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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 10, 2022 16:59:28 GMT -5
There are questions about Stories arm now for ss. Cannot imagine he'll ever be a serious 3B option (for more than a fill in here and there).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 10, 2022 17:12:55 GMT -5
There are questions about Stories arm now for ss. Cannot imagine he'll ever be a serious 3B option (for more than a fill in here and there). You're probably right. If only Story can only handle 2b then I guess he's holding until Yorke or Romero develops, if they do. I guess both can fail but I'd like to think at least one of these first round picks develop. I'm hoping neither are Cannon. Perhaps the Sox should sign either or both of X and Devers for 3b.
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Post by jimoh on Oct 10, 2022 18:04:37 GMT -5
You'd never trade Yorke now after a down year unless you find someone who really believes in him. You'd get a lot more if he's hitting .380 at the trade deadline. This may sound heretical, but I think they would move Mayer as the headliner in a package if they get full value for him
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 10, 2022 19:15:51 GMT -5
You'd never trade Yorke now after a down year unless you find someone who really believes in him. You'd get a lot more if he's hitting .380 at the trade deadline. This may sound heretical, but I think they would move Mayer as the headliner in a package if they get full value for him That would have to be one hell of a full value. He's no guarantee, but he has some early performance and all but the pedigree. Honestly, not sure I be comfortable trading for. Problem is, you want a young gut with control & some experience. And you have to give up your best prospect ++. Not sure I'm doing that with Oscar Mayer
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Post by xdmo on Oct 10, 2022 21:36:06 GMT -5
The conversations between keeping Yorke versus Mayer will be talked about for 10 plus years. Hopefully the Sox make the right call.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 12, 2022 19:37:20 GMT -5
The conversations between keeping Yorke versus Mayer will be talked about for 10 plus years. Hopefully the Sox make the right call. Huh? They don't even play the same position. I'm confused.
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 12, 2022 20:12:38 GMT -5
It’s Moncada v Devers. To get value you’ll have to trade younger guys and hope you trade the right ones
Gavin Lux v Jeter Downs
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 12, 2022 21:28:29 GMT -5
Luis Alexander Basabe vs. Luis Alejandro Basabe
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 12, 2022 22:08:06 GMT -5
It’s Moncada v Devers. To get value you’ll have to trade younger guys and hope you trade the right ones Gavin Lux v Jeter Downs Lux was never getting traded?
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Post by xdmo on Oct 12, 2022 22:47:38 GMT -5
It’s Moncada v Devers. To get value you’ll have to trade younger guys and hope you trade the right ones Gavin Lux v Jeter Downs Yes this. Chances are one of these guys are getting dealt. Picking the right one and wrong one to trade can alter your franchise for at least a half a decade.
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Post by xdmo on Oct 13, 2022 1:50:04 GMT -5
It’s Moncada v Devers. To get value you’ll have to trade younger guys and hope you trade the right ones Gavin Lux v Jeter Downs Lux was never getting traded? He could have been, but the Dodgers got caught up in his hype. They would have been better off trading him when he was the number one or two prospect in MLB. They could have gotten a really good player in return. One that's better than Lux is right now. Lux has been pretty meh, he sort of falls in that Benintendi conversation (only at second base). Maybe sometimes the answer is to trade Jeter Downs and Gavin Lux for proven talent. It's a tough gamble, but those good gambles is what separates the good GM's from the bad ones.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 13, 2022 7:52:24 GMT -5
Lux was never getting traded? He could have been, but the Dodgers got caught up in his hype. They would have been better off trading him when he was the number one or two prospect in MLB. They could have gotten a really good player in return. One that's better than Lux is right now. Lux has been pretty meh, he sort of falls in that Benintendi conversation (only at second base). Maybe sometimes the answer is to trade Jeter Downs and Gavin Lux for proven talent. It's a tough gamble, but those good gambles is what separates the good GM's from the bad ones. Lux was their Seager insurance, he wasn't being traded.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 13, 2022 8:40:02 GMT -5
That's a pretty clear false choice. They may trade one. They may trade both. They may trade neither. We may sit here in five years wishing they'd done the opposite or being glad they chose the option they did.
