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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 13, 2020 14:07:11 GMT -5
Bill is praising Stidham saying he's done everything they have wanted out of him. He said he inserted Stidham because he felt it gave them the best chance to win. Yet Cams still his starter. So he's basically saying Stidham is the better passer. Down big Stidham gave you a better chance. I don't know how else you take that. He's starting Cam because of his running it seems. Yet we are losing games because we can't pass. I'm closer to you in still believing in Stidham but taking anything that BB says in a presser as proof of anything is an interesting approach. The biggest part is that he put Stidham into the game. When asked it wasn't the game was over so we were trying to get young guys playing time or not get Cam injured. It was he gave us the best chance to win. Where else are you getting information from Bill? It's a rather big statement, when he says Cam is still the starter, yet he just pulled him and said the backup gave you a better chance to win no?
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Post by costpet on Dec 14, 2020 9:19:07 GMT -5
At that point in the game, there was very little chance to win. He just wanted to save Cam and get Stidham some experience. Bill won't start Stidham because, if he did, it would admit failure on his part for signing Cam.
They need a good QB next year no matter what. I think he would look seriously at JimmyG, if he can't get one in the draft. They have plenty of money in their salary cap to sign whomever they want. If they sign Jimmy, they can draft a really fast WR to help him.
On another note, I flipped on the TV to watch the Bucs for a while. The first thing I saw was Tommy throwing a 48 yard TD pass. A little later a TD pass to Gronk. I wanted to throw up. Turned off the TV.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 14, 2020 13:14:58 GMT -5
At that point in the game, there was very little chance to win. He just wanted to save Cam and get Stidham some experience. Bill won't start Stidham because, if he did, it would admit failure on his part for signing Cam. They need a good QB next year no matter what. I think he would look seriously at JimmyG, if he can't get one in the draft. They have plenty of money in their salary cap to sign whomever they want. If they sign Jimmy, they can draft a really fast WR to help him. On another note, I flipped on the TV to watch the Bucs for a while. The first thing I saw was Tommy throwing a 48 yard TD pass. A little later a TD pass to Gronk. I wanted to throw up. Turned off the TV. Brady would look like he did the last 8 games of the year here last year if he were still a Patriot. One, his weapons wouldn’t be nearly the same and two he had mailed it in.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 14, 2020 14:56:58 GMT -5
At that point in the game, there was very little chance to win. He just wanted to save Cam and get Stidham some experience. Bill won't start Stidham because, if he did, it would admit failure on his part for signing Cam. They need a good QB next year no matter what. I think he would look seriously at JimmyG, if he can't get one in the draft. They have plenty of money in their salary cap to sign whomever they want. If they sign Jimmy, they can draft a really fast WR to help him. On another note, I flipped on the TV to watch the Bucs for a while. The first thing I saw was Tommy throwing a 48 yard TD pass. A little later a TD pass to Gronk. I wanted to throw up. Turned off the TV. If Bill is trying to save face with Cam why didn't he just say he took him out to prevent injury? Then it's a non issue, no one is writing articles. Brady has been so-so all year with maybe the most weapons in the league.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 14, 2020 16:14:37 GMT -5
nesn.com/2020/12/bill-belichick-clarifies-jarrett-stidhams-usage-in-patriots-week-14-loss/So, did Stidham enter the game with 10:12 left in the fourth quarter because the game was out of hand or because he gave the Patriots a better chance to come back? “Wanted to give him an opportunity to play, so we did,” Patriots head coach Bill Belichick said Monday on WEEI’s “Ordway, Merloni and Fauria” program. “Cam was taking some hits,” Belichick said in a follow-up. “It’s a combination of things.” So he did . . . and he didn't. Which is why I question using his quotes as proof of anything. He says as little as possible while fulfilling the commitments of his pressers and radio hits.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 15, 2020 12:26:43 GMT -5
Bill almost always gives those political correct answers, which was why what he said about Stidham was so surprising. Zero surprise he kinda walks it back because I wasn't the only one drawing those conclusions. Patriot media writers were. I only made that post after reading two articles saying the same thing.
To each their own, yet as far as Bill goes, those comments about Stidham were as good as it gets. If you think they are meaningless, you think everything he says is meaningless about his players. Tom Brady the best QB of all-time left and a major reason was Bill not praising him. You get very little from him on his own players, yet he loves to praise other teams players which drives players nuts.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 15, 2020 12:31:19 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 15, 2020 16:15:51 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 16, 2020 10:17:10 GMT -5
Their current draft position is 16. Www.tankathon.com/nflIt would be very unlikely for their position to get any worse, if they go 7-9 they could move up to the 10-13 range. That pick and their 3rd round could get them as high as the 6th pick, so they shouldn't have to sell the farm if there is a QB they want. Of course, my money is always on Bill trading back. This team is so up and down who knows what happens, yet don't we play the Bills, Dolphins and Jets? We had a good chance to beat the Bills and already have wins against the other two. They can still go 9-7 to 6-10 and that is a huge difference in draft position. Yeah the closer to top 10 the easier it is to trade up or have a guy fall to you.
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Post by costpet on Dec 16, 2020 11:49:32 GMT -5
Would love them to win out, but getting a good draft choice is just as important. Watch them winning would make me feel good, but a great draft choice would also make me feel good. Either way, I win. So, there.
