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2021 Manager Search (Cora Returns)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 12, 2020 12:06:06 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 12, 2020 12:22:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't be pissed if the Sox hired Renteria and had him bring Don Cooper as well. Clearly the #1 choice should be Cora. I'd also be interested in the team hiring Ozzie Guillen as an outside the box hire.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 12, 2020 12:23:59 GMT -5
Not wanting them to hire Cora is obviously fine, but this is just silly. Ya bcs after Houston fired their manager everything was peachy. Not one of their guys got beamed. Thinking it will not happen is silly or delusional. I think Joe Kelly made his opinion clear. If players agree with his view, they blame the individual players, not Cora and Hinch. Their anger is most likely going to be directed at the players, not a manager of the team, so I doubt that Cora's team will be marked. The players know that Cora and Hinch fell on the sword and that no players got punished. MLB might see that as justice or know they wouldn't get info without players getting immunity, but the players blame the Astros for their blatantly cheating ways. And it is beaned, not beamed, isn't it?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 12, 2020 12:25:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't be pissed if the Sox hired Renteria and had him bring Don Cooper as well. Clearly the #1 choice should be Cora. I'd also be interested in the team hiring Ozzie Guillen as an outside the box hire. Ozzie doesn't strike me as a modern sabermetrically inclined guy. Not sure how that would go over.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 12, 2020 12:25:15 GMT -5
From way out in space. Is there a chance Bloom would have the balls to ask Tampa for access to Kevin Cash. His familiarity with him has to be worth something. We know it would entail draft pick compensation, but that might not be a deal killer and Tampa may even want that in return. I wouldn't rule it out. Tampa is a really enjoyable team to watch. Everyone eventually leaves. Pinella, Maddon, Friedman, Bloom, etc... but yet they keep winning. Hope they find a real home soon.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 12, 2020 12:26:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't be pissed if the Sox hired Renteria and had him bring Don Cooper as well. Clearly the #1 choice should be Cora. I'd also be interested in the team hiring Ozzie Guillen as an outside the box hire. Ozzie doesn't strike me as a sabermetrically inclined guy. Not sure how that would go over. He's certainly more of a boots to asses kind of manager. But he'd bring a different kind of approach to the team that's for sure.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 12, 2020 12:33:14 GMT -5
I read the article and I'm confused here. How does retaining the staff except for Narron and Bjournson indicate that Cora is likely coming back? Didn't Bjournson come with Cora to Boston? They were both with Houston the year prior. I think he's one of Cora's guys. While the Tigers could certainly be a good fit - they could have the pieces to blossom sooner or later - I do believe that Mize and some others could blossom and turn that team around, the White Sox are already there and haven't scratched the surface of what they're capable of. Cora were put a great fit with the White Sox, so it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him with the White Sox. I'd have to think he'd love that job. I just hope Bloom wants him to come back, because if he does, then I think Cora would, because I do think his heart is in Boston, but...the ball is in Bloom's court come 10/31. He better hurry though if he wants him back, because if he doesn't, I could easily see the ChiSox swooping in (or whoever else) and quickly hiring Cora. Bloom can't drag out the process if he really wants Cora back. I suspect we will see a process and Cora going elsewhere and it'll be because Bloom really wanted to go with his own guy and start totally fresh.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 12, 2020 12:37:27 GMT -5
Ozzie doesn't strike me as a sabermetrically inclined guy. Not sure how that would go over. He's certainly more of a boots to asses kind of manager. But he'd bring a different kind of approach to the team that's for sure. I don't think Sox ownership wants a manager mixing it up with the media, engaging in media wars, or eclipsing the team with his personality. I think they want a partner that will marry the analytics with the scouting and get buy-in from his players the way Cora did. Without the baggage, I think they'd be all over Cora. I just don't think it happens now. We'll know soon enough. I can't imagine that the first week of November goes by without Cora landing a job.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 12, 2020 13:09:41 GMT -5
