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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 4, 2021 13:35:35 GMT -5
This probably belongs in an offseason folder, but I don't see one so... Anyone else concerned about possibly losing both Caserio and McDaniels this offseason? Not that I'm a huge McDaniels fan, but if/when Bill calls it a career it would be good for the team to have some continuity in the upper levels of the organization. Almost positive Caserio signed a contract extension after all that nonsense with Houston so he’s not going anywhere in all likelihood. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jan 4, 2021 14:17:04 GMT -5
Caserio can leave if the title is a promotion, and since Bill has final say he'll be able to go if he runs the show elsewhere.
I'd like to see Bill bring back Dimitroff and maybe Bob Quinn, assuming they don't get better jobs elsewhere. They're guys who have been in his system and know what Bill wants, but also have run the show themselves in a different system and can maybe bring some new ideas or evaluations. I'd also like to see a few more established positional coaches added, at least one on both sides of the ball. This was Bill's least impressive coaching staff in a long time, even with Popovich and Bricillo doing a fantastic job replacing Scar. Hopefully Troy Brown continues to take a bigger role and Mayo sticks around for years to come.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 4, 2021 15:06:29 GMT -5
Caserio can leave if the title is a promotion, and since Bill has final say he'll be able to go if he runs the show elsewhere. I'd like to see Bill bring back Dimitroff and maybe Bob Quinn, assuming they don't get better jobs elsewhere. They're guys who have been in his system and know what Bill wants, but also have run the show themselves in a different system and can maybe bring some new ideas or evaluations. I'd also like to see a few more established positional coaches added, at least one on both sides of the ball. This was Bill's least impressive coaching staff in a long time, even with Popovich and Bricillo doing a fantastic job replacing Scar. Hopefully Troy Brown continues to take a bigger role and Mayo sticks around for years to come. I’ve seen that thrown around but he wasn’t able to leave for the Houston GM job last year and the same thing was said and then he signed a contract extension so I would be shocked if he left. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jan 4, 2021 15:25:37 GMT -5
Caserio can leave if the title is a promotion, and since Bill has final say he'll be able to go if he runs the show elsewhere. I'd like to see Bill bring back Dimitroff and maybe Bob Quinn, assuming they don't get better jobs elsewhere. They're guys who have been in his system and know what Bill wants, but also have run the show themselves in a different system and can maybe bring some new ideas or evaluations. I'd also like to see a few more established positional coaches added, at least one on both sides of the ball. This was Bill's least impressive coaching staff in a long time, even with Popovich and Bricillo doing a fantastic job replacing Scar. Hopefully Troy Brown continues to take a bigger role and Mayo sticks around for years to come. I’ve seen that thrown around but he wasn’t able to leave for the Houston GM job last year and the same thing was said and then he signed a contract extension so I would be shocked if he left. I believe Caserio had specific language in his old deal that blocked a move. The league prohibited such contract language this past offseason, so I believe he can walk as long as it's a promotion but I'm not 100% sure. I don't think Houston would've reached out if they knew the Pats could block it. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 4, 2021 19:13:03 GMT -5
I’ve seen that thrown around but he wasn’t able to leave for the Houston GM job last year and the same thing was said and then he signed a contract extension so I would be shocked if he left. I believe Caserio had specific language in his old deal that blocked a move. The league prohibited such contract language this past offseason, so I believe he can walk as long as it's a promotion but I'm not 100% sure. I don't think Houston would've reached out if they knew the Pats could block it. Could be right but it’d be weird for him to sign a contract extension in the final year of his deal, after all that, if he were just going to walk. Anything is possible though. I shouldn’t have said I’d be shocked because I don’t think much does that these days. |
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Post by mobaz on Jan 5, 2021 4:37:21 GMT -5
The Eagles are a mess with the cap, have an expensive QB who was atrocious sell year, have a young QB who didn't answer any of the questions about him coming out of college (in limited action), and now have external pressure and internal mutiny for throwing their last game.
