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Patriots 2020 season thread
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Post by cdj on Dec 31, 2020 12:54:48 GMT -5
I think he got Newton BECAUSE Stidham sucked
I do not understand what people see in the guy.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 31, 2020 12:59:11 GMT -5
I will never understand the ego it takes to believe we know what ANY other team would do. Let alone EVERY other team.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 31, 2020 13:03:41 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 31, 2020 14:29:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure why mid-July matters to be honest, you don't play games then, and we have evidence since then that suggests otherwise. To compare it to baseball, I don't view the current hole in the Red Sox CF as evidence that the Red Sox are high on Verdugo as the every day CF, he's just the best option currently as the roster building phase is ongoing. Pretend the Patriots did believe Stidham was good enough to be the starter in July, and only signed Cam because the value was too good. What happened after that checkpoint? Hoyer won the backup job. Hoyer didn't become a new guy during camp, and Stidham was able to beat him out the year before as a rookie. Either Stidham regressed on the field, which is bad, or he wasn't carrying himself the right way and Bill wanted to send a message, which is also bad. For the record, I'm not arguing that Cam is in his way, I'm arguing the opposite - Stidham is in his own way. I'm leaning toward believing Stidham's own lack of development is the problem for Bill, rather than belief/loyalty to Cam. Fans think Stidham should get the job by default because of Cam's struggles, but it feels like Cam is only keeping the job by default because Stidham and Hoyer are just lesser options. I'd prefer to watch Stidham against the Jets fwiw, but I do think Stidham has the power to earn the job but simply hasn't done enough (again, in Bill's opinion). I don't believe this is a situation where Cam would always win out regardless of the other options, if Jalen Hurts was the backup instead of Stidham I'd guess we'd be seeing a lot of Hurts for example. Only reason July matters is because if you're looking for a starting QB for the upcoming season the the start of free agency (March) or the draft (April) would generally be the best time to do it. That they passed on both says they were comfortable with their QB situation through June. To your point that opinion could have changed, but the players didn't change so it's hard to reconcile how they could have been so far off in their assessment. For the record, I don't necessarily see anything in Stidham. I just don't love the idea of another year of Cam and Stidham is the only other option for 2021 on the current roster, so I'd like to see one full game where he gets a chance to show what he has when it (sort of) matters. Or they did the math and assumed one of Newton or Winston would be available for a short money contract because there wasn’t going to be a spot for them and they just waited it out. Not saying it’s the case but it’s a distinct possibility. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 31, 2020 15:00:43 GMT -5
This whole Stidham thing isn't rational. Whatever is going on isn't based on rational thought. That seems very clear, every team besides the Patriots would have played the young guy last game the minute you were eliminated given Newton's performance. What's funny is going back and reading Bill in regards to Cassel. How when he actually started, was the starter for a full week, how it changed Bill's opinion of him. Bill basically admits it wasn't till that point he believed he was a true NFL starter and it was things you only got to see by him being the starter. A leadership role a backup can't have, inserting plays he likes and getting rid of ones he doesn't, taking control of the offense in a way he couldn't as a backup. So your back to loyalty, Newton taking a small deal during a pandemic, giving 100%. Newton talking about getting up at 4am. Bill feeling he owes Newton and his hard work deserves he plays and gets his bonus money. Or maybe Bill holds a grudge because Stidham got injured during camp and the QB competition was basically over in a few days because of that. There were rumblings of people being upset, yet also reports it was a legit injury that he went to the hospital for. So I didn't pay much attention to it. Yet Bill has a long history of holding these crazy grudges over little things. That former Notre Dame running back years ago that went off for 200 plus yards only