I read the article and I'm confused here. How does retaining the staff except for Narron and Bjournson indicate that Cora is likely coming back? Didn't Bjournson come with Cora to Boston? They were both with Houston the year prior. I think he's one of Cora's guys. While the Tigers could certainly be a good fit - they could have the pieces to blossom sooner or later - I do believe that Mize and some others could blossom and turn that team around, the White Sox are already there and haven't scratched the surface of what they're capable of. Cora were put a great fit with the White Sox, so it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him with the White Sox. I'd have to think he'd love that job. I just hope Bloom wants him to come back, because if he does, then I think Cora would, because I do think his heart is in Boston, but...the ball is in Bloom's court come 10/31. He better hurry though if he wants him back, because if he doesn't, I could easily see the ChiSox swooping in (or whoever else) and quickly hiring Cora. Bloom can't drag out the process if he really wants Cora back. I suspect we will see a process and Cora going elsewhere and it'll be because Bloom really wanted to go with his own guy and start totally fresh. I think the idea is that they wouldn't have invited that many coaches to return on a coaching staff that Cora had helped put together if they were planning to hire someone new, and that of the two coaches let go, one was the only one Cora had nothing to do with. But that's a fair point on Bjornson though, and my guess is that this has to do more with dates on contracts than Cora ghost-running things behind the scenes, or this being set up as a soft landing spot for Cora. The bench coach position, which is probably the one that's going to matter most to the new manager, is of course, now open.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 12, 2020 15:38:31 GMT -5
I read the article and I'm confused here. How does retaining the staff except for Narron and Bjournson indicate that Cora is likely coming back? Didn't Bjournson come with Cora to Boston? They were both with Houston the year prior. I think he's one of Cora's guys. While the Tigers could certainly be a good fit - they could have the pieces to blossom sooner or later - I do believe that Mize and some others could blossom and turn that team around, the White Sox are already there and haven't scratched the surface of what they're capable of. Cora were put a great fit with the White Sox, so it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him with the White Sox. I'd have to think he'd love that job. I just hope Bloom wants him to come back, because if he does, then I think Cora would, because I do think his heart is in Boston, but...the ball is in Bloom's court come 10/31. He better hurry though if he wants him back, because if he doesn't, I could easily see the ChiSox swooping in (or whoever else) and quickly hiring Cora. Bloom can't drag out the process if he really wants Cora back. I suspect we will see a process and Cora going elsewhere and it'll be because Bloom really wanted to go with his own guy and start totally fresh. I think the idea is that they wouldn't have invited that many coaches to return on a coaching staff that Cora had helped put together if they were planning to hire someone new, and that of the two coaches let go, one was the only one Cora had nothing to do with. But that's a fair point on Bjornson though, and my guess is that this has to do more with dates on contracts than Cora ghost-running things behind the scenes, or this being set up as a soft landing spot for Cora. The bench coach position, which is probably the one that's going to matter most to the new manager, is of course, now open. Yup
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 12, 2020 16:11:44 GMT -5
I read an article saying that the White Sox were interested in bringing back Tony LaRussa (of all people) to manage the ChiSox in 2021, that he would be the choice of Reinsdorf.
It said that Hinch was high atop the list but that (I'm paraphrasing here) Cora wasn't, which got me kind of excited.
Then....I saw the article was by Bob Nightengale who is never right about anything......so never mind.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 12, 2020 16:31:09 GMT -5
I read an article saying that the White Sox were interested in bringing back Tony LaRussa (of all people) to manage the ChiSox in 2021, that he would be the choice of Reinsdorf. It said that Hinch was high atop the list but that (I'm paraphrasing here) Cora wasn't, which got me kind of excited. Then....I saw the article was by Bob Nightengale who is never right about anything......so never mind. I stopped at the tweet but had a similar stream of thoughts.
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Post by unitspin on Oct 12, 2020 18:24:15 GMT -5
Ya bcs after Houston fired their manager everything was peachy. Not one of their guys got beamed. Thinking it will not happen is silly or delusional. I think Joe Kelly made his opinion clear. If players agree with his view, they blame the individual players, not Cora and Hinch. Their anger is most likely going to be directed at the players, not a manager of the team, so I doubt that Cora's team will be marked. The players know that Cora and Hinch fell on the sword and that no players got punished. MLB might see that as justice or know they wouldn't get info without players getting immunity, but the players blame the Astros for their blatantly cheating ways. And it is beaned, not beamed, isn't it? Ive always said beamed and most that I know. Where you from? Not going to argue lingo with someone who doesn't even live in the area. As for cora coming back I have made my point on the matter I think it is a stupid move we wasnt anything special imo. There are alot of good candidates that deserve a chance at the gig.
