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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 21, 2023 10:12:39 GMT -5
Why did Yorke change his swing mechanics to begin with?
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Post by huskies15 on Jul 21, 2023 10:53:55 GMT -5
Why did Yorke change his swing mechanics to begin with? Probably a result of the struggles last year and maybe a result of injury too. Tried to find something he felt confident and comfortable with.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 23, 2023 13:29:53 GMT -5
I don’t know if some of you have noticed it but Yorke is back to a more conventional batting mechanics: BeforeAfterI can’t tell since when he got back to his old pre-pitch stance, but his results for the month of August are excellent to say the least: Strikeout Rate: 18.6% Isolated Power: .210 If you’re a AVG/OBP/SLG guy, it’s a .323/.400/.532 line.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 23, 2023 14:04:30 GMT -5
I don’t know if some of you have noticed it but Yorke is back to a more conventional batting mechanics: BeforeAfterI can’t tell since when he got back to his old pre-pitch stance, but his results for the month of August are excellent to say the least: Strikeout Rate: 18.6% Isolated Power: .210 If you’re a AVG/OBP/SLG guy, it’s a .323/.400/.532 line. good, that new stance looked ridiculous and he had to have so much movement to rush into the hitting position.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 23, 2023 15:21:59 GMT -5
He was still using the new setup in Bowie at the beginning of the month.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 23, 2023 17:17:43 GMT -5
He was still using the new setup in Bowie at the beginning of the month. Assume you mean the old new, the new old?
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Post by chr31ter on Aug 30, 2023 9:19:46 GMT -5
Nick Yorke's last 30 days: .315/.392/.539/.932
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 30, 2023 10:15:40 GMT -5
Yorke's an interesting guy to follow. He's been rather up and down this year. His OPS by Month: April .967 May .853 June .705 July .617 Aug .946
He's going to have to find more consistency with the bat since his glove isn't going to be enough to leave him in the lineup when he's having two month stretches like June and July but then you don't want to take him out of the lineup if he's going to be on fire like April and Aug and to a lesser extent May. I think he's got a ML future but we'll see.
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Post by terriblehondo on Sept 7, 2023 11:25:16 GMT -5
So did something change with Yorke's defense this year? I read something that said AA managers had him as the best defensive 2nd baseman.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 7, 2023 12:41:00 GMT -5
So did something change with Yorke's defense this year? I read something that said AA managers had him as the best defensive 2nd baseman. He might be doing OK, but the vote is by a few managers who do not see anyone too many times, and he's being compared to other 2b at a time when the good defensive 2b are also playing a lot of short, and others are changing leagues mid-season. Not a very significant honor. It's like when Bill Lee talked about his first wife being "Miss Alaska": "What was the competition?"
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Post by cdj on Sept 7, 2023 13:07:06 GMT -5
Yeah I’d imagine the defense is more solid than plus. I think the main takeaway from the opposing managers voting for him is that he’s not a bad defender over there
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 7, 2023 13:30:06 GMT -5
If he's a solid defender, hits 15-20 home runs a few times, and carries an OPS around .800, I'm in.
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Post by cdj on Sept 7, 2023 13:32:49 GMT -5
Shoot, sign me up even at .750
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 7, 2023 14:07:46 GMT -5
If he's a solid defender, hits 15-20 home runs a few times, and carries an OPS around .800, I'm in. Especially as a RHH. If you look at the Sox's offensive core for the next few years, it looks to be Devers/Casas/Yoshida/possibly Duran/Verdugo, unless he gets traded. Who are the position prospects that look most promising and closest to the majors right now? Mayer/Anthony/Teel. What do they all have in common? They are all LHH. It's too much. One of the organization's top priorities the next few years is going to have to be to sort out this LH overload. That may be the #1 reason why Rafaela and Yorke are so important. They can fill out part of the RH part of the lineup, if they can stick. But the team will still need at least one RH bopper, which I don't think either of them qualifies for. Turner and Duval have served essentially as 1 1/3 boppers this season, which is OK for what it is, but Turner figures to be reaching the end of the line, and Duval is ..... Duval, and he's no spring chicken either.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 7, 2023 12:02:26 GMT -5
Performance by month can be hugely misleading. Yorke had a .995 OPS in the first 10 days of June and a .549 the rest of the way, so at no point in the season was he ever a .705 hitter.
His season breaks down easily into four discrete stretches, and gives a very convincing picture of how good he is when he's not awful. .303 / .408 / .511 (223 PA) to June 10
.218 / .244 / .339 (131) June 11 to July 30
.325 / .404 / .538 (93) August 1 to 29
.173 / .271 / .321 (59) August 30 to Sept. 17
This is not really "feast or famine" -- it's closer to "gourmet meals served by movie stars, or famine." Yorke had 2 PA against pitchers younger than he was. To put up .309 / .407 / .519 in 326 PA in AA at his age is terrific, and in terms of upside pretty much supports the take on him after his first year, when he was ranked #31 (BA) to 55 (MLB).
The catch of course is that when you lose your mechanics, as all hitters do, you have to learn how to get them back in 2 weeks, not 9. That seems to be the one thing he needs to learn, and it will make the difference between being an All-Star caliber hitter and just another guy.
(Obviously, getting the slumps down to 3 or even 4 weeks would be a big help.)
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Post by incandenza on Oct 7, 2023 12:25:21 GMT -5
I'm reminded of something Ian said on the podcast once: to paraphrase it (not too inaccurately I hope), that his swing mechanics were such that his timing had to be really perfect, and if it isn't it's easy for him to fall out of the zone when his swing is really working. That fits pretty well with the story these stats tell.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 7, 2023 14:30:58 GMT -5
Performance by month can be hugely misleading. Yorke had a .995 OPS in the first 10 days of June and a .549 the rest of the way, so at no point in the season was he ever a .705 hitter.