to get released a few weeks later because he overslept one day when his phone died. Harris last year because he wasn't ready during camp was in the doghouse all year. You can't overlook how much they liked him, how if not for Newton signing for a million Stidham is your QB. Bill isn't crazy, he wasn't going to go with Stidham if he truly thought he sucked. So something happened and I don't think Stidham just became bad with no upside. I can buy the he's in the doghouse for some stupid reason. I don't buy Stidham isn't a hard worker either, that goes against most reports. I don't see a guy like James White talking up Stidham if he's not a hard worker. You don't pick up the Patriots offense quickly without working crazy hard. The only part I disagree with is your first sentence. It’s rational, we just don’t know Bills rationale. We also may not agree with whatever it is, but it most certainly is rational. I love Bill, yet the guy makes mistakes. Just because he might think something's rational doesn't make it rational overall. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 31, 2020 15:26:34 GMT -5
Only reason July matters is because if you're looking for a starting QB for the upcoming season the the start of free agency (March) or the draft (April) would generally be the best time to do it. That they passed on both says they were comfortable with their QB situation through June. To your point that opinion could have changed, but the players didn't change so it's hard to reconcile how they could have been so far off in their assessment. For the record, I don't necessarily see anything in Stidham. I just don't love the idea of another year of Cam and Stidham is the only other option for 2021 on the current roster, so I'd like to see one full game where he gets a chance to show what he has when it (sort of) matters. Or they did the math and assumed one of Newton or Winston would be available for a short money contract because there wasn’t going to be a spot for them and they just waited it out. Not saying it’s the case but it’s a distinct possibility. By that logic then they would have been fine with Hoyer and Stidham then. As both those guys could have easily been signed for more money. Which was his point, they were fine till Newton took a deal that shocked most people. I mean Andy Dalton got 3 million to be a backup. I don't think it was a distinct possibility that assumed they could get a starting level QB for a million dollars. So they paid Thuney and McCourty. That seems rather far fetched. They also didn't draft a guy, so on some level Bill liked Stidham and something happened. Walk me through Bills thought process if they didn't like Stidham? I'm not going to draft a guy, even a low round guy, I'm not trading for anyone, I'm just going to hope a starting level QB has no other options and signs for a million dollars? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 31, 2020 18:05:44 GMT -5
The only part I disagree with is your first sentence. It’s rational, we just don’t know Bills rationale. We also may not agree with whatever it is, but it most certainly is rational. I love Bill, yet the guy makes mistakes. Just because he might think something's rational doesn't make it rational overall. Someone being wrong isn’t the same as not being rational. The literal definition of rational is based in logic or reason. You’ll have to do a lot of convincing to me that Bill doesn’t operate in that realm. Again, you can be wrong and rational. Those aren’t independent things. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 31, 2020 18:26:43 GMT -5
Or they did the math and assumed one of Newton or Winston would be available for a short money contract because there wasn’t going to be a spot for them and they just waited it out. Not saying it’s the case but it’s a distinct possibility. By that logic then they would have been fine with Hoyer and Stidham then. As both those guys could have easily been signed for more money. Which was his point, they were fine till Newton took a deal that shocked most people. I mean Andy Dalton got 3 million to be a backup. I don't think it was a distinct possibility that assumed they could get a starting level QB for a million dollars. So they paid Thuney and McCourty. That seems rather far fetched. They also didn't draft a guy, so on some level Bill liked Stidham and something happened. Walk me through Bills thought process if they didn't like Stidham? I'm not going to draft a guy, even a low round guy, I'm not trading for anyone, I'm just going to hope a starting level QB has no other options and signs for a million dollars? Maybe you are right and Bill loved Stidham as a starter