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Patriots 2020 season thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 18, 2020 23:04:14 GMT -5
I'd limit the RPOs if you want to keep his carries down. McDaniels said they didn't call many QB runs, just a bunch of option plays, where Newton ran it himself most of the time. He likes to run and with our line you might have to hit the breaks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 19, 2020 11:14:11 GMT -5
I know people were saying the Pats should trade for Robinson and while I don’t agree with him, I do think they should deal for OBJ if possible. OBJ is a legit deep threat and he’s under contract for 3 years after this at reasonable money for a receiver these days. He’s a wild card for sure but he’s a beast as well.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 19, 2020 12:07:56 GMT -5
Well I think Robinson is also a legit deep threat. At the deadline I have no problem if we look good trading for him. If it's the normal 3rd round pick to be free agents usually get. I don't like him complaining about a new deal though, he's the 15th highest paid WR and paid about what he should be.
Trade for OBJ for what? The Browns traded a mid first rounder, a second and a guy they picked in the first a year before. I'm sure they can easily trade him, they can't easily trade him for a massive package and I'm not trading a massive package for a guy with his attitude issues. They want to cut bait and take a low level package I'm all for it. I don't think that is the case though.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 19, 2020 12:41:10 GMT -5
Another too be free agent who I love is Kenny Galloday.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 19, 2020 13:59:59 GMT -5
I'd limit the RPOs if you want to keep his carries down. McDaniels said they didn't call many QB runs, just a bunch of option plays, where Newton ran it himself most of the time. He likes to run and with our line you might have to hit the breaks. Yeh, an RPO is a run pass option. The run option is more typically on a running back handoff, not a qb keeper.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 19, 2020 16:49:40 GMT -5
I'd limit the RPOs if you want to keep his carries down. McDaniels said they didn't call many QB runs, just a bunch of option plays, where Newton ran it himself most of the time. He likes to run and with our line you might have to hit the breaks. Yeh, an RPO is a run pass option. The run option is more typically on a running back handoff, not a qb keeper. It really isn't though, your just thinking of what they did with Brady because he wasn't mobile. Given how they used those option plays in the first game, I'd assume RPOs with Newton will include him moving. That opens things up and makes it harder on the D. With Brady you never had to worry about him running with an RPO, that's not the case with Newton and your certainly not going to tell him he can't run with an RPO. You have to think more college type plays or what the Ravens do with Jackson. Not the crazy limited RPOs we did with Brady.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 20, 2020 15:18:20 GMT -5
Yeh, an RPO is a run pass option. The run option is more typically on a running back handoff, not a qb keeper. It really isn't though, your just thinking of what they did with Brady because he wasn't mobile. Given how they used those option plays in the first game, I'd assume RPOs with Newton will include him moving. That opens things up and makes it harder on the D. With Brady you never had to worry about him running with an RPO, that's not the case with Newton and your certainly not going to tell him he can't run with an RPO. You have to think more college type plays or what the Ravens do with Jackson. Not the crazy limited RPOs we did with Brady. No, I cannot recall many rpo’s with Brady at all. Think rpo’s like what Philadelphia used to shred New England in the Super Bowl or Baker Mayfield at Oklahoma or Joe Burrow at LSU.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 20, 2020 16:12:14 GMT -5
It really isn't though, your just thinking of what they did with Brady because he wasn't mobile. Given how they used those option plays in the first game, I'd assume RPOs with Newton will include him moving. That opens things up and makes it harder on the D. With Brady you never had to worry about him running with an RPO, that's not the case with Newton and your certainly not going to tell him he can't run with an RPO. You have to think more college type plays or what the Ravens do with Jackson. Not the crazy limited RPOs we did with Brady. No, I cannot recall many rpo’s with Brady at all. Think rpo’s like what Philadelphia used to shred New England in the Super Bowl or Baker Mayfield at Oklahoma or Joe Burrow at LSU. Last year Brady ran RPOs 1.7% of the time, so yeah there weren't a ton of them. There is a bunch of ways to do it and a lot of it involves a QB running. Which is why mobile QB do it a lot more, Stidham did it over 26% of the time his last year in College for example.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 20, 2020 18:35:41 GMT -5
James White's father was involved in a car accident and did not survive. White, obviously, is inactive tonight.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 20, 2020 19:53:39 GMT -5
James White's father was involved in a car accident and did not survive. White, obviously, is inactive tonight. God that’s horrible
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Post by marrcus on Sept 20, 2020 20:50:34 GMT -5
Made the huge play to get the games first break. Sea looks strong and they will be tough to stop in the 2h. Even if Pats keep pace I worry the kicking game won't be there and i'm not talking about 51 yarders (missed). This looks like a very tough one ... Bill knows this or he wouldn't have gone 4th and 6 early.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 20, 2020 21:28:42 GMT -5
My god that out route by Byrd was bad. It was a semicircle and Newton telegraphed it. This team is not designed for a shootout.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 20, 2020 21:33:55 GMT -5
Made the huge play to get the games first break. Sea looks strong and they will be tough to stop in the 2h. Even if Pats keep pace I worry the kicking game won't be there and i'm not talking about 51 yarders (missed). This looks like a very tough one ... Bill knows this or he wouldn't have gone 4th and 6 early. That first huge play was a gift from Seattle. The defense hasn’t been very good all night. Our Dline has been run over by a not very good offensive line.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 20, 2020 21:37:57 GMT -5
Harry is the easiest big receiver to take down - no reason he shouldn’t be getting a first down there.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 20, 2020 22:33:39 GMT -5
There are no good losses, but there’s a lot to be encouraged about after that one.
