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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 27, 2020 17:16:45 GMT -5
I like where our team is going but it's not hard to see why Brady left. The tight ends, receivers and kicking game are well below average. Our offensive and defensive lines as well as the LBs are average. The coaching, secondary and punting/kickoff teams are really the only elite things about this team. The offensive line is elite |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 27, 2020 22:08:32 GMT -5
I like where our team is going but it's not hard to see why Brady left. The tight ends, receivers and kicking game are well below average. Our offensive and defensive lines as well as the LBs are average. The coaching, secondary and punting/kickoff teams are really the only elite things about this team. The offensive line is elite I think thats true if Cannon didn't opt out. And it will be nice when he comes back and we have cap room. But it's too much for me right now to call them elite when we have a couple JAGs starting. Maybe I'll give them above average? I'll admit Onwenu seems like a diamond in the rough... but Eluemenur? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 28, 2020 5:46:10 GMT -5
The offensive line is elite I think thats true if Cannon didn't opt out. And it will be nice when he comes back and we have cap room. But it's too much for me right now to call them elite when we have a couple JAGs starting. Maybe I'll give them above average? I'll admit Onwenu seems like a diamond in the rough... but Eluemenur? Eluemunor has been very good and he’s in a contract year so it seems as tho he’s motivated. Is he an elite lineman? No but no line has 5 elite guys - as a unit they are thus far. It’s easily the strength of the offense. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 28, 2020 8:13:22 GMT -5
Depth is huge in the NFL and the Patriots might have the deepest OL in the NFL.
Thuney at center might be something you want long-term and you can't say enough good things about the two rookies when you have 250 yards rushing.
One huge difference is they are having fun, Cam joking around on the sidelines is something we haven't seen in 20 plus years. Defending his teammates and building them up rather than yelling at them.
Going to be fun to see what they can do against the Chiefs. Like wow one hell of a way to start a year. The easiest game was the Dolphins and they just blew out the Jags, exact opposite of last year.
Anyone else get the feeling we've only seen like 30% of the playbook so far?
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 29, 2020 8:19:04 GMT -5
Wynn was dinged up in practice a few days ago, let's hope it's just something minor. I didn't see Onwenu at RT, just LG. Yet he was impressive. Herron was also impressive because you didn't notice him and that's a great thing for a low round rookie playing LT. Taylor adds a weapon. I haven't seen Michel look that good since his rookie year. Like that's the guy we drafted. Good game against a good team. Was waiting to respond until I saw snap counts. Onwenu did spend the entire game at LG, I must have looked at the end of the play when he was pulling or something on the 3rd series. Took me that long to remember to pay attention to who was starting at center (i missed the first series with lineups). He had played RT in games one and 2 but everyone on the line except Wynn played 100% of the snaps. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 29, 2020 12:01:31 GMT -5
Eluemunor had a clean sheet in the opener (per both Bedard's and Howe's detailed breakdown) but Howe had him for 5 pressures allowed (sacks, hits, hurries) against Seattle and 4 against Raiders.
Still waiting on Bedard's breakdown of Sunday but he had him responsible for a pressure and a run stuff (Howe doesn't track the latter) against Seattle.
They differ greatly on Wynn as well though, again, waiting on Bedard's week 3 update.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 29, 2020 12:23:07 GMT -5
Umm do they track good plays like in the running game? You can't grade a guy just based on a few bad plays.
I'd also point out Newton holds the ball on some plays a crazy long time, unlike Brady with his quick passes. I've always been a big fan of looking at how long guys hold up. Like a hurry or sack after 4-5 seconds isn't the same as in two seconds type stuff. Against the Seahawks he was holding it a crazy long time allowing the WRs to get open.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 29, 2020 18:25:19 GMT -5
Mine wanst an attempt to rebuke the idea that hes doing well. Only demonstrating the inconsistency of info that would be used to support/deny it.
Edit - now if the that data WAS consistent, I'd just ask if you think BB would be happy with an OL who had weeks of 4 and 5 bad plays. I dont know much but feel comfortable saying BB would be looking for better than that.
