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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Feb 18, 2021 17:02:22 GMT -5
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 18, 2021 18:02:05 GMT -5
Side-armer (or "Low three-quarters") Rays have really valued this and been successful finding pitchers(mostly relievers) . Not necessarily side winders, but having all types of different pitchers. Also, listening to Coras interview today, he clearly mentioned the pitchers and how the team all types of pitchers that throw all types of pitches. Obviously they see something. No harm in bringing him in. See what you have in next couple weeks. Good chance more C19 and or DL stints to come.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 20, 2021 2:38:22 GMT -5
So, they still have to add Marwin, and Plawecki will come off the C-19 list sooner or later, so that's Walden and Brewer, although there's a small chance that a 60-day IL stint will open up a spot. We certainly hope not.
If JBJ comes to them, willing to play for way cheap, they have two choices: trading Wilson, or DFA'ing / trading Schreiber. They know whether the Rays and Mets would be interested, and there's a decent chance he would clear if neither is. You would hold off on trading Arroyo to make room on the 26 until the last possible moment; any injury to one of the 10 non-catcher position players keeps him on the team for the time being.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Feb 20, 2021 10:58:48 GMT -5
I would DFA Brewer and Walden, see what happens. Walden I believe had dropped some velocity last year. He's not young anymore either.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 21, 2021 19:21:52 GMT -5
I would DFA Brewer and Walden, see what happens. Walden I believe had dropped some velocity last year. He's not young anymore either. I was a big fan of Walden while a AAA before he was originally brought up. He had a nice effective season with the Red Sox, but at this point I would assume he will be the next to go...
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 22, 2021 15:57:36 GMT -5
Guess who's back....
Wonder if the Blue Jays will claim him again if Red Sox try to DFA him.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 22, 2021 16:29:42 GMT -5
Guess who's back.... Wonder if the Blue Jays will claim him again if Red Sox try to DFA him. Probably inevitable given the room they cleared for him is temporary. It's basically a game of musical chairs where you try to be the team that DFA's him when the other interested teams have full rosters. But the C-19 list has made it much easier to find extra room for a short while.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 23, 2021 0:28:56 GMT -5
Guess who's back.... Wonder if the Blue Jays will claim him again if Red Sox try to DFA him. Probably inevitable given the room they cleared for him is temporary. It's basically a game of musical chairs where you try to be the team that DFA's him when the other interested teams have full rosters. But the C-19 list has made it much easier to find extra room for a short while. Obviously a guy the Sox have some type of interest in. Probably not in the future but maybe keep him out of the division this way.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 24, 2021 17:46:16 GMT -5
Marwin official, Walden DFA'ed.
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Post by ramireja on Feb 24, 2021 17:50:02 GMT -5
Interesting that they DFA'ed Payamps weeks ago ahead of Walden...and now they've DFA'ed Walden while holding onto Payamps. Then again, we're going to need additional 40-man spots for Plawecki and Cordero so perhaps Payamps will be an odd man out again? Perhaps there is a trade coming? I can't quite make sense of the recent moves.
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Post by manfred on Feb 24, 2021 17:51:50 GMT -5
Interesting that they DFA'ed Payamps weeks ago ahead of Walden...and now they've DFA'ed Walden while holding onto Payamps. Then again, we're going to need additional 40-man spots for Plawecki and Cordero so perhaps Payamps will be an odd man out again? Perhaps there is a trade coming? I can't quite make sense of the recent moves. Could that be that they’ve already seen they lose Payamps, and now they are testing to see if Walden can sneak through? I don’t know how much goes into strategizing who might slip through/who is just the guy you like least etc.