Gotta patch up some defensive issues, but this could be a fun season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 20, 2020 22:34:07 GMT -5
Well that was fun and we're just going to get better!
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Post by philarhody on Sept 20, 2020 22:34:17 GMT -5
That last play call had zero receivers and no backs in the backfield. Way too easy to defend. Great fight by this Patriots team though.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 21, 2020 0:39:12 GMT -5
I loved how Cam looked when he had to throw, his mobility allowed the WRs time to get open and they made plays. I do wonder why it took so long for them to do that given Seattle was all about stopping the run.
They need to think about some different formations, like Asiasi didn't run a route that from what I watched. Just blocking plays. Myers only played a handful of plays. Use the line, his mobility while spreading it out. Pass out of two TE sets, not just run. Yeah they have been very predictable, yet that might be a limited training camp with a new QB and a bunch of new players. Hopefully this game has them open up the playbook.
I don't think the D played that bad. They got pressure all night, yet Wilson is a handful. Two TDs were just unreal throws, tip your hat and move on. Two were great play calls and the type of crap we didn't do. Yet I'm surprised Bill is still only playing two or three DL guys. If he keeps doing that it's going to be like last year where teams just run on you.
WTF happened to Metcalf? Guy was supposed to be just a straight line speed guy, yet he's cutting like he's Randy Moss. The whole league got that wrong, he's the Gronk of WRs.
I can't wait for Harris to come back.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 21, 2020 6:14:05 GMT -5
That was a nice performance by Cam last night. Would have been perfect if he didn’t overthrow, ever so slightly, Jules in the end zone on the 3rd to last play. It was a tough throw so this was meant to highlight him not diminish him. I am more encouraged for this team offensively after last night, Cam does give the receivers, who aren’t very good, a chance to get open, both by extending plays and keeping linebackers in check.
The defense however worries me. They basically have no linebackers outside I’d Bentley right now and he’s not that good. At least not yet.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 21, 2020 10:10:16 GMT -5
Bentley is definitely miscast as an every down LB. They really need to find that guy (whether it be Uche, Copeland or someone outside the org).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 21, 2020 13:27:50 GMT -5
Bentley isn't an every down player, yet I think we didn't take into account the how big of an issue a short camp with no preseason games and no joint practices really was. Across the board very few rookies doing anything on this team. Uche hasn't even been active yet and Jennings just played like three snaps. Overall I think that's a good thing as it gives you upside as the year goes along.
I don't get the they have no LBs outside of Bentley though, all they play are LBers. They played seven of them last game and had Phillips act like a LB also. Are we being confused because they put so many of them on the line and then drop them back? Like Bentley and Phillips were the only two who spent much of the game in typical LB spots, yet that's the D and it changes weekly. The one thing this team has is tons of LBers, heck I'd argue they have too many and need more DL before saying they don't have enough LBers. Bentley has the most experience which is likely why he's playing so much, as times goes by I'd assume he plays less and less.
Things look good, Miami just gave the Bills everything they could handle and it took a late 4th quarter drive to get the win. Shows you how good Williams was on there TE because he was big in that game. Yet then also didn't play much last night because the Seahawks don't have good TEs.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 21, 2020 14:23:55 GMT -5
Our LBs are probably better broken down as:
Edge - Simon, Winovich, Calhoun and Rivers (maybe Wise too?) ILB - Bentley, Maluia (Bentley, for sure, is ILB but is being used in multiple formations like a Move) Move - Copeland, Jennings and Uche (though Copeland has been almost exclusively ILB).
So if you group all of them as LBs, looks like we have tons. So maybe it's better to say we need more (or more out of) Move LBs.
EDIT - TBC, I don't actually consider Wise and LB but he does play Edge so I mentioned him).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 21, 2020 15:58:29 GMT -5
Wise is not a LB, he's DL one of the few we have. I'm not a big fan of trying to determine roles because the Patriots will do a bunch of things with these guys and it changes weekly.
Yet call them ILB or Move, which for last game looked like Bentley, Copeland and Phillips. They gave you 16 tackles and the only big play was that call the announcers said they almost never do with Carson for a TD. What was the issues with them?
Our DL only had seven tackles total, isn't that a bigger issue? The fact they always allow a RB to get to the second level? You don't have your MLB or move guys close to the line with Wilson expecting runs, you worry about him throwing it. We got good pressure, heck if it was Brady we'd have had like 6 sacks.
Yet if you are playing one, two, or three DL guys with zero massive 350 beasts you're in trouble no? It's then 300 plus pound OL guys going against our 250 pound LBers. Even with all our LBers last year and Shelton we'd get run on because Bill played one, two and three DL, with three not happening a good amount of the time.
What am I missing? Last night sure looked like our CBs got beat by a great QB, who avoided sacks all night long, with a bunch of great play calls they basically never used before. Along with the lack of DL allowing the RB to always get to the second level. Yet seems like the plan, they wanted the Seahawks to run it and not throw.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 21, 2020 16:13:51 GMT -5
You might not be a fan of breaking them out like that but that’s basically how the team looks at it. Yes the scheme changes each week but you still need those roles filled. I referenced linebacker specifically, but the whole front 7 is an issue. I agree with you the big guys are a problem but I think there are at least bodies there that could do the job. At the middle linebacker spot, they basically have no one unless Bentley is going to become a different player, which is possible. I remember Hightower played and looked really slow until he was comfortable
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 21, 2020 16:14:48 GMT -5
Oh and I really hope Duggar can take over for Phillips.
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