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Post by cdj on Aug 17, 2021 8:51:07 GMT -5
Also at the age Downs is at Duran was scuffling in AA
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 17, 2021 10:40:04 GMT -5
Shaw up, Franchy Wong Gone...
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Post by cdj on Aug 17, 2021 11:06:13 GMT -5
Andriese just got DFA’d
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Post by manfred on Aug 17, 2021 11:11:14 GMT -5
Shaw up, Franchy Wong Gone... I honestly wonder if this is the end for Franchy.
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Post by jmei on Aug 17, 2021 11:14:30 GMT -5
Shaw up, Franchy Wong Gone... I honestly wonder if this is the end for Franchy. Maybe the end of his MLB time this year if Shaw sticks, but Cordero has an option left for next year and don’t think his 40-man spot is in much danger during the offseason.
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 17, 2021 11:24:30 GMT -5
Let the cleansing begin...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 17, 2021 11:29:45 GMT -5
Let the cleansing begin... I loved April Andriese. Couldn't stand him the rest of the year though. One of the reasons the Sox got off to a flying start was that both Andriese and Whitlock were coming into games in the 5th or 6th and were giving quality long relief innings that really saved them. That's kind of what I would envision for Houck and Whitlock in the playoffs (beyond a wild card game) with the hope that Sale/Eovaldi/E-Rod/Pivetta are the post-season starters and that Whitlock wouldn't be needed to be an 8th inning setup guy as I'd hope Brasier can come back and contribute (he's busy shaking off that rust in AAA and getting hammered, but it's to early to give up hope on him helping).
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Post by manfred on Aug 17, 2021 11:34:12 GMT -5
I honestly wonder if this is the end for Franchy. Maybe the end of his MLB time this year if Shaw sticks, but Cordero has an option left for next year and don’t think his 40-man spot is in much danger during the offseason. I just wonder if he gets moved… again. Especially with Schwarber, they seem set in OF next year. Verdugo, Duran, Schwarber, Renfroe, and Kiké if he doesn’t move to 2b or super-sub.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 17, 2021 11:39:41 GMT -5
Maybe the end of his MLB time this year if Shaw sticks, but Cordero has an option left for next year and don’t think his 40-man spot is in much danger during the offseason. I just wonder if he gets moved… again. Especially with Schwarber, they seem set in OF next year. Verdugo, Duran, Schwarber, Renfroe, and Kiké if he doesn’t move to 2b or super-sub. I wouldn't pencil Schwarber into next year's outfield. Odds are he's a free agent and he moves on, particularly if JDM sticks around one last season with the Sox. I do agree that it's tough to envision Franchy Cordero being a significant part of the Red Sox going forward. I think he's either traded or spends the year putting up eye popping numbers in Worcester making a lot of people clamor for him.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 17, 2021 12:00:31 GMT -5
Franchy will cost like a million dollars to keep around, I'm not sure he's a mortal lock to make the 40 man cut. The marginal guy he'd be pushing off the roster is someone kinda interesting like Rosario, or Wong.
Probably some bad team will give us Christian Koss for him I suppose.
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Post by soxinsf on Aug 17, 2021 12:17:00 GMT -5
I just wonder if he gets moved⦠again. Especially with Schwarber, they seem set in OF next year. Verdugo, Duran, Schwarber, Renfroe, and Kiké if he doesnât move to 2b or super-sub. I wouldn't pencil Schwarber into next year's outfield. Odds are he's a free agent and he moves on, particularly if JDM sticks around one last season with the Sox. I do agree that it's tough to envision Franchy Cordero being a significant part of the Red Sox going forward. I think he's either traded or spends the year putting up eye popping numbers in Worcester making a lot of people clamor for him. It is hard to see how Schwarber and JDM can be in the same team unless someone else gets moved--always a possibility, of course. Let us imagine Schwarber as our chosen 1B at a reasonable price for a year, while he waits for a bigger payday and we wait for Casas. It is to dream on, but I have a hard time believing that he will not get a big payday elsewhere anyhow given his first half performance. But if that were to come to pass, then both Franchy and probably Bobby would be surplus to needs. Put Schwarber in LF as a starter on any kind of a contract, especially in the expectation that JDM is gone after next year, and you would probably part with one of the current group of Verdugo, Duran and Renfroe. No loss there if we have Kiké and I would love to see Munoz get another look at the utility role. And then there is the spilt time roll. Part-time 1B and part-time LF. If a short term pillow contract, maybe only marginal players are gone. But, if a longer term contract, then the Sox do have a player or two of value to offer around.
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Post by fenwaymabe on Aug 17, 2021 12:24:52 GMT -5
That brings up a good point. JD does have an opt out this year, doesn't he. If so, Schwarber could represent a legit replacement if we choose not to extend JD to keep him around in the future. That's why I'm eager to see how Schwarber finishes out the year with us....perhaps it could be a stepping stone to a longer relationship.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 17, 2021 12:54:25 GMT -5
So Andriese was DFA - off the 40 man.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 18, 2021 11:42:19 GMT -5
"Cubs Designate Johneshwy Fargas"
We need to grab him for our "all unique first names" squad.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 18, 2021 17:47:59 GMT -5
"Cubs Designate Johneshwy Fargas" We need to grab him for our "all unique first names" squad. I'd rather have Fargas than Closegas.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 18, 2021 17:48:36 GMT -5
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 18, 2021 22:54:35 GMT -5
Interesting links. So - Arroyo and Brasier sound like they will be here soon, Darwinzon not for a few weeks. Santana could be ready - but do we want him? Once Brasier comes up, who gets optioned - Davis, or Robles? Once Arroyo comes up, guess it will be Arauz - seems no room for Santana (unless Duran goes back down). as for the 40 man, Brasier means someone has to go - who?