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Post by mobaz on Oct 12, 2020 18:28:35 GMT -5
I read an article saying that the White Sox were interested in bringing back Tony LaRussa (of all people) to manage the ChiSox in 2021, that he would be the choice of Reinsdorf. It said that Hinch was high atop the list but that (I'm paraphrasing here) Cora wasn't, which got me kind of excited. Then....I saw the article was by Bob Nightengale who is never right about anything......so never mind. I stopped at the tweet but had a similar stream of thoughts. Oh, lord, that means Cora is definitely going to the Pale Hose.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 12, 2020 18:49:46 GMT -5
I think Joe Kelly made his opinion clear. If players agree with his view, they blame the individual players, not Cora and Hinch. Their anger is most likely going to be directed at the players, not a manager of the team, so I doubt that Cora's team will be marked. The players know that Cora and Hinch fell on the sword and that no players got punished. MLB might see that as justice or know they wouldn't get info without players getting immunity, but the players blame the Astros for their blatantly cheating ways. And it is beaned, not beamed, isn't it? Ive always said beamed and most that I know. Where you from? Not going to argue lingo with someone who doesn't even live in the area. As for cora coming back I have made my point on the matter I think it is a stupid move we wasnt anything special imo. There are alot of good candidates that deserve a chance at the gig. I've heard beamed before but it's rather uncommon in baseball in the US. After reading your post I did a little research and it turns out that 'beamed' is a term used to refer to a cricket player who throws above the waste similar to the the way 'beaned' is used to describe a baseball pitcher who throws at a player's head. Both terms seem to be used in similar ways, and loosely at times. 'bean' is a reference for a 'head' and there are some who believe that 'beam' is short for 'laser beam' - but that seems to be mostly speculation. Beam is commonly used in Europe, and other places where cricket is popular, to describe similar plays in other sports (soccer/football being the most common it seems).
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 12, 2020 19:08:13 GMT -5
Gammons just tweeted his expectation that Cora will be back:
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 12, 2020 20:49:43 GMT -5
In regards to the White Sox job opening and Cora, the buzz seems to be that Hinch is the White Sox preferred choice. There's also this from a guy who played under Hinch:
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 13, 2020 0:41:06 GMT -5
I think Joe Kelly made his opinion clear. If players agree with his view, they blame the individual players, not Cora and Hinch. Their anger is most likely going to be directed at the players, not a manager of the team, so I doubt that Cora's team will be marked. The players know that Cora and Hinch fell on the sword and that no players got punished. MLB might see that as justice or know they wouldn't get info without players getting immunity, but the players blame the Astros for their blatantly cheating ways. And it is beaned, not beamed, isn't it? Ive always said beamed and most that I know. Where you from? Not going to argue lingo with someone who doesn't even live in the area. As for cora coming back I have made my point on the matter I think it is a stupid move we wasnt anything special imo. There are alot of good candidates that deserve a chance at the gig. Looks like WCSox did a good job of explaining the "beaned"/"beamed" thing. I disagree re: Cora not being anything special. I'm not going to tell you he's perfect (besides the banging the trash can stuff). I didn't think he was particularly anything special in 2019. The team didn't seem overly prepared when the season started, tried to play catch up and never really did. That was Cora at his worst, as far as I can tell, but I also think he is somebody with the capacity from learning from his mistakes, which he is quick to admit - his leaving E-Rod in to face Puig in Game 4 of the WS comes quickly to mind. That said, I don't know if I ever seen anybody do as great a job with the team that Cora did in 2018. Yes, everything that could have gone right went right, but jeez, looking over that roster, from day-to-day there was little offense from the bottom of the lineup - Devers wasn't Devers and his defense was like it was this year. Nunez was a butcher at 2b. JBJ didn't hit the first half. None of their catchers hit. The rotation was good, but not great. The lack of middle relief was scary during the season - almost as scary as Kimbrel was in the post-season - and yet despite all of those issues, the Sox seemed to be only truly great at just one thing - winning. That team as constructed had no business winning 119 games. Cora HAD to have something to do with that. It seemed apparent to me that he lit a fire under that team. He connected with the players who seemed invested in every single stinking game they played in. That's huge. Mix in that he was not some old fashioned manager, but yet, he was also not a guy who was the puppet of the GM. He could be relied on to make analytical moves that could be based on the stats or what his eyes saw at that moment. He had the players buying in to the analytics - the image of Mookie catching Joe Mauer's liner in a spot Mookie would never have thought to defense him and then taking out the defensive card and waving it in tribute