so he went out and signed a guy dirt cheap, who’d been hurt for years, that no one wanted and stuck with him all year while he struggled versus starting Stidham, at all, even when Cam went out with COVID. That definitely seems more plausible than something like: there aren’t any free agents that I feel are great so worst case, I roll with Hoyer who can manage a game and play our system, maybe Stidham takes a leap and he starts and we can sign one of the left over veterans who we don’t love once the dust settles. Don’t be fooled by Stidham “winning the number 2 Job” last year. The Pats had every intention of resigning Hoyer - they were shocked when Indy gave him that contract and they lost him. They miscalculated. I’m not saying it’s the case but it’s certainly a possible outlook Bill could have had. |
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Post by cdj on Dec 31, 2020 22:09:24 GMT -5
Harris was injured for part of last year and couldn’t pass block. Kinda an issue when you want to protect a 42 year old QB. He came in this year looking like a beast and was eventually rewarded for it They break a lot of young guys in slowly if they feel they need to. It’s not like Belichick is scared to play rookies- Kyle Dugger has seemingly been on the field non-stop lately, as has a guy like Ownenu. He’s not gonna play you if you’re not ready. I mean just look at Froholdt vs Onwenu for example. 4th round lineman he tried to hide as much as humanly possible vs 6th round lineman that got immediate time. You earn your snaps with him Now what’s more likely- They went out and signed Newton to a nothing contract and HAD to play him just because or Stidham sucks and they weren’t confident in him? Judging by what we’ve seen on the field the answer is an absolute no-brainer in my opinion but I mean some people prefer to live in a world of belichick conspiracy Stidham is just not good. He’s panicky, he makes bad reads, he makes late reads- he throws a good/catchable ball. That’s about it. Sometimes that sucks because it just makes it easier on the defender he’s seemingly throwing to on every 3rd dropback. I have just as much faith in him throwing the ball as I do in Newton. At least Cam went for 390 against the seahawks, it’s not a lock stidham gets there in his entire career patriotswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/30/patriots-jarrett-stidham-bill-belichick-not-starting-reality/heavy.com/sports/new-england-patriots/bill-belichick-jarrett-stidham-comments/ |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 1, 2021 1:35:25 GMT -5
Harris was injured for part of last year and couldn’t pass block. Kinda an issue when you want to protect a 42 year old QB. He came in this year looking like a beast and was eventually rewarded for it They break a lot of young guys in slowly if they feel they need to. It’s not like Belichick is scared to play rookies- Kyle Dugger has seemingly been on the field non-stop lately, as has a guy like Ownenu. He’s not gonna play you if you’re not ready. I mean just look at Froholdt vs Onwenu for example. 4th round lineman he tried to hide as much as humanly possible vs 6th round lineman that got immediate time. You earn your snaps with him Now what’s more likely- They went out and signed Newton to a nothing contract and HAD to play him just because or Stidham sucks and they weren’t confident in him? Judging by what we’ve seen on the field the answer is an absolute no-brainer in my opinion but I mean some people prefer to live in a world of belichick conspiracy Stidham is just not good. He’s panicky, he makes bad reads, he makes late reads- he throws a good/catchable ball. That’s about it. Sometimes that sucks because it just makes it easier on the defender he’s seemingly throwing to on every 3rd dropback. I have just as much faith in him throwing the ball as I do in Newton. At least Cam went for 390 against the seahawks, it’s not a lock stidham gets there in his entire career patriotswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/30/patriots-jarrett-stidham-bill-belichick-not-starting-reality/heavy.com/sports/new-england-patriots/bill-belichick-jarrett-stidham-comments/Harris had a minor injury before the first preseason game, let's not act like it was injuries. He didn't go on injured reserve. So when did Harris improve his pass blocking? He was basically the number #1 RB all camp long. It doesn't take over a full year to work on that, he was in the dog house. It's funny because Stidham also suffered an injury during camp and it seems like we're seeing the same exact thing. So for Newton who played what 14 games he's better because he had a few good ones. Yet Stidham with zero starts and barely playing is horrible. Nevermind the game plans for Newton wouldn't be the ones for Stidham. I think I'll reserve my judgement till I see him play at least one full game. Most young QBs are jumpy at first, they need to adjust to the speed of the NFL. I love Stidham's arm talent and football IQ. Likely the best ball all year with that TD to Harry. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 1, 2021 1:46:14 GMT -5