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Post by cdj on Aug 18, 2021 23:04:38 GMT -5
I know it says they don’t care about Brasier’s results but they have to a little bit. Another couple runs tonight
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 19, 2021 14:42:58 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Aug 19, 2021 14:43:44 GMT -5
Happy trails Matt, thank you for April and helping Whitlock with his change up
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Post by maddog561 on Aug 19, 2021 14:47:51 GMT -5
Cant say im that suprised he was cut I think he could be a decent pitcher but maybe somewere like tampa or miami were they work on pitchers like him more.
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Post by widewordofsport on Aug 28, 2021 7:18:17 GMT -5
My thoughts subject to immediate and frequent changes: Hard to see them letting Schwarber go, unless JDM stays and the money is too much, they can save money letting Richards go though I still kinda like him.
SP - Sale-Eovaldi-Pivetta-Houck-Whitlock-Seabold DL/Depth - Mata-Groome-Bello-Crawford
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RP - Barnes-Sawamura-Perez-(6 mil option)-Darwinzon-Brazier-Taylor Depth - Rios - Bazardo - Valdez - Ort
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OF - Verdugo-Renfroe-Schwarber Depth - Duran
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IF -SIGNING-Kiké-Bogaerts-Devers-Arroyo Depth - Arauz-Dalbec-(Casas) DH-JDM
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C - Vazquez-Plawecki Depth - Wong
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four spots for:
Ward (I thought probably... but will make rosters very tight) Ottavino, Davis, Richards or Robles (maybe 1 or 2 stay)
Munoz/Potts/Rosario/Franchy/R.Hernandez/Arroyo/Davis all candidates to DFA and keep if possible, but at least four have to get dropped.
Santana/ERod/Shaw gone (ERod thank you for your service)
Played themselves off: Jeter Downs Doubtful: Winckowski, German, Gilberto,
Leaves one spot for a better infielder, but I think we won't see a lot added (just Crawford, Bello?), and you roll the dice with Downs and Hernandez to keep them. That Casas is depth but doesn't have to be added is fantastic. Arroyo has control and potential... but if he cant stay on the field not sure he adds enough. I think you'll see them protect more pitchers, and then once the 60 day DL is allowed, get a couple spots to put Arroyo/Franchy or whoever they need to add back for depth. Please be kind as I'm sure I missed an obvious person to add/keep, Ill edit if I come up with anything obvious.
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Post by cdj on Aug 28, 2021 7:52:04 GMT -5
If you don’t protect Winckowski or Downs I bet they’re both immediately selected and successfully stashed. A team will easily be able to keep Winckowski in the front of a bullpen for a year and there is a chance he would be an effective reliever immediately with a mid to upper 90’s FB, good slider, and good control.
Downs is a non-starter to leave off the 40 man, he is top 10 in the system and gets plucked immediately + spends the year on somebody’s bench as a backup IF with a glove for multiple spots.
Something I believe I remember our poster Phils talking about last year was how Downs was better with the glove than the stick at the ATS. It’s played out that way in Worcester too- the bat hasn’t lived up to expectations this season but the defense has more than done that from what I’ve seen. Seems like he can stick at SS. That’s a very easy guy to stick at the end of a roster, especially since doing so wouldn’t totally stunt his growth as the selecting team could start him in AAA as a 24 YO the following season if they need to
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Post by widewordofsport on Aug 28, 2021 8:38:21 GMT -5
I cant disagree with any of that. But that just makes it more clear that Potts/Rosario are both trades/DFA, and Munoz/Franchy/Davis/Richards/R.Hernandez are probably all gone or DFA as well (would rather have Downs/Winck over any of them anyway...)
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Post by radiohix on Aug 28, 2021 9:42:36 GMT -5
If you don’t protect Winckowski or Downs I bet they’re both immediately selected and successfully stashed. A team will easily be able to keep Winckowski in the front of a bullpen for a year and there is a chance he would be an effective reliever immediately with a mid to upper 90’s FB, good slider, and good control. Man I honestly don't get your fascination for Winckowski 😅 Don't get me wrong, I love guys who don't walk people but that's just the only quality he has: He pounds the zone with his mediocre stuff. Yes his stuff is really, really mediocre. Just for reference: In Portland's pitching stuff only Matt Kent (82.1%) allows more contact than he does (77.4%). What's the risk here? Some team picks him and Stach him in their bullpen? Let them have him. There's plenty of minor leaguers with his skill set. His two former teams deemed him tradable for a reason. Think about it: The Phillies gave the Red Sox Victor Santos for CJ Chatham meaning they really don't value Santos at all and as you can see in the table below, they're pretty similar pitchers with Santos being maybe a tad better.
| Contact% | BB/9 | K/9 | FIP | Winckowski | 77.4 | 2.5 | 7.6 | 4.19 | Santos | 76.3 | 1.2 | 9.0 | 3.57 |
There's no way Winckowski gets protected next off-season imo
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