I'd rather the Pats have a higher pick, and it would have been more than fair to play Stidham for both developmental and winning reasons. But the team played with pride to the end, and it was very important to them to be winners trying to win. The questions lingering over the Eagles from tanking don't seem worth a 3 pick jump.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 5, 2021 7:43:42 GMT -5
He was just about the best punt returner in the game at the time so making the roster wasn't a question. And he risked losing him for small dollars based on BB's thinking. IMO But he didn’t because nobody offered more (or at least a significant amount more). So at the end of the day while it sucks for Jules it was smart of BB People were writing roster bubble articles about him at some point, I bet I could find one. Same on rooting against the pats lol Always smart of BB to get guys on cheaper contracts but I thought at the time their was a real chance of losing him and I was already a big fan. He looked great subbing for Wes that year. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 5, 2021 9:14:27 GMT -5
But he didn’t because nobody offered more (or at least a significant amount more). So at the end of the day while it sucks for Jules it was smart of BB People were writing roster bubble articles about him at some point, I bet I could find one. Same on rooting against the pats lol Always smart of BB to get guys on cheaper contracts but I thought at the time their was a real chance of losing him and I was already a big fan. He looked great subbing for Wes that year. Yeah he did. He was just so much more dynamic with the ball in his hands, I was begging for him to come back REALLY glad he did ha |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 5, 2021 11:54:19 GMT -5
Well the Eagles team was fine when they inserted Hurts for Wentz. It was a rational move. You don't lose the team when you make rational moves. Pulling your second string guy, who you were playing to develop him and see what he could do for your third string guy isn't something people see as rational. Especially when your third string guy is Sudfield. That's the Patriots inserting Hoyer over Newton, not Stidham. Heck that's not even as bad as Hoyer is a better player. That's a move that makes no sense and only purpose is trying to lose and players hate that crap. So I just don't see the comparison.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 5, 2021 13:17:38 GMT -5
Well the Eagles team was fine when they inserted Hurts for Wentz. It was a rational move. You don't lose the team when you make rational moves. Pulling your second string guy, who you were playing to develop him and see what he could do for your third string guy isn't something people see as rational. Especially when your third string guy is Sudfield. That's the Patriots inserting Hoyer over Newton, not Stidham. Heck that's not even as bad as Hoyer is a better player. That's a move that makes no sense and only purpose is trying to lose and players hate that crap. So I just don't see the comparison. I wasn't intending a comparison to playing Stidham. The comparison I was attempting was that a bad Patriots team with nothing to play for but draft position and a QB future in question ended on a strong note, with the players proud of playing to win, while a bad Eagles team with nothing for but draft position and a QB future in question moved up 3 spots in the draft but got 3 days (and counting) worth of bad headlines and a bad taste in the mouths of players, plus no better developmental answers. I still think you could play Stidham and be playing to win, but BB obviously though Cam gave them the best chance to win (as he is fond of saying) and the team ended positively because of it. I'm of the thought that some proposed here that either Stidham just doesn't have the goods in practice, or more likely that he hasn't "earned" it on the practice field or in the QB room and it would have negative effects on chemistry to reward that. He very well might have Mallettitis though we haven't heard it if so. Honestly Doug Peterson might have been doing the opposite, "rewarding" a hard working 3rd string QB with some game reps at the end of a long season. But what a spectacular backfire for what sounds like 53 other guys in the locker room. I don't necessarily have a problem with the thought process, but the results of Peterson's choices have been spectacular failures. "Play to win, every time" seems like an easier sell even if it's an oversimplification of what the Pats do. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 5, 2021 14:06:49 GMT -5
I don't care about negative media reports, I do care if you lose your team as a coach. If I was an Eagle fan the negative media is nothing, the player revolt is a big problem. Putting in your third stringer over Wentz and the comments right after that game how the relationship is broken are the issues. Not media reports because they tanked, no one will remember those next year. It's a big problem when you basically can't trade or release Wentz because of his massive amount of dead money.
As for the Patriots players feeling good, I could care less frankly. They beat a crappy team. Now if Newton comes back next year, I get it. That has meaning, if your moving on, I don't see it. Playing Stidham and him winning a game could have been the best thing for the team. Imagine the positive media reports if he starts and wins?
Time will hopefully give us some answers about what this was with Stidham. If he just sucks, it makes sense. If it's something else, like he was in the dog house or Bill just loved Newton even though he's moving on, it doesn't. You never want to play to not win, yet you also can do that in different ways. I thought it was very smart of the Eagles to play Hurts to see what they had. I think it was also crazy stupid to remove him, not for Wentz yet a third stringer. That might cost the coach his job.
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Post by ramireja on Jan 5, 2021 14:10:51 GMT -5
Checking out some end-of-season stats and there are some bizarre ones.
The only NE player to throw more TD than INT on the year? Jakobi Meyers with 2 TD to 0 INT. Newton, Stidham, and Hoyer each with more INT than TD.
Also from the Jakobi Meyers file: 2 passes thrown all year leading to 2 TDs thrown; 59 receptions leading to 0 TD caught
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Post by costpet on Jan 5, 2021 17:26:10 GMT -5
Just read that BB is making $20 million a year to coach the Pats. Not all the money comes from them. Some come from other companies Kraft owns. So, I don't think he's going anywhere.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 5, 2021 20:28:54 GMT -5
Looks like Cassario is on his way out the door.
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