I just don't get the reasoning here. They're not even really in the same class like, say, Devers and Moncada were. Yorke peaked as a top 40-ish guy and saw his value fall a decent amount this year (not irreversible if he hits again next year), whereas Mayer's been top 20 since being drafted pretty much.
Braves kept both Swanson and Albies. Astros kept both Correa and Altuve. Etc. Etc.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 13, 2022 11:47:19 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 18, 2022 18:45:26 GMT -5
Boston second baseman Nick Yorke had a huge breakout season in 2021, the 2020 first-rounder’s pro debut, but wasn’t as good in High A this year at age 20, hitting .232/.303/.365 with a 25 percent strikeout rate. He has a greathe 11 plate appearances, this is like a low BABIP oft, simple swing that should lead to lots of line-drive contact. But all I saw from him last week was pop-ups and short flyouts, with just one base hit in 11 plate appearances and otherwise moderate to weak contact. That hit came on a 98 mph right-on-right fastball, so it’s not that he can’t hit or turn on velocity (he pulled it to left), just that he’s getting under the ball too much. He’s not going to be a power hitter, but it looked like he was trying to lift the ball too much whenever I saw him. He’s a fringy defender at second so he is going to have to hit to have value.theathletic.com/3703139/2022/10/18/mlb-prospects-arizona-fall-league/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983Considering his batting average and considering the 11 at bats Law saw, this seems like just a case of bad timing for Yorke relative to Law.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 31, 2022 13:30:05 GMT -5
At what point does his extended AFL absence become a concern? Can't find anything on Twitter about why he's been MIA for over a week, and given his injury history, it's definitely a red flag.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 6, 2022 18:27:07 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Nov 14, 2022 17:15:38 GMT -5
I listened to a recent "Rates and Barrels" podcast with Eno Saris and Darren Van Riper. Eno was back from a trip to AFL and said got a good look at Yorke. His impression was Yorke was selling out his hit tool to try to get more access to power. Specifically he said something along the lines of "power occurs out in front of the plate whereas guys with a superior hit tool let the ball travel more into the plate. Unfortunately, out in front of the plate is where most Ks occur."
I don't know if the org has asked him to do this or he's doing it on his own, but it's something I strongly disagree with. Not everyone can become a 20+ HR guy, at least not without severely compromising other plate skills. If this is an organizational emphasis, it needs to stop. If Yorke is doing it on his own, they need to correct it.
His carrying tool is his hit tool. To diminish that is basically to slow or even end his path to the majors. Let him do what he does best, hit singles and doubles and get on base. If power comes, so be it. But if anyone thinks he's better served being a 3 true outcome player, they're relegating him to a minor league career a best, and a short minor league career at worst, in my humble opinion, of course.
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Post by ramireja on Nov 14, 2022 17:23:45 GMT -5
I listened to a recent "Rates and Barrels" podcast with Eno Saris and Darren Van Riper. Eno was back from a trip to AFL and said got a good look at Yorke. His impression was Yorke was selling out his hit tool to try to get more access to power. Specifically he said something along the lines of "power occurs out in front of the plate whereas guys with a superior hit tool let the ball travel more into the plate. Unfortunately, out in front of the plate is where most Ks occur." I don't know if the org has asked him to do this or he's doing it on his own, but it's something I strongly disagree with. Not everyone can become a 20+ HR guy, at least not without severely compromising other plate skills. If this is an organizational emphasis, it needs to stop. If Yorke is doing it on his own, they need to correct it. His carrying tool is his hit tool. To diminish that is basically to slow or even end his path to the majors. Let him do what he does best, hit singles and doubles and get on base. If power comes, so be it. But if anyone thinks he's better served being a 3 true outcome player, they're relegating him to a minor league career a best, and a short minor league career at worst, in my humble opinion, of course. I'm not necessarily doubting Eno's specific looks, but Yorke's performance across the entire AFL season demonstrated high BA, high OBP, lots of doubles and not a ton of Ks. His line is basically exactly what we'd hope for (and what you're suggesting he become in your post) in a better case scenario.