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Post by cdj on Feb 24, 2021 17:52:09 GMT -5
Interesting that they DFA'ed Payamps weeks ago ahead of Walden...and now they've DFA'ed Walden while holding onto Payamps. Then again, we're going to need additional 40-man spots for Plawecki and Cordero so perhaps Payamps will be an odd man out again? Perhaps there is a trade coming? I can't quite make sense of the recent moves. Maybe they figured since Payamps has been claimed multiple times off of waivers they might as well try Walden and hope he goes unclaimed
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Post by ramireja on Feb 24, 2021 17:59:26 GMT -5
to Manfred and cdj: Could be. I was also just a little bit surprised by the recent waiver claims of Payamps and Schrieber bringing the 40-man roster effectively to 42 (not counting Sale, but counting Cordero and Plawecki). That said, maybe they like Payamps and Schrieber as much as say Walden and Brewer, and like you said, are willing to try and pass the latter through waivers knowing that Payamps has some interest among other teams.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 24, 2021 18:20:56 GMT -5
It's weird because apparently Plawecki will be ready to come off, like, tomorrow, and Cordero next week. They're definitely just kicking the transactional cans down the road hoping other teams fill 40-man spots.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 25, 2021 2:21:01 GMT -5
to Manfred and cdj: Could be. I was also just a little bit surprised by the recent waiver claims of Payamps and Schrieber bringing the 40-man roster effectively to 42 (not counting Sale, but counting Cordero and Plawecki). That said, maybe they like Payamps and Schrieber as much as say Walden and Brewer, and like you said, are willing to try and pass the latter through waivers knowing that Payamps has some interest among other teams. It's worth noting that Brewer and Payamps each have just one option left, and Scheiber has all three. All thing being equal, you'd pick the guy who might be useful as an up-and-down guy for two extra years.
The easiest way to solve this dilemma would of course be to re-sign JBJ, leaving room for none of them.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 25, 2021 6:12:29 GMT -5
I got curious and compiled the 40-man roster that Bloom inherited. I'll post the comparison when the current dust settles. But how about this:
2021 Rookie and Minor-league starting pitchers
Tanner Houck Garrett Whitlock Connor Seabold Bryan Mata Jay Groome
2020 Rookie and Minor-league starting pitchers
Denyi Reyes
2021 Rookie and Minor-league relievers
Eduard Bazardo
2020 Rookie and Minor-league relievers
Travis Lakins Mike Shawaryn Bobby Poyner Trevor Kelley
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 25, 2021 6:52:19 GMT -5
Walden isn't a big deal at all. I can't see a team claiming him however, relievers are usually the most volatile spot on the team. My thoughts are if you aren't elite and you don't have a track record then you're replaceable.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 25, 2021 7:15:37 GMT -5
Walden isn't a big deal at all. I can't see a team claiming him however, relievers are usually the most volatile spot on the team. My thoughts are if you aren't elite and you don't have a track record then you're replaceable. Ought to be in love then with the potential relievers it seems will be at AAA. Walden has had 1 season, with 70 appearances at that of success. The cast estimated to be at AAA this year is mostly nothing, followed by more nothing, outside of hoping Bazardo and Feltman, 2 legit prospects can take the next step and Gonsalves. Not a big fan of the MiLB arms brought in this year overall, nor ones tossed aside, such as Tapia.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 25, 2021 7:20:43 GMT -5
Walden isn't a big deal at all. I can't see a team claiming him however, relievers are usually the most volatile spot on the team. My thoughts are if you aren't elite and you don't have a track record then you're replaceable. Ought to be in love then with the potential relievers it seems will be at AAA. Walden has had 1 season, with 70 appearances at that of success. The cast estimated to be at AAA this year is mostly nothing, followed by more nothing, outside of hoping Bazardo and Feltman, 2 legit prospects can take the next step and Gonsalves. Not a big fan of the MiLB arms brought in this year overall, nor ones tossed aside, such as Tapia. I don't have an opinion on the pen one way or the other except for Barnes who shouldn't be anywhere near the 9th inning.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 25, 2021 8:41:24 GMT -5
Projected 1st 5-6 of the MLB pen shouldn't be too bad. It ought to be better than last season's mess-terpiece, unless the wheels fall off. It's the guys who will be needed to fill in for those always needed emergency injuries which will happen, the several who won't pitch to expectations that I'm worried about. none of the minor league signings (pitchers) offer anything special, other than that glitzy fantasy spin rate, which by itself is worth less than the going rate of confederate money.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 25, 2021 11:00:17 GMT -5
I got curious and compiled the 40-man roster that Bloom inherited. I'll post the comparison when the current dust settles. But how about this: 2021 Rookie and Minor-league starting pitchers Tanner Houck Garrett Whitlock Connor Seabold Bryan Mata Jay Groome 2020 Rookie and Minor-league starting pitchers
Denyi Reyes 2021 Rookie and Minor-league relievers
Eduard Bazardo 2020 Rookie and Minor-league relievers Travis Lakins Mike Shawaryn Bobby Poyner Trevor Kelley
I think we've all recognized the work bulking up the former, but I don't know that there's much to the latter. The "homegrown" fringy relievers have been replaced by waiver claim fringy relievers. Unless, perhaps, the point is that under Dombrowski the Red Sox were asleep at the wheel on waiver claims? I think with better waiver activity Poyner and Kelley maybe never get on the roster to begin with.