His season breaks down easily into four discrete stretches, and gives a very convincing picture of how good he is when he's not awful. .303 / .408 / .511 (223 PA) to June 10
.218 / .244 / .339 (131) June 11 to July 30
.325 / .404 / .538 (93) August 1 to 29
.173 / .271 / .321 (59) August 30 to Sept. 17
This is not really "feast or famine" -- it's closer to "gourmet meals served by movie stars, or famine." Yorke had 2 PA against pitchers younger than he was. To put up .309 / .407 / .519 in 326 PA in AA at his age is terrific, and in terms of upside pretty much supports the take on him after his first year, when he was ranked #31 (BA) to 55 (MLB).
The catch of course is that when you lose your mechanics, as all hitters do, you have to learn how to get them back in 2 weeks, not 9. That seems to be the one thing he needs to learn, and it will make the difference between being an All-Star caliber hitter and just another guy.
(Obviously, getting the slumps down to 3 or even 4 weeks would be a big help.)
I think this (bold) is underplayed. He probably won't start facing pitchers his own age until he's in the big leagues. In AA he's faced pitchers who aren't just throwers and next season in AAA (age 22 season) he'll start to face up-and-down and rehabbing big leaguers.
In the meantime, he'll be exposed to better and better coaches as he climbs the ladder and should click with at least one of them who teaches him how to get his swing back quickly whenever he loses it.
His rise isn't as meteoric as those of Bogie, Raffy, or Betts (btw, happy 31st birthday) but those guys are nine-figure superstars. If Yorke only becomes an 8-figure star and not a superstar, I'll be good with that.
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Post by manfred on Oct 7, 2023 22:02:09 GMT -5
Performance by month can be hugely misleading. Yorke had a .995 OPS in the first 10 days of June and a .549 the rest of the way, so at no point in the season was he ever a .705 hitter.
His season breaks down easily into four discrete stretches, and gives a very convincing picture of how good he is when he's not awful. .303 / .408 / .511 (223 PA) to June 10
.218 / .244 / .339 (131) June 11 to July 30
.325 / .404 / .538 (93) August 1 to 29
.173 / .271 / .321 (59) August 30 to Sept. 17
This is not really "feast or famine" -- it's closer to "gourmet meals served by movie stars, or famine." Yorke had 2 PA against pitchers younger than he was. To put up .309 / .407 / .519 in 326 PA in AA at his age is terrific, and in terms of upside pretty much supports the take on him after his first year, when he was ranked #31 (BA) to 55 (MLB).
The catch of course is that when you lose your mechanics, as all hitters do, you have to learn how to get them back in 2 weeks, not 9. That seems to be the one thing he needs to learn, and it will make the difference between being an All-Star caliber hitter and just another guy.
(Obviously, getting the slumps down to 3 or even 4 weeks would be a big help.)
I think this (bold) is underplayed. He probably won't start facing pitchers his own age until he's in the big leagues. In AA he's faced pitchers who aren't just throwers and next season in AAA (age 22 season) he'll start to face up-and-down and rehabbing big leaguers.
In the meantime, he'll be exposed to better and better coaches as he climbs the ladder and should click with at least one of them who teaches him how to get his swing back quickly whenever he loses it.
His rise isn't as meteoric as those of Bogie, Raffy, or Betts (btw, happy 31st birthday) but those guys are nine-figure superstars. If Yorke only becomes an 8-figure star and not a superstar, I'll be good with that.
I’ll take major league utility player first. Walk, then jog… then if really lucky, run.
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Post by radiohix on Nov 1, 2023 9:05:43 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 1, 2023 9:16:53 GMT -5
Didn't the league managers also say that? I know I know grain of salt, but are there any other recent reports we have here? Has anyone from the site seen him recently? If he's a great defensive second baseman (or even just a good one) that significantly changes his profile/outlook.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 1, 2023 9:20:34 GMT -5
Didn't the league managers also say that? I know I know grain of salt, but are there any other recent reports we have here? Has anyone from the site seen him recently? If he's a great defensive second baseman (or even just a good one) that significantly changes his profile/outlook. To be honest, even just average defensively probably changes his outlook quite a bit. I was always of the impression he was likely to be slightly below average defensively to the point that his bat would have to be good for him to be a starting caliber 2nd baseman. If he's even average defensively then that takes some pressure off his bat so that it could even be average and he would probably provide solid value, certainly in his cheap years anyway. Obviously we'd love to have more than just average/average at the 2nd base position but to me it wouldn't be a bad outcome either.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 1, 2023 9:25:23 GMT -5
Page 27 of this thread and I'm totally confused as to whether Yorke's defense is good or bad.
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Post by badfishnbc on Nov 1, 2023 11:16:26 GMT -5
Didn't the league managers also say that? I know I know grain of salt, but are there any other recent reports we have here? Has anyone from the site seen him recently? If he's a great defensive second baseman (or even just a good one) that significantly changes his profile/outlook. Yeah, in BA’s end-of-year poll. Discusses in a different thread on Sept. 5.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Nov 1, 2023 19:20:16 GMT -5
Page 27 of this thread and I'm totally confused as to whether Yorke's defense is good or bad. Yes it is.
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Post by keninten on Nov 1, 2023 21:07:36 GMT -5
Page 27 of this thread and I'm totally confused as to whether Yorke's defense is good or bad. Yes it is. Nominated for post of the year.
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