Edit2 - your comment about Newton could explain some discrepancies. I know Bedard definitely tries to account for stuff like that (which may be why his stats are less critical). Not sure if Howe does that.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 29, 2020 19:13:37 GMT -5
Umm do they track good plays like in the running game? You can't grade a guy just based on a few bad plays. I'd also point out Newton holds the ball on some plays a crazy long time, unlike Brady with his quick passes. I've always been a big fan of looking at how long guys hold up. Like a hurry or sack after 4-5 seconds isn't the same as in two seconds type stuff. Against the Seahawks he was holding it a crazy long time allowing the WRs to get open. Yes Bedard tracks what he calls plus plays |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 29, 2020 20:54:28 GMT -5
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Post by Coreno on Sept 29, 2020 22:37:38 GMT -5
Speaking of how much of the playbook we've seen... What's the over/under on Cam catching a pass trick plays this season?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 29, 2020 23:21:51 GMT -5
Mine wanst an attempt to rebuke the idea that hes doing well. Only demonstrating the inconsistency of info that would be used to support/deny it. Edit - now if the that data WAS consistent, I'd just ask if you think BB would be happy with an OL who had weeks of 4 and 5 bad plays. I dont know much but feel comfortable saying BB would be looking for better than that. Edit2 - your comment about Newton could explain some discrepancies. I know Bedard definitely tries to account for stuff like that (which may be why his stats are less critical). Not sure if Howe does that. For me first it's positive and negative plays, both matter for me. How do you score those plays? Most people are all different. I don't mind coverage hurries and sacks they will always happen. It's the complete miss ones, the quick hurries, the bad penalties which are very negative for me. So for me what are his standards? What is a hurry for him? Does he count all sacks as the same even if one is 2 seconds and one is five seconds? Four or five crazy bad plays is bad. Four to five plays were they are more coverage type things isn't that bad. Add in the positive plays. I'll have to watch him next game. Nothing crazy bad has jumped out just watching the games. I've actually been crazy impressed with the line overall. Yet I was focusing on center and the left side last game. |
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Post by philarhody on Sept 30, 2020 0:32:40 GMT -5
Speaking of how much of the playbook we've seen... What's the over/under on Cam catching a pass trick plays this season? 1.5 |
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Post by mobaz on Sept 30, 2020 4:19:18 GMT -5
Winovich is getting some notice.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 30, 2020 16:08:59 GMT -5
I want to be annoyed that Froholdt didn’t play but when Onwenu was that good it’s hard to be.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 1, 2020 0:50:39 GMT -5
Speaking of how much of the playbook we've seen... What's the over/under on Cam catching a pass trick plays this season? 1.5 I would take that over |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 1, 2020 11:40:36 GMT -5
I want to be annoyed that Froholdt didn’t play but when Onwenu was that good it’s hard to be. Yeah when Onwenu is rated in the top ten of all lineman in the NFL it's certainly more him than Froholdt. As long as Froholdt is at Ted Karras level or better I'm happy. Solid guy who adds good depth, can play multiple positions. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 1, 2020 11:43:02 GMT -5
They started the clock on Gunner and Harris. Three weeks they have to be added to 53 or they are done for the year. They haven't started the clock on Vaughn and Cajuste yet even though they could.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 3, 2020 11:04:56 GMT -5
Cam has the COVID.... game postponed until Tuesday
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 3, 2020 11:37:16 GMT -5
I don't see how you only delay it a few days given how Covid works.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 3, 2020 13:28:25 GMT -5
Not sure what to make of them planning on going with Hoyer over Stidham...
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 3, 2020 14:07:33 GMT -5
I don't see how you only delay it a few days given how Covid works. It gives them time to retest everyone and make sure they are isolated cases. |
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Post by marrcus on Oct 3, 2020 14:36:10 GMT -5
@#$% things were going too well.
Sorry everyone's season wrecked.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 3, 2020 15:23:08 GMT -5
I don't see how you only delay it a few days given how Covid works. It gives them time to retest everyone and make sure they are isolated cases. But to UMASS' point, arent there Titans players and staffers who are just testing positive now? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 3, 2020 15:23:32 GMT -5
I don't see how you only delay it a few days given how Covid works. It gives them time to retest everyone and make sure they are isolated cases. The incubation period isn't a day or two though. It's why they typically cancel the game and give them a week. |
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