I love Bill, yet the guy makes mistakes. Just because he might think something's rational doesn't make it rational overall. Someone being wrong isn’t the same as not being rational. The literal definition of rational is based in logic or reason. You’ll have to do a lot of convincing to me that Bill doesn’t operate in that realm. Again, you can be wrong and rational. Those aren’t independent things. I think it's very fair to say not starting Stidham when eliminated from the playoffs isn't rational given Newton's performance so far. Especially when Patriot captains are praising him, so it's not the team doesn't respect him type thing. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 1, 2021 2:01:06 GMT -5
By that logic then they would have been fine with Hoyer and Stidham then. As both those guys could have easily been signed for more money. Which was his point, they were fine till Newton took a deal that shocked most people. I mean Andy Dalton got 3 million to be a backup. I don't think it was a distinct possibility that assumed they could get a starting level QB for a million dollars. So they paid Thuney and McCourty. That seems rather far fetched. They also didn't draft a guy, so on some level Bill liked Stidham and something happened. Walk me through Bills thought process if they didn't like Stidham? I'm not going to draft a guy, even a low round guy, I'm not trading for anyone, I'm just going to hope a starting level QB has no other options and signs for a million dollars? Maybe you are right and Bill loved Stidham as a starter so he went out and signed a guy dirt cheap, who’d been hurt for years, that no one wanted and stuck with him all year while he struggled versus starting Stidham, at all, even when Cam went out with COVID. That definitely seems more plausible than something like: there aren’t any free agents that I feel are great so worst case, I roll with Hoyer who can manage a game and play our system, maybe Stidham takes a leap and he starts and we can sign one of the left over veterans who we don’t love once the dust settles. Don’t be fooled by Stidham “winning the number 2 Job” last year. The Pats had every intention of resigning Hoyer - they were shocked when Indy gave him that contract and they lost him. They miscalculated. I’m not saying it’s the case but it’s certainly a possible outlook Bill could have had. I have no idea what happened this year and what is currently going on. It's a mystery to me, that I'm sure we'll get more information on down the road. Yet I think it's very safe to say before the season started they like Stidham a lot and heck maybe they still do. Maybe Stidham has that one issue Bill wants fixed before he wanted to start him. Maybe Bill now thinks he sucks, it's a possibility. Yet this feels like something else. This feels like Harris, he's in the doghouse for some reason or Bill feels like he owes Newton given his hard work. I don't buy that Hoyer take. You don't risk your number 2 QB for a roster spot, yet you would for your #3. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 1, 2021 2:06:11 GMT -5
Belichick is literally telling you he has seen enough in practice to know what he’s got and if he’s starting Newton this week- who clearly doesn’t have a long future here- then that tells you everything you need to know. You are hearing hooves in the distance and thinking zebras instead of horses. He had a bad camp according to a lot of the beat guys and he looks bad whenever he’s out there.
He probably just stinks! And that’s ok! Can’t hit on every 4th rounder
From what I’ve seen I’m willing to bet the house he’s not an effective NFL QB.
Unless they really do think he’s the future and he’s getting the Aaron Rodgers seasoning. But Cam ain’t helping them win and they wanted to get into the playoffs this year so I have a feeling if he was any good he would have been in there after Newton’s 5th or 6th trash game
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 1, 2021 7:02:25 GMT -5
It’s always fascinating which reports people (including myself) choose to put all their stock in and which ones they utterly dismiss. Some reports are true and some aren’t so it makes sense; it’s just fascinating when we don’t know which are which.
