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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 9, 2020 15:28:15 GMT -5
Time to make predictions on the record:
I’m going 6-10.... I’m feeling negative today
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Post by mobaz on Sept 9, 2020 15:30:07 GMT -5
I'm going with 9 - 7. I think Cam syncs well, defense overachieves on Front 7, and we get enough boneheaded plays from QB and offense to still worry about Brady's successor.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 9, 2020 16:14:28 GMT -5
10-6, though I really want to say 11-5. I believe in the young guys, yet you never know. Kinda hard to do this with zero preseason games to go by, we'll have a much better idea after the first game. Yet even then no Harris and the young guys getting better will still make it hard. The Patriots almost always get better as the season goes along. I believe in Bill!
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 9, 2020 17:42:12 GMT -5
I believe in Bill, I just feel like this offense isn’t going to score very much at all.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 9, 2020 18:56:43 GMT -5
Team reminds me of the early 2000 with Brady, before 2007 when he took off. Which is why Harris going down is huge. Yet if Cam is healthy and reports say he is, I wouldn't sleep on him. Let's remember that the Patriots weren't that good on offense with Brady last year. Cam allows you to get more creative. Yet it's hard because we haven't seen him yet, just what we think they'll do.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 9, 2020 19:15:41 GMT -5
Right and they had an all world D (which they lost a ton from) and still finished the year 4-5 in last 9.... hence this team
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Post by mobaz on Sept 10, 2020 8:45:37 GMT -5
Right and they had an all world D (which they lost a ton from) and still finished the year 4-5 in last 9.... hence this team I think overall the offense under Cam (and when Harris comes back) will be more effective than it has been with Brady for 1.5 years. More creative, more options, Harry puts it together. ADD: theathletic.com/2055220/2020/09/10/cam-newton-patriots-offense/Jeff Howe ($) breaks down what Cam did during practices and how it might reflect on the season. Nothing revolutionary but interesting analysis of his connections (or lack thereof) with offensive personnel and where he succeeded. I'm hoping Jedd Fisch has a positive impact on the creativity of the offense. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 10, 2020 9:00:52 GMT -5
Right and they had an all world D (which they lost a ton from) and still finished the year 4-5 in last 9.... hence this team I think overall the offense under Cam (and when Harris comes back) will be more effective than it has been with Brady for 1.5 years. More creative, more options, Harry puts it together. Maybe - especially if the offensive line dominates (the line is the teams real chance), but any expectations for Harry is purely based on hope and banking on him being a first round pick and nothing else. The guy hasn’t shown anything to this point that even hints he a number 1 receiver in the making. Literally nothing. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 10, 2020 12:20:24 GMT -5
I think overall the offense under Cam (and when Harris comes back) will be more effective than it has been with Brady for 1.5 years. More creative, more options, Harry puts it together. Maybe - especially if the offensive line dominates (the line is the teams real chance), but any expectations for Harry is purely based on hope and banking on him being a first round pick and nothing else. The guy hasn’t shown anything to this point that even hints he a number 1 receiver in the making. Literally nothing. Why does Harry need to be a #1 in the making for us to be good? Solid #2 and we are a lot better than last year. I think he showed a lot last year, you see why they picked him. He's a bull in the open field, athletic and can make hard catches. Brady just wouldn't look his way because he was a rookie and made mistakes. That's on Brady, who did the same thing with Myers last year. He doesn't like young guys and that's the difference from early years Brady. That guy made so-so guys look better, old Brady can't be bothered to do that. With Newton you won't have that, our talent is about what he always had on the Panthers. He's done very good work with young players. Guys very similar to Harry have had big years with Newton at QB. Unlike Brady he'll throw those 50-50 balls and let his guys make a play. I do agree the line is our biggest part though. If a guy like Shaq Mason sucks again it's not going to be good. We have to be able to be a good running team, to open up the passing game. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 10, 2020 13:06:13 GMT -5
The single biggest difference from last year no one is talking about is having Blocking TEs and OL depth. That allows you to go two TE packages, something we almost never did last year and bring in an extra OL for running plays. Plus actually having a FB and depth with Keene. Asiasi and Keene will not only give you options in the passing game, yet it's their blocking that will likely be just as important. It's old school and not sexy, yet no FB or TE blocking killed us last year. Keene's my pick to make the biggest impact that won't show up in the box scores.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 10, 2020 13:15:48 GMT -5
The single biggest difference from last year no one is talking about is having Blocking TEs and OL depth. That allows you to go two TE packages, something we almost never did last year and bring in an extra OL for running plays. Plus actually having a FB and depth with Keene. Asiasi and Keene will not only give you options in the passing game, yet it's their blocking that will likely be just as important. It's old school and not sexy, yet no FB or TE blocking killed us last year. Keene's my pick to make the biggest impact that won't show up in the box scores. I'm hoping the TEs clearly show pass catching ability early. Too often last year you'd see who was at TE or which RB was in and know whether a pass or run was coming. Not helpful at all. With Newton at QB a run could come at any moment, but TEs showing both pass and block abilities and more diverse RB usage will be critical. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 10, 2020 13:56:45 GMT -5
The chances of the tight ends making a big impact in year one is low. If they are competent that is an improvement from last year for sure but expecting a big impact from that position is not what typically comes from a rookie.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 10, 2020 14:33:58 GMT -5
It's context, our TEs had 36 catches 418 yards and 2 TDs. Played 11,10 and six games. The top guy had 17 catches, 173 yards and 1 TD. There were 6 or 7 rookie TEs that did much better than that last year. Asiasi had very good tape, he's a big athletic guy that can move. Hands down better than anyone last year. I won't predict a monster year because he's a rookie, yet 30 catches 350 yards and 3 TDs is a massive upgrade. Plus he looks like a better blocker than anyone last year also. That could lead to a 50% increase in TE production overall, yet still nothing great. The bar is so crazy low, just like at WR that it won't take much. Still I think the blocking, which translates day one is going to be the bigger difference.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 11, 2020 13:33:15 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 11, 2020 14:29:34 GMT -5
He’s also way down the depth chart so there’s probably at least somewhat of a procedural move to this. Honestly, the fact they didn’t cut him at least makes me a little hopefully. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 11, 2020 15:50:15 GMT -5
He has a legit knee injury missed multiple practices in a row. So I don't see this as a procedural move at all. The fact they kept him as part of ten OL guys is a very good sign. It wasn't Harris straight to the IR and frankly I think you'll see a ton of this by Bill this year. He'll use the IR like no other coach will because it's only three weeks and unlimited guys can come back.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 13, 2020 9:57:39 GMT -5
Going to be weird today
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 13, 2020 12:08:39 GMT -5
Is cam slower than before?
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Post by philarhody on Sept 13, 2020 12:15:42 GMT -5
Awesome first drive for Cam. Nailed Edelman with a bullet. Receivers have to be better.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 13, 2020 12:22:59 GMT -5
Adrian Phillips really bad with two bad reads on second drive. Worth monitoring who takes over for Chung.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 13, 2020 12:27:28 GMT -5
Cam is throwing BULLETS. Shoulder looks good
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Post by philarhody on Sept 13, 2020 12:38:00 GMT -5
Belichick has got to be salivating at this offense
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 13, 2020 12:38:03 GMT -5
Romo has an interesting idea of efficient
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 13, 2020 12:38:47 GMT -5
Belichick has got to be salivating at this offense If they had some good receivers they’d be really good but they a seriously lacking any fire power. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 13, 2020 13:21:08 GMT -5
6-10 might be over shooting it - may have to adjust that
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