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Post by marrcus on Dec 20, 2020 15:14:08 GMT -5
Still hanging in against Dolphins with FG's. I don't think 9pts will be enough and I'm getting bad feelings about this one. Tua not good today.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Dec 20, 2020 17:05:12 GMT -5
We're on to 2021.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 21, 2020 9:15:57 GMT -5
You HAVE to give Stidham some run. The passing game currently doesn't exist. I think they should prep him as starter and let him play 2 full games. Let him make and try to overcome mistakes.
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Post by costpet on Dec 21, 2020 11:46:27 GMT -5
Dumb Jets won a game. If we can lose to them, they would lose the QB Lawrence in the draft to the Jags. That would be very good for us long term. Screwing the Jets is never bad.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 21, 2020 12:15:12 GMT -5
Dumb Jets won a game. If we can lose to them, they would lose the QB Lawrence in the draft to the Jags. That would be very good for us long term. Screwing the Jets is never bad. Due to strength of schedule the jags would get the first pick if they finish with same record as jets. The jags end with the bears and colts and I doubt they win either of those so Lawrence is the jags for the taking it seems. Jets can't even manage to suck when they need to. I wonder if they'd keep that 2nd pick for fields or keep darnold and either trade the pick or take someone else. Im not so sure fields is going to be better than darnold and they will probably get some nice offers.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 21, 2020 12:28:34 GMT -5
Dumb Jets won a game. If we can lose to them, they would lose the QB Lawrence in the draft to the Jags. That would be very good for us long term. Screwing the Jets is never bad. Due to strength of schedule the jags would get the first pick if they finish with same record as jets. The jags end with the bears and colts and I doubt they win either of those so Lawrence is the jags for the taking it seems. Jets can't even manage to suck when they need to. I wonder if they'd keep that 2nd pick for fields or keep darnold and either trade the pick or take someone else. Im not so sure fields is going to be better than darnold and they will probably get some nice offers. If they are smart they keep Darnold... I don’t think Fields is going to be good.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Dec 21, 2020 12:48:56 GMT -5
.this is the best place for a tiebreaker chart Work in progress Wildcard tiebreakers | Miami | Cleve | Balt | Tenn | Indy | Miami | --- | MIA conf | MIA conf | TENN common | MIA conf | Cleve | MIA conf | --- | BALT h2h | CLEVE h2h | CLEVE h2h | Balt | MIA conf | BALT h2h | --- | TENN h2h | BALT h2h | Tenn | TENN common | CLEVE h2h | TENN h2h | --- | TENN div | Indy | MIA conf | CLEVE h2h | BALT h2h | TENN div | --- |
UPDATED SUNDAY 630PM. Following Ravens victory. Also, Tenn can only tie Miami at 10-6. 11 wins gives Tenn the division. Updated after TENN loss. 11 pm Sun.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 21, 2020 12:50:36 GMT -5
Due to strength of schedule the jags would get the first pick if they finish with same record as jets. The jags end with the bears and colts and I doubt they win either of those so Lawrence is the jags for the taking it seems. Jets can't even manage to suck when they need to. I wonder if they'd keep that 2nd pick for fields or keep darnold and either trade the pick or take someone else. Im not so sure fields is going to be better than darnold and they will probably get some nice offers. If they are smart they keep Darnold... I don’t think Fields is going to be good. I think I agree and that they'd be smartest to trade the pick especially if someone falls in love with fields and gives up three+ first rounders. Then again smart and the jets aren't often said in the same sentence.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 21, 2020 14:37:49 GMT -5
As many projected, Gilmore done for the year per RapSheet. Torn quad. Surgery tomorrow.
Could be the end of his Patriot career.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 22, 2020 12:56:06 GMT -5
Stidham time, it's the only thing that makes sense.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 22, 2020 13:27:07 GMT -5
We should take bets... not what should happen, but does Bill start Stidham? If he does, I bet he pays Cam his money.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 22, 2020 13:27:20 GMT -5
You know I don't love "line in the sand" statements so I'll just point out the following:
- It can be argued that BB doesn't need the games to evaluate Stidham (he may have enough information already). - We know at least 1 of the games will be meaningless (if anything, the NYJ might not want to win - though that applies less to the players on the field than it does mgmt) so how much would we really be learned? - Not playing Newton means he won't earn some incentives. So, if you believe in the 1st 2, letting him do so (earning goodwill both with him and other players - some of whom you hope to sign/re-sign this offseason) may outweigh any added benefit of Stidham playing. - WE probably want to see it so we know if the Pats need to draft a QB. But I will always maintain that Bill doesn't approach the draft that way. FA fills needs (and whether it Cam or another "bridge guy", one will be signed). The draft is about getting players who you think can be successful in your system. If there is a guy Bill wants, I believe he'll move for him whether Stidham a) plays and does well; b) plays and does poorly; or c) doesn't play.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 22, 2020 13:28:33 GMT -5
We should take bets... not what should happen, but does Bill start Stidham? If he does, I bet he pays Cam his money. That could be the 1 thing that takes my #3 out of the equation. He has done it before where he gets the guy his money, even if the incentives weren't triggered.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 22, 2020 13:47:26 GMT -5
Quick search shows its $250,000 per NESN. I mean whatever. For me only two reasons you play Newton, you want him back next year or you think he'll help you lose. Even if Stidham isn't your guy going forward, he's still your likely backup next year. So getting him game reps makes sense.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 22, 2020 14:31:12 GMT -5
Quick search shows its $250,000 per NESN. I mean whatever. For me only two reasons you play Newton, you want him back next year or you think he'll help you lose. Even if Stidham isn't your guy going forward, he's still your likely backup next year. So getting him game reps makes sense. I think he can get over 90% if he plays the last 2 weeks so it’s half a million.
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