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Post by costpet on Jan 1, 2021 8:07:54 GMT -5
The bottom line is that Stidham is not as good as Cam, and Cam isn't very good anymore. You have no chance to win without a good one. So, he'd better find one in the next draft or you can forget 2021. Anything else is just noise.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 1, 2021 9:00:10 GMT -5
The bottom line is that Stidham is not as good as Cam, and Cam isn't very good anymore. You have no chance to win without a good one. So, he'd better find one in the next draft or you can forget 2021. Anything else is just noise. Nick Foles disagrees with you. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 1, 2021 11:04:24 GMT -5
Belichick is literally telling you he has seen enough in practice to know what he’s got and if he’s starting Newton this week- who clearly doesn’t have a long future here- then that tells you everything you need to know. You are hearing hooves in the distance and thinking zebras instead of horses. He had a bad camp according to a lot of the beat guys and he looks bad whenever he’s out there. He probably just stinks! And that’s ok! Can’t hit on every 4th rounder From what I’ve seen I’m willing to bet the house he’s not an effective NFL QB. Unless they really do think he’s the future and he’s getting the Aaron Rodgers seasoning. But Cam ain’t helping them win and they wanted to get into the playoffs this year so I have a feeling if he was any good he would have been in there after Newton’s 5th or 6th trash game Yeah, I think what you're saying is valid and I'm not trying to say I know what's going on. I don't think anyone outside the organization knows right now. My point is that both Cam and Stidham stink today, but Cam is 32 and Stidham is 24. Cam's past the point where there's upside. I don't think anything will fix the 8-yard passes that he only throws 5 yards. Stidham could get better. He's only been in 5 games in BS situations against 5 pretty good defenses. As a fan, I don't think I can judge him based on what he's done on the field. You're right that he's a 4th round pick, so no harm if he doesn't work out. I just don't see how the team goes into the offseason with their QB situation without seeing Stidham in a full game. From the outside, that seems like a critical data point that they can easily get and they're just not interested. And I’m right there with you in understanding the logic and wanting to see Stidham for Sunday- just for the sole fact I want to see what Harry can do in a game with a QB that can kind of throw the ball But it’s awfully telling that they’re not interested in getting that data point. That’s more or less what I’m getting at |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jan 1, 2021 13:12:20 GMT -5
Harris had an injury in camp last year. It was minor, but rookies that miss time in camp fall behind initially. The Patriots had Sony, White, Burkhead, and Bolden all active when healthy, and due to roster construction adding a 5th active RB each week wasn't sustainable. Bolden played a core ST role and Harris couldn't fill that role. White and Burkhead were key in the passing game and weren't going to be deactivated for an untested rookie. Sony was the realistic guy to deactivate, and while he struggled last year he was a season removed from turning it on down the stretch and helping them win a championship. The bold move wasn't to bench Harris, it would've been to demote Sony and roll with Harris at the time. Yes, you can argue the Patriots could've activated all five, but remember both him and Sony wouldn't be contributing to the passing game, and after Andrews and both FB's went down the Patriots had a hard time running the ball. How many carries could each get, and would a 50/50 share get the best out of either player? Taking away from another roster spot in order to "upgrade" from your 2nd year first round pick with your 3rd round unproven rookie isn't some obvious move. If this was the Steven Jackson year when the Pats had trash RB's I guarantee Harris would've got opportunities, but they had a veteran group with established roles.
Vereen and White didn't play much as rookies either. They ended up having very successful careers, and now Harris looks like a legit player too. JJ Taylor is hopefully on a similar development plan. So while we can question if these guys could've contributed more as rookies, Bill ultimately developed Vereen and White effectively. I think too often fans and media rationalize strange or unpopular moves by Belichick as being caused by his "ego". If by ego you mean his supreme confidence in his own opinions and decision making, sure. But if you agree he's one of, if not the best coach of all time, don't you want him to trust his own judgment rather than defaulting to groupthink? He'll make his share of mistakes, but the process has been consistent.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 1, 2021 13:24:52 GMT -5