comes quickly to mind. There's no way he didn't impact that team. I don't think you can do everything as perfectly as Cora did in 2018, but at the same time I think he's better than what he showed in 2019. So if you take the median of those two seasons, you get one helluva great manager. I bet you if Cora gets with Devers, you're going to see Devers suddenly improve on defense again for example. Cora could do a lot of good for this team if he were to return. What Gammons wrote makes me a bit hopeful, but what Nightingale wrote makes me think (just go by the opposite of what he says) that Cora to the White Sox is a reasonably strong possibliity. You figure between the Red Sox, White Sox, and Tigers, two of those 3 managers hired will most likely be Hinch and Cora, and those will probably be really quick hires. My guess is Bloom already knows if he wants to proceed without Cora or bring him back. If he proceeds slowly, then he really doesn't want Cora back. If he's quick - like on Nov 1st, he could interview Cora and hire him on the spot. We'll find that out long before we find out who wins the election.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 13, 2020 2:24:10 GMT -5
Ya bcs after Houston fired their manager everything was peachy. Not one of their guys got beamed. Thinking it will not happen is silly or delusional. I think Joe Kelly made his opinion clear. If players agree with his view, they blame the individual players, not Cora and Hinch. Their anger is most likely going to be directed at the players, not a manager of the team, so I doubt that Cora's team will be marked. The players know that Cora and Hinch fell on the sword and that no players got punished. MLB might see that as justice or know they wouldn't get info without players getting immunity, but the players blame the Astros for their blatantly cheating ways. And it is beaned, not beamed, isn't it?Bill Lee was once beamed aboard an alien spacecraft, but I can't find any other instances at b-Ref.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 13, 2020 8:13:37 GMT -5
I think Joe Kelly made his opinion clear. If players agree with his view, they blame the individual players, not Cora and Hinch. Their anger is most likely going to be directed at the players, not a manager of the team, so I doubt that Cora's team will be marked. The players know that Cora and Hinch fell on the sword and that no players got punished. MLB might see that as justice or know they wouldn't get info without players getting immunity, but the players blame the Astros for their blatantly cheating ways. And it is beaned, not beamed, isn't it?Bill Lee was once beamed aboard an alien spacecraft, but I can't find any other instances at b-Ref. Wade Boggs willed himself invisible. Does that involve a beam?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 13, 2020 9:36:00 GMT -5
Bill Lee was once beamed aboard an alien spacecraft, but I can't find any other instances at b-Ref. Wade Boggs willed himself invisible. Does that involve a beam? Jim Beam?
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Post by unitspin on Oct 13, 2020 10:26:14 GMT -5
Ive always said beamed and most that I know. Where you from? Not going to argue lingo with someone who doesn't even live in the area. As for cora coming back I have made my point on the matter I think it is a stupid move we wasnt anything special imo. There are alot of good candidates that deserve a chance at the gig. I've heard beamed before but it's rather uncommon in baseball in the US. After reading your post I did a little research and it turns out that 'beamed' is a term used to refer to a cricket player who throws above the waste similar to the the way 'beaned' is used to describe a baseball pitcher who throws at a player's head. Both terms seem to be used in similar ways, and loosely at times. 'bean' is a reference for a 'head' and there are some who believe that 'beam' is short for 'laser beam' - but that seems to be mostly speculation. Beam is commonly used in Europe, and other places where cricket is popular, to describe similar plays in other sports (soccer/football being the most common it seems). What part of the state do you live in? It seems you skipped over that question?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 13, 2020 11:14:23 GMT -5
I've heard beamed before but it's rather uncommon in baseball in the US. After reading your post I did a little research and it turns out that 'beamed' is a term used to refer to a cricket player who throws above the waste similar to the the way 'beaned' is used to describe a baseball pitcher who throws at a player's head. Both terms seem to be used in similar ways, and loosely at times. 'bean' is a reference for a 'head' and there are some who believe that 'beam' is short for 'laser beam' - but that seems to be mostly speculation. Beam is commonly used in Europe, and other places where cricket is popular, to describe similar plays in other sports (soccer/football being the most common it seems). What part of the state do you live in? It seems you skipped over that question?
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Post by ortiz34 on Oct 13, 2020 14:54:52 GMT -5
Just to add more fuel to the fire...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 13, 2020 15:08:30 GMT -5
Just to add more fuel to the fire... Is the idea that Duran is playing with Caguas so that Caguas manager Alex Cora can get a much better look at his so he can evaluate him as manager of the 2021 Red Sox? Is that the stream of thought?
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