every day.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2020 22:12:17 GMT -5
And Pittsburgh got crushed by Cincy. Despite how bad the RS are, it's hard for me to see us winning the Kumar sweepstakes. We have to hope for Jack Leiter. I am hoping for Leiter anyways but as far as I can see, Seattle is also a potential problem as well.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 14, 2020 22:21:15 GMT -5
The other reason I have a hard time rooting for draft position is that there just isn't that big a payoff. It's not like the NFL or NBA drafts where the #1 pick is a sure thing. Here are the #1 picks going back from 2015:
2015: Dansby Swanson 2014: Brady Aiken 2013: Mark Appel 2012: Carlos Correa 2011: Gerrit Cole 2010: Bryce Harper 2009: Stephen Strasburg 2008: Tim Beckham 2007: David Price 2006: Luke Hochevar 2005: Justin Upton 2004: Matt Bush 2003: Delmon Young 2002: Brian Bullington 2001: Joe Mauer 2000: Adrian Gonzalez
Half of those guys turned into stars, half of them turned into... not much. (It's interesting how few of them were just serviceable major leaguers; it's all boom or bust.)
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 14, 2020 22:29:26 GMT -5
Phils - I'm curious as to why you prefer Leiter to K-Rock. I do have a concern about K-Rock's weight and conditioning.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2020 22:59:34 GMT -5
Phils - I'm curious as to why you prefer Leiter to K-Rock. I do have a concern about K-Rock's weight and conditioning. I view Kumar as the higher ceiling, Leiter as the higher floor. That generally equates to a faster rise and it's not like as if Leiter is projected to be a back end starter. Leiter isn't as fast but has better developed secondaries. I have never seen either, just reading various reports.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 14, 2020 23:39:48 GMT -5
Tell me now.. Is this team the real deal, or what? Can they do anything? Can anyone pitch? Hit? This team is "it", I tell ya.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 14, 2020 23:52:47 GMT -5
Why is Braiser terrible? What happened to the guy?
When will Darwinzon Hernández be back? I'd like to see one competent bullpen option.
Interesting how long it has been since the Red Sox were the worst team in baseball, but then again, this team has a special kind of suck to them and would probably win the last 5 just to take them out of the top 5, but still miss the playoffs.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 14, 2020 23:59:05 GMT -5
Or have a GM smart enough to instead go for top rated Austin Meadows. (992 OPS last year) Cherrington somehow thought wiser to draft Trey Ball while every knowledgeable Sox fan was screaming for Meadows at number 7 in 2013
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 15, 2020 0:54:10 GMT -5
Or have a GM smart enough to instead go for top rated Austin Meadows. (992 OPS last year) Cherrington somehow thought wiser to draft Trey Ball while every knowledgeable Sox fan was screaming for Meadows at number 7 in 2013 I mean, the Pirates basically gave up on Meadows and Glasnow, but somehow Tampa Bay just makes everyone live up to their highest potential. I wouldn't be surprised to see Michael Chavis turning into Dan Uggla with that team.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 15, 2020 2:26:33 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 15, 2020 3:43:56 GMT -5
Cherrington somehow thought wiser to draft Trey Ball while every knowledgeable Sox fan was screaming for Meadows at number 7 in 2013 I mean, the Pirates basically gave up on Meadows and Glasnow, but somehow Tampa Bay just makes everyone live up to their highest potential. I wouldn't be surprised to see Michael Chavis turning into Dan Uggla with that team. Chavis isn't as bad as some fans pick on him for. Sure, the K's are high, but he does get his hits in, which is more than a few other hyped Sox kids have in the past who did flop and hap issues with the K, yet couldn't hit at all. I'd also like to add the Marlins used to be a team watched many-a-time back before Tommy Hutton and Rich Walls were canned as the broadcasting duo. Danny Uggla had as close to -0- range to his right as have ever seen for a 2b, tho was fair to his left. Chavis, for someone who barely had any MiLB time to get used to the position was/is far and away better there than was Uggs.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 15, 2020 6:55:43 GMT -5
Is there anybody on this team who is doing well? Jonathan Arauz?
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 15, 2020 7:01:15 GMT -5
Afterthoughts after watching the Sox - Yankees game last night.
1. Colten Brewer did not look that bad all things considered. 2. I don't know why RR brought in Brazier in that situation, as soon as I heard the announcement I knew the game was about to get out of hand. 3. This season is going to be (has been) brutal. 4. I don't think Roenicke makes it past this year, I know the management has said he has their support, but I can't imagine he comes back next year. I know with Covid it's hard to get a pulse on the team, but this team is playing lifeless right now, they are in "all for myself" mode. 5. The trade deadline and the offseason are going to be more interesting than the product from here on out, and yet like a masochist I will watch, wincing, every game.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 15, 2020 7:04:33 GMT -5
Boston Strong @bostonstrong_34 · 2h Tom Werner was on NESN earlier today, mentioned that they’re extremely dissapointed with the team’s performance even if they have some key players down. A lot of trading expected to come for players that don’t have long term contracts with the team. And I'm disappointed with the guy he hired to be the GM. True, Chaim couldn't have known Sale and E Rod would endure season ending injuries. But the gaggle of pitchers he traded for, and grabbed off the waiver wire have been noting short of pathetic so far this season. I feel badly for Ron Roenicke, a good baseball man who has to put on a positive outlook with what appears to be a basement dwelling team. Thank goodness the season is 1/3 over and we can start speculating on roster changes and key players returning to health next year.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 15, 2020 7:08:35 GMT -5
Phils - I'm curious as to why you prefer Leiter to K-Rock. I do have a concern about K-Rock's weight and conditioning. I view Kumar as the higher ceiling, Leiter as the higher floor. That generally equates to a faster rise and it's not like as if Leiter is projected to be a back end starter. Leiter isn't as fast but has better developed secondaries. I have never seen either, just reading various reports. If the team drafts Kumar let's hope it can keep him away from White Castle before ST.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 15, 2020 7:22:01 GMT -5
I view Kumar as the higher ceiling, Leiter as the higher floor. That generally equates to a faster rise and it's not like as if Leiter is projected to be a back end starter. Leiter isn't as fast but has better developed secondaries. I have never seen either, just reading various reports. If the team drafts Kumar let's hope it can keep him away from White Castle before ST. House looks like a complete 2 way stud but I am hoping the Sox aren't looking high school for their first pick.
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Post by semperfisox on Aug 15, 2020 7:31:24 GMT -5
I’m actually excited to see what we do at the trade deadline. We’re not in a position to sell very often. I’m looking forward to seeing how Bloom rebuilds this thing.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 15, 2020 7:34:53 GMT -5
Boston Strong @bostonstrong_34 · 2h Tom Werner was on NESN earlier today, mentioned that they’re extremely dissapointed with the team’s performance even if they have some key players down. A lot of trading expected to come for players that don’t have long term contracts with the team. And I'm disappointed with the guy he hired to be the GM. True, Chaim couldn't have known Sale and E Rod would endure season ending injuries. But the gaggle of pitchers he traded for, and grabbed off the waiver wire have been noting short of pathetic so far this season. I feel badly for Ron Roenicke, a good baseball man who has to put on a positive outlook with what appears to be a basement dwelling team. Thank goodness the season is 1/3 over and we can start speculating on roster changes and key players returning to health next year. IF Bloom comes away from the trade deadline with two near major league ready Top 40ish pitching prospects without loosing any of our better young players, I am building a shrine on our spare lot.
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