Belichick is literally telling you he has seen enough in practice to know what he’s got and if he’s starting Newton this week- who clearly doesn’t have a long future here- then that tells you everything you need to know. You are hearing hooves in the distance and thinking zebras instead of horses. He had a bad camp according to a lot of the beat guys and he looks bad whenever he’s out there. He probably just stinks! And that’s ok! Can’t hit on every 4th rounder From what I’ve seen I’m willing to bet the house he’s not an effective NFL QB. Unless they really do think he’s the future and he’s getting the Aaron Rodgers seasoning. But Cam ain’t helping them win and they wanted to get into the playoffs this year so I have a feeling if he was any good he would have been in there after Newton’s 5th or 6th trash game Wait Bill came out and said that? The report about practice we were talking about was McDaniels and he also said it was Bills choice. Is there a new report or are you just twisting up the old one to fit your narrative? Given McDaniels past comments about Stidham, don't you think it's at least possible given he never said what he saw was good or bad, yet has said many very good things about Stidham this year. That his meaning wasn't he sucks. It was he's seen enough to know he's just fine, yet he's not playing because Bill has the final say and he picked Newton? |
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Post by cdj on Jan 1, 2021 13:33:15 GMT -5
Belichick is literally telling you he has seen enough in practice to know what he’s got and if he’s starting Newton this week- who clearly doesn’t have a long future here- then that tells you everything you need to know. You are hearing hooves in the distance and thinking zebras instead of horses. He had a bad camp according to a lot of the beat guys and he looks bad whenever he’s out there. He probably just stinks! And that’s ok! Can’t hit on every 4th rounder From what I’ve seen I’m willing to bet the house he’s not an effective NFL QB. Unless they really do think he’s the future and he’s getting the Aaron Rodgers seasoning. But Cam ain’t helping them win and they wanted to get into the playoffs this year so I have a feeling if he was any good he would have been in there after Newton’s 5th or 6th trash game Wait Bill came out and said that? The report about practice we were talking about was McDaniels and he also said it was Bills choice. Is there a new report or are you just twisting up the old one to fit your narrative? Given McDaniels past comments about Stidham, don't you think it's at least possible given he never said what he saw was good or bad, yet has said many very good things about Stidham this year. That his meaning wasn't he sucks. It was he's seen enough to know he's just fine, yet he's not playing because Bill has the final say and he picked Newton? You quoted a post of mine with a link to Belichick’s comments on OMF, it’s the heavy link. See for yourself He just stinks. It is what it is. I think any other conclusion is by far less likely. It seems like you’re not going to accept that unless he comes out and blatantly throws Stidham under the bus, which he’s not going to do |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 1, 2021 13:36:20 GMT -5
Harris had an injury in camp last year. It was minor, but rookies that miss time in camp fall behind initially. The Patriots had Sony, White, Burkhead, and Bolden all active when healthy, and due to roster construction adding a 5th active RB each week wasn't sustainable. Bolden played a core ST role and Harris couldn't fill that role. White and Burkhead were key in the passing game and weren't going to be deactivated for an untested rookie. Sony was the realistic guy to deactivate, and while he struggled last year he was a season removed from turning it on down the stretch and helping them win a championship. The bold move wasn't to bench Harris, it would've been to demote Sony and roll with Harris at the time. Yes, you can argue the Patriots could've activated all five, but remember both him and Sony wouldn't be contributing to the passing game, and after Andrews and both FB's went down the Patriots had a hard time running the ball. How many carries could each get, and would a 50/50 share get the best out of either player? Taking away from another roster spot in order to "upgrade" from your 2nd year first round pick with your 3rd round unproven rookie isn't some obvious move. If this was the Steven Jackson year when the Pats had trash RB's I guarantee Harris would've got opportunities, but they had a veteran group with established roles. Vereen and White didn't play much as rookies either. They ended up having very successful careers, and now Harris looks like a legit player too. JJ Taylor is hopefully on a similar development plan. So while we can question if these guys could've contributed more as rookies, Bill ultimately developed Vereen and White effectively. I think too often fans and media rationalize strange or unpopular moves by Belichick as being caused by his "ego". If by ego you mean his supreme confidence in his own opinions and decision making, sure. But if you agree he's one of, if not the best coach of all time, don't you want him to trust his own judgment rather than defaulting to groupthink? He'll make his share of mistakes, but the process has been consistent. I can agree with that and apply that thinking to Stidham. It wasn't Harris wasn't playing over Michel or others because he wasn't good. It's Bill thought others gave the team a better chance and he wanted to make sure Harris was 100% ready before playing him because he really liked him. Which has basically been my point about this from the start. Yet last year the thought process was Harris must really suck if he can't get playing time over Michel given the way he looked. Yet that proved to be crazy wrong. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 1, 2021 14:15:33 GMT -5
Wait Bill came out and said that? The report about practice we were talking about was McDaniels and he also said it was Bills choice. Is there a new report or are you just twisting up the old one to fit your narrative? Given McDaniels past comments about Stidham, don't you think it's at least possible given he never said what he saw was good or bad, yet has said many very good things about Stidham this year. That his meaning wasn't he sucks. It was he's seen enough to know he's just fine, yet he's not playing because Bill has the final say and he picked Newton? You quoted a post of mine with a link to Belichick’s comments on OMF, it’s the heavy link. See for yourself He just stinks. It is what it is. I think any other conclusion is by far less likely. It seems like you’re not going to accept that unless he comes out and blatantly throws Stidham under the bus, which he’s not going to do Neither post has Bill saying what he said he was saying, it was McDaniels and it's not the full report, with the part right after that saying it's Bill decesion. The Heavy part is about the Jets game and Bill gives his typical half answer, " I think there would be some truth to that" I think you should stick to your Rodgers idea. Stidham has a great arm, great IQ and the respect of his teammates. I think James White knows a thing or two about QBs right? Being comfortable in the pocket is something that can easily improve, yet you either have arm talent or you don't. Yeah I will stick with my glass half full opinion of Stidham till proven otherwise. Why wouldn't you? He's not a Hoyer with a limited ceiling due to arm talent. Even if he's just a good backup that has good value to us. Did you watch Daniel Jones, Rosen, Haskins, etc? A lot of QBs take time to develop, Jones was rather bad his rookie year and still not great. Yet he's also getting better. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 1, 2021 14:35:57 GMT -5
You quoted a post of mine with a link to Belichick’s comments on OMF, it’s the heavy link. See for yourself He just stinks. It is what it is. I think any other conclusion is by far less likely. It seems like you’re not going to accept that unless he comes out and blatantly throws Stidham under the bus, which he’s not going to do Neither post has Bill saying what he said he was saying, it was McDaniels and it's not the full report, with the part right after that saying it's Bill decesion. The Heavy part is about the Jets game and Bill gives his typical half answer, " I think there would be some truth to that" I think you should stick to your Rodgers idea. Stidham has a great arm, great IQ and the respect of his teammates. I think James White knows a thing or two about QBs right? Being comfortable in the pocket is something that can easily improve, yet you either have arm talent or you don't. Yeah I will stick with my glass half full opinion of Stidham till proven otherwise. Why wouldn't you? He's not a Hoyer with a limited ceiling due to arm talent. Even if he's just a good backup that has good value to us. Did you watch Daniel Jones, Rosen, Haskins, etc? A lot of QBs take time to develop, Jones was rather bad his rookie year and still not great. Yet he's also getting better. You are putting way too much stock into what teammates are saying publicly about other teammates when asked. They’re not gonna be like “he’s ok I guess!” I think it’s far more likely that he sucks than anything else. I’m an optimist and a homer too. I guess we will just have to see who is proven correct with time And sure, I have seen those young QBs. Jones flashes on occasion, the other two really haven’t. Stidham hasn’t flashed. He made one good throw on like a 4 yard fade against the chiefs and otherwise was brutal that game. He threw a wide open slant to gunner on a team that had given up. Other than that he’s looked positively terrible and I imagine that a team that was trying to compete with their biggest weakness being QB would have went with him if he was any good He might make the team next year. If they draft a QB early I don’t know if he will. I’d say there’s like a 25% chance they just cut him It’s not like he was even good at Auburn. The system was miserable but still- he wasn’t really standing out at the college level. It’s not a shock that he doesn’t look good At the NFL level I’m willing to evaluate him next year with a (hopefully) full camp but I’m not optimistic |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 2, 2021 7:34:48 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 2, 2021 7:53:05 GMT -5