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Post by manfred on Feb 25, 2021 11:07:51 GMT -5
I got curious and compiled the 40-man roster that Bloom inherited. I'll post the comparison when the current dust settles. But how about this: 2021 Rookie and Minor-league starting pitchers Tanner Houck Garrett Whitlock Connor Seabold Bryan Mata Jay Groome 2020 Rookie and Minor-league starting pitchers
Denyi Reyes 2021 Rookie and Minor-league relievers
Eduard Bazardo 2020 Rookie and Minor-league relievers Travis Lakins Mike Shawaryn Bobby Poyner Trevor Kelley
I think we've all recognized the work bulking up the former, but I don't know that there's much to the latter. The "homegrown" fringy relievers have been replaced by waiver claim fringy relievers. Unless, perhaps, the point is that under Dombrowski the Red Sox were asleep at the wheel on waiver claims? I think with better waiver activity Poyner and Kelley maybe never get on the roster to begin with. Bloom inherited Groome, Mata, Houck, and Bazardo. So part of this means he wisely... let them get a year older? If *I* were GM, those guys would be on the 40. Indeed, I don’t see how having Groome on the 40-man roster is a good thing. He’s not ready, maybe not close, but they definitely don’t want to lose him. So that could be a multi-year dead spot. Obviously that is not anyone’s fault... but it isn’t good.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 25, 2021 11:26:47 GMT -5
Fair point on the inherited guys.
Groome is what it is. He's been hurt. Red Sox aren't the first team with a tough 40-man call on a guy like that. You're right if the point is he probably shouldn't be listed with those other guys though.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 25, 2021 13:44:37 GMT -5
I got curious and compiled the 40-man roster that Bloom inherited. I'll post the comparison when the current dust settles. But how about this: 2021 Rookie and Minor-league starting pitchers Tanner Houck Garrett Whitlock Connor Seabold Bryan Mata Jay Groome 2020 Rookie and Minor-league starting pitchers
Denyi Reyes 2021 Rookie and Minor-league relievers
Eduard Bazardo 2020 Rookie and Minor-league relievers Travis Lakins Mike Shawaryn Bobby Poyner Trevor Kelley
I think we've all recognized the work bulking up the former, but I don't know that there's much to the latter. The "homegrown" fringy relievers have been replaced by waiver claim fringy relievers. Unless, perhaps, the point is that under Dombrowski the Red Sox were asleep at the wheel on waiver claims? I think with better waiver activity Poyner and Kelley maybe never get on the roster to begin with. The point was to answer the question, so what other pitchers were on the 40-man 16 months ago? Answer: a bunch of relievers who were barely prospects. System that thin at the MLB (or close) level. I thought about noting that we'll have as much or more talent with mlfa's, etc., on the Worcester roster, for actual bullpen help, as we did before Bloom started shopping.
In response to manfred's point, I also almost noted that the lack of any starters a year ago revealed the terrible lull or gap we had in developing (q.v. Trey Ball) and holding on to (q.v. Michael Kopech) starting pitching prospects. But I stayed up way past my bedtime compiling this list (and probably spent 30 minutes trying to resolve a discrepancy in the roster count -- turned out that Stephen Wright was released from the 60-man IL, so I was counting him as a subtraction incorrectly), so I just put up the raw findings!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 25, 2021 16:35:35 GMT -5
But I stayed up way past my bedtime compiling this list (and probably spent 30 minutes trying to resolve a discrepancy in the roster count -- turned out that Stephen Wright was released from the 60-man IL, so I was counting him as a subtraction incorrectly), so I just put up the raw findings! Eric, bud. web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.soxprospects.com/40man.htmHere's the 40man on October 6, 2019: web.archive.org/web/20190921123354/https://soxprospects.com/40man.htm The changes from this point until he was hired would be the aforementioned release of Wright, the outrights of Gorkys Hernandez and Josh A. Smith, and Chris Owings, along with those two, opting to become free agents, so 37 with 3 guys on the 60-day.
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