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Post by patford on Nov 14, 2022 18:40:09 GMT -5
I listened to a recent "Rates and Barrels" podcast with Eno Saris and Darren Van Riper. Eno was back from a trip to AFL and said got a good look at Yorke. His impression was Yorke was selling out his hit tool to try to get more access to power. Specifically he said something along the lines of "power occurs out in front of the plate whereas guys with a superior hit tool let the ball travel more into the plate. Unfortunately, out in front of the plate is where most Ks occur." I don't know if the org has asked him to do this or he's doing it on his own, but it's something I strongly disagree with. Not everyone can become a 20+ HR guy, at least not without severely compromising other plate skills. If this is an organizational emphasis, it needs to stop. If Yorke is doing it on his own, they need to correct it. His carrying tool is his hit tool. To diminish that is basically to slow or even end his path to the majors. Let him do what he does best, hit singles and doubles and get on base. If power comes, so be it. But if anyone thinks he's better served being a 3 true outcome player, they're relegating him to a minor league career a best, and a short minor league career at worst, in my humble opinion, of course. I'm not necessarily doubting Eno's specific looks, but Yorke's performance across the entire AFL season demonstrated high BA, high OBP, lots of doubles and not a ton of Ks. His line is basically exactly what we'd hope for (and what you're suggesting he become in your post) in a better case scenario. With Yorke I think there is a very strong likelihood his struggles were the result of nagging injuries. As with many things time will tell.
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Post by cdj on Nov 14, 2022 21:56:15 GMT -5
I listened to a recent "Rates and Barrels" podcast with Eno Saris and Darren Van Riper. Eno was back from a trip to AFL and said got a good look at Yorke. His impression was Yorke was selling out his hit tool to try to get more access to power. Specifically he said something along the lines of "power occurs out in front of the plate whereas guys with a superior hit tool let the ball travel more into the plate. Unfortunately, out in front of the plate is where most Ks occur." I don't know if the org has asked him to do this or he's doing it on his own, but it's something I strongly disagree with. Not everyone can become a 20+ HR guy, at least not without severely compromising other plate skills. If this is an organizational emphasis, it needs to stop. If Yorke is doing it on his own, they need to correct it. His carrying tool is his hit tool. To diminish that is basically to slow or even end his path to the majors. Let him do what he does best, hit singles and doubles and get on base. If power comes, so be it. But if anyone thinks he's better served being a 3 true outcome player, they're relegating him to a minor league career a best, and a short minor league career at worst, in my humble opinion, of course. Numbers in the afl certainly don’t show that
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 14, 2022 22:28:00 GMT -5
I'm not necessarily doubting Eno's specific looks, but Yorke's performance across the entire AFL season demonstrated high BA, high OBP, lots of doubles and not a ton of Ks. His line is basically exactly what we'd hope for (and what you're suggesting he become in your post) in a better case scenario. With Yorke I think there is a very strong likelihood his struggles were the result of nagging injuries. As with many things time will tell. From a post 2 months ago, 'I found this quote from a Yorke article reassuring that injuries are at the cause of his hitting woes this year. "When at his peak, Yorke’s hitting upside is tantalizing. He became just the ninth teenager in the past 20 years to slash better than .300/.400/.500 at the Minor League level when he did so between Salem and Greenville in 2021. Joining him on that list? Trout, whose numbers at Double-A Arkansas in ‘11 (.326/.414/.544) are mesmerizingly similar to Yorke’s (.325/.412/.516)." I think the comp is a stretch considering one is AA and the other is A ball but when you become just the ninth player to do what you did in 20 years. Then follow that season up with several injuries and less than stellar numbers, then go to AFL and finish in the top 10 in OPS it's more than safe to say injuries the past year were at the root of his problems. Regardless of what happens going forward at this time this shouldn't even be a debate anymore.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 16, 2022 13:53:32 GMT -5
Both of the following can be true
1) Yorke was hampered by injuries in 2022 that significantly contributed to his performance.
2) There are things to be concerned about aside from the injuries that should adjust his projection from where it was last year.
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Post by cdj on Nov 16, 2022 14:03:08 GMT -5
Thought it was interesting Speier ranked Romero higher than Yorke. Not saying it’s wrong or right- just interesting
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Post by bosox904 on Nov 16, 2022 17:03:38 GMT -5
The MLB Pipeline podcast talked a little about him as he was on their all AFL team and it was mentioned he looked less athletic than last season. I'm guessing there's concern he's going to have to play a corner OF spot.
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