Neither post has Bill saying what he said he was saying, it was McDaniels and it's not the full report, with the part right after that saying it's Bill decesion. The Heavy part is about the Jets game and Bill gives his typical half answer, " I think there would be some truth to that" I think you should stick to your Rodgers idea. Stidham has a great arm, great IQ and the respect of his teammates. I think James White knows a thing or two about QBs right? Being comfortable in the pocket is something that can easily improve, yet you either have arm talent or you don't. Yeah I will stick with my glass half full opinion of Stidham till proven otherwise. Why wouldn't you? He's not a Hoyer with a limited ceiling due to arm talent. Even if he's just a good backup that has good value to us. Did you watch Daniel Jones, Rosen, Haskins, etc? A lot of QBs take time to develop, Jones was rather bad his rookie year and still not great. Yet he's also getting better. You are putting way too much stock into what teammates are saying publicly about other teammates when asked. They’re not gonna be like “he’s ok I guess!” I think it’s far more likely that he sucks than anything else. I’m an optimist and a homer too. I guess we will just have to see who is proven correct with time And sure, I have seen those young QBs. Jones flashes on occasion, the other two really haven’t. Stidham hasn’t flashed. He made one good throw on like a 4 yard fade against the chiefs and otherwise was brutal that game. He threw a wide open slant to gunner on a team that had given up. Other than that he’s looked positively terrible and I imagine that a team that was trying to compete with their biggest weakness being QB would have went with him if he was any good He might make the team next year. If they draft a QB early I don’t know if he will. I’d say there’s like a 25% chance they just cut him It’s not like he was even good at Auburn. The system was miserable but still- he wasn’t really standing out at the college level. It’s not a shock that he doesn’t look good At the NFL level I’m willing to evaluate him next year with a (hopefully) full camp but I’m not optimistic Given that Bill basically talks in riddles, usually never giving you anything. I've found what teammates say to be the best information on young QBs over the years. It's what they say, sure you don't expect negative crap, yet Stidham has gotten much more than your standard he's doing fine stuff. Much more in line with Cassel and Hoyer, the crap you didn't hear about guys like Mallet. Brooks last year, how he can see major improvement, White can see him being a starter when he gets his chance. Maybe it's me hearing what I want. Yet Stidham has gotten a ton of that. At the minimum he's earned his teammates respect and that's big for a young QB. Against the Chiefs Stidham showed exactly what we've needed all year. The pass interference call was him throwing a receiver open. Something Newton hasn't shown all year. Plus the ability to throw a TD inside the ten yard line, again throwing a WR open. He surely hasn't looked great in limited action, yet those types of timing plays show his upside as a passer. He gets our offense and can make plays that we need. He just needs more experience, he's got those jumpy feet so many young QBs have. Yet time and time again we've seen QBs fix that. Sorry yet your not an optimist, like come on. The guy hasn't started a game, heck he's never even played a full half of football and you've written him off. 2017 Stidham was very good, was talked about as first round pick. 2018 they lost a ton of talent to NFL and he wasn't that great. That's the truth. Kinda crazy your saying your an optimist and then basically making things up to make him seem worse than he was. Looked great in 2019 preseason playing with players he was comfortable with. Building an instant bond with Meyers. This year it's scout team, he's never had a week playing with regulars. Bills doing him zero favors throwing him into games without that. Eagles made Hurts the starter, so he got the best possible chance to succeed. Seeing articles about Bill and Newton's love fest, wish they had more time together. I'm not liking this narrative. Like a short camp, no preseason and Covid is Newton's issue. If anything those issues hurt Stidham and helped Newton. I can literally picture the press conference to announce the Patriots have resigned Newton. I do think the best time to fully judge Stidham will be next preseason after a normal summer of OTAs, a full training camp and four preseason games. If he doesn't show improvement I'll start to agree. If you think he sucks why only 25% chance he gets cut? |
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